Smokers say electronic cigarettes are helping them smoke less

[ezmoose]

Smokers say electronic cigarettes are helping them smoke less | GoUpstate.com

A somewhat balanced article; seems the rhetoric prompted by the FDA News Release is calming down a bit and reason is displacing drama. But, that may just be wishful thinking on my part? lol

 

[BiffRocko]

Franco said the best ways to quit smoking involve using pharmacological products, such as patches, and counseling, such as that offered in smoking cessation classes.

I call bull.....! I didn't even try to quit when I got my PV. It just happened.

I've tried the patch several times, the gum, cold turkey, chantix, and hypnosis twice. Hypnosis gave me the best results, but that still only lasted for 2.5 years and I always felt like I was missing something. I would absolutely recommend a PV over hypnosis or any other method.

This coming from someone who is a certified hypnotherapist trained in smoking cessation.

 

[Slickstick]

I had no intention of ever quitting either, it just happened. Easily. Without trying.

 

[clyde2801]

Ditto. I keep reading posts by new people that are forcing the process, and I think that's counterproductive.

I use the same technique when I want a cigarette as I do with my kids wanting soft drinks; they can have them, but have to drink a glass of water first. Most of the time, after the water they don't want the soda.

 

[KPKicker]

Franco said the best ways to quit smoking involve using pharmacological products, such as patches, and counseling, such as that offered in smoking cessation classes.

What a load of crap.

Their efficacy rate is what? 6.75% for a duration of 6 months according to one study done by the University of Birmingham. Oh yeah, real effective....NOT!

Why is it so hard for some people to accept that the NRT's aren't cutting it? If inhaling a PG-based vapor is bad for you then why are nebulizers still used to treat asthmatics? It seems to me that same method for delivering a beneficial substance into the human body could be used for other things, like oh I don't know, nicotine? Especially when that very method is an almost perfect duplicate of the smoking experience.

What is with these people? I just don't get it.

 

[kristin]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a modern nebulizer that contains PG, though? All I've ever been able to find is one eHow article mentioning PG being in asthma inhalers/nebulizers, but I can't find any that actually do - only references to PG being in inhalers/nebulizers back in the 50's.

A different argument is that we were already inhaling PG, nicotine and flavoring when we were smoking tobacco cigarettes. Now we are inhaling it without the 3,997 other chemicals.

 

[YKruss]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a modern nebulizer that contains PG, though?

Kristin, it's a long shot but try this article about Cyclosporine http://www.bing.com/reference/semht...vt=cyclosporine&src=abop&fwd=1&q=cyclosporine

Inhaled ciclosporin formulations are in clinical development, and include a solution in propylene glycol and liposome dispersions.

 

[kristin]

Kristin, it's a long shot but try this article about Cyclosporine http://www.bing.com/reference/semht...vt=cyclosporine&src=abop&fwd=1&q=cyclosporine

Unfortunately, that product is "in development" yet, so it doesn't support our claims of "long-term use in asthma inhalers and nebulizers."

 

[Drozd]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a modern nebulizer that contains PG, though? All I've ever been able to find is one eHow article mentioning PG being in asthma inhalers/nebulizers, but I can't find any that actually do - only references to PG being in inhalers/nebulizers back in the 50's.

A different argument is that we were already inhaling PG, nicotine and flavoring when we were smoking tobacco cigarettes. Now we are inhaling it without the 3,997 other chemicals.

I don't use an inhaler to know all the brands and check their ingredients list...

you can find a bunch of stuff on patents for inhalers with PG in them and other references particularly MDI (metered dose inhalers)

here's some of the stuff I found on a quick search:
Basic clinical lab competencies for ... - Google Books (page 245)

Ayr Herbal Inhaler - 1ea

Patent 7,740,463 (under detailed description of the invention)

 

[Kate51]

I call bull.....! I didn't even try to quit when I got my PV. It just happened.

I've tried the patch several times, the gum, cold turkey, chantix, and hypnosis twice. Hypnosis gave me the best results, but that still only lasted for 2.5 years and I always felt like I was missing something. I would absolutely recommend a PV over hypnosis or any other method.

This coming from someone who is a certified hypnotherapist trained in smoking cessation.

That says a BUNCH!
I tried that once myself, and it worked! The $80 for the session (was in 1973) made me so broke I couldn't afford cigarettes for a month! But, they didn't have complimentary follow-up sessions for wall climbing and uncontrollable crying jags, vicious temper, and unsatiable hunger. Otherwise, it worked just fine.
I think I may have been a little resistant. Couldn't wait to get out of there and have a cigarette. The DR's voice was irritating. I may still have that cassette somewhere.

When I got my first NPro it was my last chance. After about an hour I knew it was my perfect answer, I guess I made it so by my own mindset. Three days later I broke the news to my husband about spending $80 ~ I has smoked my last cigarette 3 days prior! Wonderful. I didn't tell him how much I spent after that.

 

[kristin]

I don't use an inhaler to know all the brands and check their ingredients list...

you can find a bunch of stuff on patents for inhalers with PG in them and other references particularly MDI (metered dose inhalers)

here's some of the stuff I found on a quick search:
Basic clinical lab competencies for ... - Google Books (page 245)

Ayr Herbal Inhaler - 1ea

Patent 7,740,463 (under detailed description of the invention)

Again, patents are future use, not proof of long-term use in the past.

An often-cited claim of PG safety by e-cig users is that PG has been long-used in inhalers and I have yet to see proof of that. I don't think it's right to make claims that aren't backed up in fact - that makes us no better than the opposition. The only claim that I can see we can make about PG/inhalers is that they were used in the past. But that then raises the question of why they don't use it now.

I'm just afraid for the day when someone calls us on it and uses it against us. Nothing would make me happier than for it to be true, though!

 

[KPKicker]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a modern nebulizer that contains PG, though? All I've ever been able to find is one eHow article mentioning PG being in asthma inhalers/nebulizers, but I can't find any that actually do - only references to PG being in inhalers/nebulizers back in the 50's.

A different argument is that we were already inhaling PG, nicotine and flavoring when we were smoking tobacco cigarettes. Now we are inhaling it without the 3,997 other chemicals.

I know I saw something somewhere just the other day. I am digging around for it, but can't find it.

However, if it's that difficult to find than maybe it's not used as much as it used to be. I remember when I first started using Ventolin inhalers and nebulizer solutions 30 years ago, PG was the main solvent.

Of course, back then, we didn't have the gov't telling us we had to suffer with an inferior delivery system in order to save a few molecules of ozone either. My point being (other than to briefly hop on a soapbox) is that there have been significant changes.

Anyway, you make a very good point. I will have a chat with our pharmacist this afternoon about this PG issue.

 

[kristin]

That would be awesome, KP! A pharmacist should be very knowledgable about what is in inhalers!

 

[nojoyet]

Again, patents are future use, not proof of long-term use in the past.

An often-cited claim of PG safety by e-cig users is that PG has been long-used in inhalers and I have yet to see proof of that. I don't think it's right to make claims that aren't backed up in fact - that makes us no better than the opposition. The only claim that I can see we can make about PG/inhalers is that they were used in the past. But that then raises the question of why they don't use it now.

I'm just afraid for the day when someone calls us on it and uses it against us. Nothing would make me happier than for it to be true, though!

I have to support Kristin here, we need to be very careful we can back up what we claim, especially regarding safety.

There is no point in repeating misinformation that could come back to bite us.

My

 

[john doe]

Again, patents are future use, not proof of long-term use in the past.

An often-cited claim of PG safety by e-cig users is that PG has been long-used in inhalers and I have yet to see proof of that. I don't think it's right to make claims that aren't backed up in fact - that makes us no better than the opposition. The only claim that I can see we can make about PG/inhalers is that they were used in the past. But that then raises the question of why they don't use it now.

I'm just afraid for the day when someone calls us on it and uses it against us. Nothing would make me happier than for it to be true, though!

Try this link http://www................/pg.html
lots of info and links to studies done with pg.
apparently can't link directly to it. if you replace the dots with vapersclub it should work

 

[classwife]

kristin, just dug out my hubby's nebulizer wrapper. No mention of PG. Also his provental hfa albuterol inhaler, no mention. fwiw sorry.

 

[malyden]

This is a little dated but does mention Propylene glycol

Propylene glycol is commonly used as a drug solubilizer in topical, oral, and injectable medications.

"Inactive" Ingredients in Pharmaceutical Products: Update (Subject Review) -- Committee on Drugs 99 (2): 268 -- Pediatrics

Here's a link of FDA Inactive Ingredient for Approved Drug Products do a search for Propylene glycol

PROPYLENE GLYCOL NASAL; SOLUTION 57556 6DC9Q167V3
PROPYLENE GLYCOL NASAL; SPRAY, METERED 57556 6DC9Q167V3 20.00%

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/iig/index.cfm

 

[rtbob]

Being a respiratory therapist who gives patients nebulizer/MDI treatments all day long I'm sorry to say that PG is no longer used and has not been used for many years.

I have been doing this for four years, in speaking with a RT with over 30 years experience she remembers PG being used at one time. She had no idea why it was stopped. My guess something just as effective, but cheaper was found as a dilution/carrier.

The current method of dilution is either sterile water or normal saline for albuterol and atrovent, the two most common inhalation medications prescribed for asthmatics/COPD'ers.

 

[jimho]

here's another source-
- never mind- was the same as above....

 

[kristin]

Being a respiratory therapist who gives patients nebulizer/MDI treatments all day long I'm sorry to say that PG is no longer used and has not been used for many years.

I have been doing this for four years, in speaking with a RT with over 30 years experience she remembers PG being used at one time. She had no idea why it was stopped. My guess something just as effective, but cheaper was found as a dilution/carrier.

The current method of dilution is either sterile water or normal saline for albuterol and atrovent, the two most common inhalation medications prescribed for asthmatics/COPD'ers.

That settles it then.

We need to refrain from citing nebulizers and inhalers as proof that long-term PG inhalation is safe.

Thanks for the info, rtbob!