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Marvin & Sennie

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Got my tank a little bit ago and I am going to make myself sick chain vaping it!! It tastes sooooo good!! No burnt flavor, just pure sweet juice!! And sooo pretty to boot!! I do have 1 issue and I am hoping you guys can help. The threads on the carto are short and the air holes are right by the threads when screwed down into my Zmax it closes off the air and I can't get a vape. For the moment I am using a thread adapter but would like an actual extension, would anyone know where I can get said extension?
 

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Just got my new tank yesterday, smok carto's 3.2 ohm single coil pre-punched. I've vaped 2 1/2 tanks and now it's starting to gurgle and be tight and act like it's flooding and it's leaking out the bottom. What's up with that? I use 50/50 Cafe Coffee. Does this mean 1 carto is only going to last me 1 day? That's awful expensive if that is the case!!
 
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Some ideas Sennie, maybe a little higher voltage will help in that it will vaporizer proportionally more liquid than what is being pulled in. Now on to the being pulled in, you can adapt your vaping style some and change the wicking of a carto with a given juice. A short hard draw will bring more liquid in proportionally to what is being atomized than long easy draws.

Each time you draw on the tank it changes the pressure inside the tank putting a vacuum on it and drawing liquid into the carto. Higher vacuum from a hard draw and more often with less atomizing time with short puffs and you can see how the balance tips towards getting wetter.

You can give the tank a short blow into a paper towel to clear it but getting things right so it doesnt happen is much better.

Being tight on the draw will also exacerbate the problem because this means pushing that vacuum up drawing hared to get the puff. It may be that the tightness is due in part to the flooding itself so its a good idea to clean everything up (paper towel time... reminds me of Hitchhikers Guide in always keeping your towel with you), clean the connector on the device and as mentioned a little blow to clear the carto but not too much or you just keep blowing juice out. A couple tenths of volts might make the difference as well as the little change in vaping style may help too with the longer slower lighter draws.

All that said the juice flavor sounds like it may be a dark juice. It does seem that they are tougher on cartos than a clear juice but even still you should be getting better mileage on a carto.
 

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OCD... I've been through 3 carto's now in as many days and every single 1 has only gotten through 2 tanks before it floods and starts leaking out the bottom. I've jumped the watts from 6 watts to 7 on my Zmax, I take slow long drags although hubs says I take short ones.... they seem long to me. I bought 3.2ohm 2 hole carto's. Do you think maybe I should have bought lower resistance? And yes I do vape dark juices. sigh...
 

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I dont think it much matters going with a lower ohm carto as you would be adjusting your watts to match the vape you are after Sennie. The 6 watts sounds like you vape pretty cool, the Mrs is the same running a 2 ohm down as low as the provari will go. She uses 100% VG with a two hole carto.

I think you are going to just have to hunt around to find the right carto for you. There are so many variables in this game and finding the perfect combination for you will take some trial and error. It is completely worth it though in my book, heck if it took a carto a day then so be it is my take but I really think you will find what you need. Have you tried punching your own? Just thinking that maybe you could do some fine tuning that way.

Now one thing, you say it starts flooding and leaking through the bottom. Do you mean a drop in the connector that gives you that gurgling or really leaking? It should not leak at all, a little wet is to be expected at times though. If it is just the gurgling then a quick blow into a paper towel may get you back on track rather than changing the carto, as long as it is not burned tasting or super stiff draw you should be able to keep using it.

One more thought, as long as it is not burning your carto and the problem is just the opposite with it getting too wet maybe try hitting the fire button a second or two before you begin to draw. Just trying to think of ways to get more juice atomizing than what is being drawn into the carto.
 

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No, I mean it gurgles and floods out the mouth piece and leaks out the bottom. in no time the connector looks like oil on a dipstick (dark juice). It does great the 1st 2 tanks then after that not so much, sometimes I even get that SLIGHTLY burnt taste. :(. I honestly wouldn't mind a carto a day if they didn't cost so darn much! Even yours which are the cheapest place I've found them at $1.50 a day for the carto's, add juice, and I'm not saving all that much over cigarettes (except my life). So I just keep thinking with all the people who vape this way that I must be doing something wrong here!!
 

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Are you tipping the device up towards the sky? Wondering how you are getting juice out the driptip because that is about the nastiest thing for me ;) I have chewed in the past and it reminded me of swallowing it which never did settle to well. I always keep the device level or lower and this may be a difference if this is the case.

The liquid in the tank is held in place in part by vacuum. Think of holding your finger over the end of a straw and lifting water up out of a cup. Let air in and the water slides out. Now with the tanks you have two ways of air getting in which are through the carto hole or through the orings. Ideally the orings will not let any air in at all and the carto hole will only let enough to maintain a balanced vacuum in the tank. This balance is a combination of the juice viscosity, vaping style (how hot or cool and type of draw) and the hole(s) in the cartomizer.
 

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OCD, thanks for your input on this matter. I see the issue of flooded cartos here on the boards quite frequently, and I try to help by providing what knowledge that I have to assist. I have to say that I rarely have had issues with flooding. I had issues with occassional burnt taste, but I pretty much solved that issue by switching from dual coil to single coil cartos, and switching from low resistance to standard resistance cartos. From trial and error, I found that I prefer the "cooler" vape.

I wonder if you can tell me about the inner structure of a carto. I know there is an air hole in the center of the polyfill. And somewhere within that polyfill is the heating coil. What I am curious about is the air hole runs the length of the carto, top to bottom. Yet how does the vapor enter into the air hole after the juice is converted by being heated by the coils in the polyfill? If the tube is not solid from top to bottom, is there an inherent weak spot that is prone to leak around the heating coils that can allow juice to escape if there is too much pressure or over-saturation? Can a hard used carto leak from this spot, if it exists? I'm just trying to figure out why this carto flooding is so common.
 
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Never took one apart myself Baditude but from what I gather from pictures I have seen the center air tube is a porous slica(?) tube that the eliquid soaks through and the coil is inside of this and the filler outside. I have heard of folks mention not punching too deep to prevent puncturing the tube.

It is trial and error though just like you said because each variable impacts the other. I would liken it to juggling but easier, I say easier because I cant juggle but I can sure put a ton of liquid through a tank ;)

I too prefer the single coil, I know there are some who swear by the duals and honestly I never had any real problems with them but a single coil low in the tank where the polyfill is wettest just seems to make more sense to me from the engineers standpoint.

You do a great job helping folks Baditude and your blog guides I am sure have cleared things up for a great many folks who come into this completely overwhelmed as I am sure you were and I know I was when we got started.
 

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Ugh... carto #4 is starting to flood and this 1 has only had 1 tankful of juice go through it. I am beyond frustrated, especially since I know that I only have 2 carto's left Its a holiday, and no shops here that I know of even if they were open sell what I need. My vivi nova is broken so I don't even have a back-up!! And I can't figure out what I am doing wrong!!! I don't take fast deep hits, I try to take slow drawls so the atomizer heats up the juice before it gets to the drip tip. I turned up the wattage and not only is it flooding, it taste burnt to boot! I think I am just vape illiterate because I just can't seem to find where I fit. I mean I smoked for over 30 years, you' d think it would be easy for me to figure out vaping!!! Now I am trying to figure out a way to re- use these carto' s but hey I've already screwed them up!!! UGH!!!!!!
 

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Thanks for your thoughts, and the props. :blush:

I still consider myself a student. This vaping is almost like its own world, it seems so vast in information and mystery. I truly enjoy helping others who are trying to quit smoking. I smoked for over 30 years and had failed several times to stop smoking. The nicotine gum and patches failed miserably. They can only attempt to replace our nicotine urges. But the added benefits of vaping is the repetition of the ingrained hand-to-mouth behavior that somehow contributes to the satisfaction of our smoking urges. The warm vapor into our mouth and lungs also contributes to a need that desires to be satisfied. I believe it takes all three factors to succeed. All things considered, stopping smoking was surprisingly easy with my first attempt at vaping because it satisfied the three "needs" that were required for me to quit.

Anyway, that became an unneccessary ramble. The point that I wanted to make is I think I can still relate to how overwhelming it can be for a new vapor. Considering myself a student of vaping, I was willing to learn and seek out information where perhaps others either don't have the commitment or time to do so. Therefore I try to present what knowlege that I have learned along the way to perhaps help make the way for others to be successsful to quit, too.

Vaping is such a breakthrough for so many smokers that have wanted to quit and did. There is a huge population of smokers who want to quit and don't even know about vaping. The more people that have success with this, the more the word will get out. I just wish Big Pharma would recognize this and get behind the movement. Don't they realize that there can be more money in PV's as a nicotine replacement method than their current, ineffective drugs?
 
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put toothpick through 1 of the holes... fingers crossed that I can make this work otherwise I just don't know!! If it does I am going to try to blow out the others and re- use them. Weird thing though... is it normal to have no flavor with only 1 hole? Because now there is none... could be my tastebuds this late at night though. Hubs said j might not be getting enough juice now because now it's harsh and I turned it back down to 6 watts. How to have a happy medium?
 
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Baditude, you are what moves this forward. You and others like you who have found the improvements in their own lives through using vaping to replace smoking keep encouraging others to give it a shot or help them to succeed when they do. I have tons of respect for every person who pays it forward in this way.

Sennie, I feel for you. Pushing the voltage up was just a thought I had that might help, apparently not. The plugging of one of the holes is a great idea though and may slow the feed down. Dont have a clue as to why that would affect flavor though but hey... I could vape straight PG and nic while I waited for supplies if I needed to so even if you dont have the flavor part you have the rest so hang tough.
 

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I think it definitely has something to do with the holes Sennie.

Im using 10/90 with 2 holes and hardly any issues.One thing Ive noticed about my juice vendor, when I ask for extra flavor he lowers the amount of VG in the blend (maybe youre running into something similar? and instead of 50/50 its more like 70/30 because of the flavor bump?)

If thats the case then it would explain the flooded cartos, and would lead me to recommend 1-hole in the future. Let us know how the toothpick works and if you have any more questions or problems.
 

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i was running the 1.5ohm Dual coils 3 holed for the longest time with hardly any issues with varying ratios of juice, worked great for bobas, and my diy at a 50/50 mix.

Sennie whenever you start experiencing the flooding/gurgling problem if you can take and blow out the carto to get the excess juice out of the airway, and take a small straightened paperclip and gently slide it through the center of the carto, dont force it or twist much because you can disturb the coils inside and cause it to short against its self making it even lower ohms than what it is. i found that with the paperclip or even a long thin sewing needle you can usually clear the airway out or straighten the "socks" back up so the draw isnt nearly as stiff.

the inside of a dual coil carto consists of the outer tubing, the filler material, 2 small "socks", an insulator, and the NR wire and resistance wire ran in parallel, a 1.5 has 2 3ohm coils in parallel meaning that if one had a 1.5ohm dcc and didnt want the lower resistance they could clip the topmost wire that you can see by looking in the top of the carto where the driptip goes and remove as much of the little bit that is left sticking up. you would then be left with 1 3ohm single coil at the bottom of the carto. same thing for the higher ohm dcc, 2ohm = 2 4ohm coils in parallel, 2.5 ohm = 2 5ohm coils and so on.


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The burnt taste you get is actually the "sock" material first and as it progresses further it burns the filler material
 
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Post above ^^^^ has some good information for you Sennie. The flooding & gurgling is happening because you have liquid in the center air channel. First, let's get that liquid cleared out & then we'll see why it's happening in the first place.

A carto without a tank can get flooded too. Solution is to blow out the excess and then vape away. It's not quite so easy when the carto is in a tank. So...turn your tank upside down so that the the liquid is not covering the carto's punched holes. Now place a tissue over the drip-tip (you didn't want to drink that excess juice, did you?:D) Still holding the tank upside down, start drawing on the driptip to pull up that excess liquid. It's important that the liquid is not covering the holes in the carto because you don't want to be pulling more juice into the carto. You may want to clean out your driptip at this point. You should be able to see light from one end of the carto to the other. If not, then repeat the process or try the paperclip/needle trick that ruff posted about above ^^^^.

Now to why this is happening. Based on what you've posted, I have to believe that somehow in your refilling process excess juice is entering your carto. I highly doubt the number of holes, the voltage, the juice, or how you're drawing is the factor here because you seem to be able to vape at least a tankful before the problems ensue.

Do you use a carto tank filling tool? It not only saves your o-rings from the rough carto edges, but also allows you to drop the carto low enough without getting juice in the carto itself. Before I used this tool, I found that I had some flooding because the punched holes in my carto were too close to the bottom seal when I added juice to the tank. I didn't want to drop the carto down too low because then the juice would enter the top of the carto. (I hope this makes sense, lol. I'm having a hard time explaining it.) I could always resolve the issue by using the method above, but it's much easier just to use the tool & not mess with it.

For the record, the juice I use is 25%-30% VG, so not very thick. I punch two holes in my cartos - mostly boge or ikenvape cartos. I understand the filler in the Smok cartos is less dense, but since I don't use them I can't comment there. However, I've discovered that it really didn't matter what size the holes were or how many there were. I've had success with one tiny hole & once I had a large gaping hole - an accident with a saddle valve punch :) - but it still worked without flooding. The only time I've had significant flooding that couldn't be solved was when I punched too deep & compromised the inner carto.

And a final word...if your carto is tasting harsh/burned then it's probably toast. Before tossing it, you might want to get a tweezers or needle nose pliers & pull out the innards. It will give you an education. Also, heavier/dark juices are not so kind to cartos. They will clog things up & the draw will get harder (but it will not cause flooding). However, if you've burned the inside of the carto it quite likely will flood.

Hope that helps. Let me know if it works.
 

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i was running the 1.5ohm Dual coils 3 holed for the longest time with hardly any issues with varying ratios of juice, worked great for bobas, and my diy at a 50/50 mix.

Sennie whenever you start experiencing the flooding/gurgling problem if you can take and blow out the carto to get the excess juice out of the airway, and take a small straightened paperclip and gently slide it through the center of the carto, dont force it or twist much because you can disturb the coils inside and cause it to short against its self making it even lower ohms than what it is. i found that with the paperclip or even a long thin sewing needle you can usually clear the airway out or straighten the "socks" back up so the draw isnt nearly as stiff.

the inside of a dual coil carto consists of the outer tubing, the filler material, 2 small "socks", an insulator, and the NR wire and resistance wire ran in parallel, a 1.5 has 2 3ohm coils in parallel meaning that if one had a 1.5ohm dcc and didnt want the lower resistance they could clip the topmost wire that you can see by looking in the top of the carto where the driptip goes and remove as much of the little bit that is left sticking up. you would then be left with 1 3ohm single coil at the bottom of the carto. same thing for the higher ohm dcc, 2ohm = 2 4ohm coils in parallel, 2.5 ohm = 2 5ohm coils and so on.


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The burnt taste you get is actually the "sock" material first and as it progresses further it burns the filler material

She's not using dual coil cartos for one thing so the characteristics are slightly different. If youre using a dual coil setup youre vaping at higher volts so probably need more holes to avoid a burnt taste and to help it wick faster.

2 holes is really iffy with a 50/50 blend, made even more so by adding extra flavoring.
 
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