Snooty vaping hipsters.

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Keeferton

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Never been good with figures, but I figure 80% of the members in here are former analog smokers looking for a better option with their addiction.

I'll throw myself out there. I haven't bought a pack of cigarettes in almost 4 years but started vaping last October. My tobacco of choice was always chew but even then i hadn't had a dip in over four months when i bought my first mod. I don't think the nicotine cravings truly every go away. So when i started thinking about going and getting another can i went to the vape store instead because i saw the popularity it was gaining and my friends and family had been using ecigs for a couple years already. So i dont know if im part of the 20% that didn't smoke immediately prior to vaping but i definitely started vaping as a healthier alternative to tobacco. I would say I'm just as addicted to my 3mg juice as i am to my cup of coffee in the morning.

Hipster or not, can't we all just agree on one thing that maklemore haircuts need to go?
 
I'll throw myself out there. I haven't bought a pack of cigarettes in almost 4 years but started vaping last October. My tobacco of choice was always chew but even then i hadn't had a dip in over four months when i bought my first mod. I don't think the nicotine cravings truly every go away. So when i started thinking about going and getting another can i went to the vape store instead because i saw the popularity it was gaining and my friends and family had been using ecigs for a couple years already. So i dont know if im part of the 20% that didn't smoke immediately prior to vaping but i definitely started vaping as a healthier alternative to tobacco. I would say I'm just as addicted to my 3mg juice as i am to my cup of coffee in the morning.

Hipster or not, can't we all just agree on one thing that maklemore haircuts need to go?

AGREED to that:)
 

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Ok, I give up. What is ANTZ? In medical terminology, it means Abnormal Transformation. Otherwise, it's a mediocre animated flick from DreamWorks...

They are the boogeymen, the Pretender Tzars, the Wreckers in Stalin's world... They may or may not wear black and lurk around every corner, just waiting to confront vapers in the wild. They are behind all the anti-e-cig propaganda, the legislation, the studies... Every society needs an enemy to unite the people; in the world of vaping it is ANTS...
 
I'll throw myself out there. I haven't bought a pack of cigarettes in almost 4 years but started vaping last October. My tobacco of choice was always chew but even then i hadn't had a dip in over four months when i bought my first mod. I don't think the nicotine cravings truly every go away. So when i started thinking about going and getting another can i went to the vape store instead because i saw the popularity it was gaining and my friends and family had been using ecigs for a couple years already. So i dont know if im part of the 20% that didn't smoke immediately prior to vaping but i definitely started vaping as a healthier alternative to tobacco. I would say I'm just as addicted to my 3mg juice as i am to my cup of coffee in the morning.

Hipster or not, can't we all just agree on one thing that maklemore haircuts need to go?

Ugh! The Macklemore/Bieber/Miley Cyrus haircut with full facial hair/handlebar mustache. Blecccchhhhh!

I just went a full 7 months without nicotine. It was Hell getting off of it from 3mg juice. Hey, it was a week's worth of Hell stepping down anyways. The headaches, sleepiness, crabbiness, nightmares everytime I shut my eyes. But I could count down the 7 days before the withdrawal ended. But I have comfort in knowing it can be done. I went back to the nicotine recently, back to 3mg. I am gaining weight, working like crazy, and stressed out. The nicotine helps a little. But if need be, I can quit again.
 

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I believe most can quit, but its the desire to quit that stops most from doing it, the reality is they don't really want to quit. Anyway good job.

I also have gone for periods of time without smoking or vaping. Did I like it?? No, but I did because other things were occupying my time. Did I return to smoking or vaping because I had to?? No, I did so because I enjoy them because I want to enjoy tobacco and vaping not because I need to. It is here that there is a big difference.
 

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Whether or not I am addicted to nicotine doesn't matter one hill of beans when it comes to determining truth.

Unless of course you just want to fall back on decades of indoctrinated propaganda...
And dismiss anything that doesn't agree with that propaganda out of hand.

Go ahead, call me addicted again.
It's a great tactic.

After all, it's been working for decades.

It's really too bad that more people don't get it DC2. It is mostly understandable though after all the 'scientific' studies 'proving' that nicotine is incredibly addictive that have been published in the last 50 years.

IMO it's just going to take time for the message to get out. It's ingrained in our culture now and that takes time to change. Hang in there my friend :thumb:
 

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Ugh! The Macklemore/Bieber/Miley Cyrus haircut with full facial hair/handlebar mustache. Blecccchhhhh!

I just went a full 7 months without nicotine. It was Hell getting off of it from 3mg juice. Hey, it was a week's worth of Hell stepping down anyways. The headaches, sleepiness, crabbiness, nightmares everytime I shut my eyes. But I could count down the 7 days before the withdrawal ended. But I have comfort in knowing it can be done. I went back to the nicotine recently, back to 3mg. I am gaining weight, working like crazy, and stressed out. The nicotine helps a little. But if need be, I can quit again.

Withdrawals...hell stepping down...headaches...sleepiness...crabbiness...nightmares.
Aw chucks, are you saying you were or are ADDICTED to nicotine?

Nah, haven't you heard (read)? Nicotine isn't addicting...

Please pardon my sarcasm, Pascualita.
Thanks for helping me make my point.
Dale!
Regards,
HazyShades
 

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Sounds like a classic case of denial to me.

I believe most can quit, but its the desire to quit that stops most from doing it, the reality is they don't really want to quit. Anyway good job.

I also have gone for periods of time without smoking or vaping. Did I like it?? No, but I did because other things were occupying my time. Did I return to smoking or vaping because I had to?? No, I did so because I enjoy them because I want to enjoy tobacco and vaping not because I need to. It is here that there is a big difference.
 
Withdrawals...hell stepping down...headaches...sleepiness...crabbiness...nightmares.
Aw chucks, are you saying you were or are ADDICTED to nicotine?

Nah, haven't you heard (read)? Nicotine isn't addicting...

Please pardon my sarcasm, Pascualita.
Thanks for helping me make my point.
Dale!
Regards,
HazyShades

Like I am addicted to coffee, chocolate, and shopping. But I am fine with vaping. Even with the nicotine. If people vape nicotine juice, are they "doing it wrong?" How about somebody just giving up the smokes for vaping to read people in this forum saying "You're doing it WRONG!" That is a little discouraging...

Like (back on topic) being an older or "mainstream" vaper feeling like they don't belong in a shop if they don't have the Miley Cyrus hairdo, full beard, skinny jeans, giant ubangi plugs in the ears, tattoos, overpriced vape shop mod and a disposable income. I went into a vape shop today, and an employee looked at me like I had a raccoon crawling out of my .... because I asked for an eGo starter kit while puffing on a VTR. The starter kit was for a friend. The looks got harder when I knew exactly what I wanted to get him. The stankface came when I flinched at the price!
 

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Where in the forum rules does it state that people here should be former cigarette users or addicts?

ECF Terms of Service
Scroll down to item no 3
By implication, if this site is for people who are encouraged to use e-cigs only if they are tobacco or ex tobacco users
then using this site where ecig use is discussed and advice given is for tobacco or ex tobacco users.

Interestingly, this also beats the pants off all your anti-tobacco pro vaping because it's not harmful arguments;
Here:
3. Use by smokers only

Ecigarettes should not be purchased or used except by persons who are already smokers of tobacco products. There is no evidence that ecigarettes are either safe or safer than cigarettes and the user assumes all risk in the use of such devices.

There is no evidence that ecigarettes can reduce risk for smokers or that they can be used to reduce tobacco dependency. ECF does not advocate the use of ecigarettes for such purposes and advises that you consult your doctor in person to discuss the use of ecigarettes.

Users should know that the use of ecigarettes as an additional or alternative method of nicotine consumption or for zero-nicotine use is unproven as regards safety. There may be risks and the user assumes all risks, and releases and indemnifies ECF against any or all such risks.
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So...while the forum rules do not specifically state that the use of this forum is only for the use of smokers or ex smokers,
by implication, because of the above statements it does.


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It could be worse. The vape shops by me don't have hipsters. It's just full of c....! I won't walk into any UK vape shop now as they always seem to know better than you. I got basically chased out of a shop for mentioning the only diffrence between the 2 18650s they had on sale was the price (LG he2 efest purple 35a) internet just seems better to me. Come on ecf read some reviews then go buy for the lowest price.
 

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hazy - the "disease" is so because of the unwanted side effects. if alcohool would not have any other effect than cheering you up, would alcohoolism still be a "disease"? in the case of smoking, there are some 4000 substances beyond nicotine that create all kind of side effects. if we find a way to get rid of those, and get no ill side effects, would it still be a "disease"?

If alcohol use, whether it caused liver damage ETC or not was used on a daily basis to the degree that it interferes with your life, yes.
(Do yourself a favor and look up alcoholism, Dude)
Moreover, you seem to refuse to accept that daily nicotine use to the degree that it causes withdrawal symptoms whether it is ingested through cigarettes or e-cigs
when you don't use it is an addiction.
Furthermore, the very terms of service of this site have a disclaimer regarding the safety of e-cigs.
Perhaps you should read it, the link was posted by me above in reply to another gentleman's question.
Think about it. If ECF takes the time to put a disclaimer in their TOS, even they aren't too sure about the safety of vaping.

Here: ECF Terms of Service
See: From Item number 3.
There is no evidence that ecigarettes can reduce risk for smokers or that they can be used to reduce tobacco dependency. ECF does not advocate the use of ecigarettes for such purposes and advises that you consult your doctor in person to discuss the use of ecigarettes.


Gee, I wonder why they put that in there?
Could it be that somebody read a study supporting my posit?
I mean if the issue was settled that nicotine use is not addictive and ecig vaping is safe then why that item in the TOS?

Look, Caramel. I'm still respecting you even though you're playing the NUTZ side of this game.
However, I'm a wise old Hazy and you'll lose the argument every time.
Whether y'all admit it or not.
There are 50 anti nicotine studies for every one that y'all come up with and they're not all as you say "ANTZ"

So why don't we just stick to shooting beavers to vape and munching poutine with maple syrup and caramel?
I'm outta here. Beddy bye time.

See ya.
 

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Nicotine is a stimulant is all....like caffeine.
So why the big deal here about Nicotine?
I vape 24mg nic for the past 5 years....5 years of vaping, and haven't looked back on Analogs.
If i went down in nicotine that's my choice, but with life's stresses, i don't have any desire to
go lower at this time.
For anyone else....have at it....and vape just pg/vg with whatever u like.
But I don't need any lectures on Nicotines evils.
I have enough evil around me to keep me busy......vaping.


Ugh! The Macklemore/Bieber/Miley Cyrus haircut with full facial hair/handlebar mustache. Blecccchhhhh!

I just went a full 7 months without nicotine. It was Hell getting off of it from 3mg juice. Hey, it was a week's worth of Hell stepping down anyways. The headaches, sleepiness, crabbiness, nightmares everytime I shut my eyes. But I could count down the 7 days before the withdrawal ended. But I have comfort in knowing it can be done. I went back to the nicotine recently, back to 3mg. I am gaining weight, working like crazy, and stressed out. The nicotine helps a little. But if need be, I can quit again.
 

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How right you are, Madam. Indeed, this ex smoker started smoking ciggies as an adolescent for precisely that reason, to be cool and impress chicks.
I soon realized I didn't need a smoke to be cool or impress chicks but it was too late. I was hooked.
My fist taste of cigarette was when I was 3 or 4 years old, really.
I smoked my first whole ciggie at the young age of 6 when I accompanied an older boy to the store to buy some feed for his pigs.

My first pack was acquired from a vending machine at the movie theater when I was 12 and smoked slowly
to last me a week until the next weekend when I'd hit the movies again and buy another pack.
But by the time I was 14 years old I had to take an MTA bus and transfer to another to get to school.
There was a mom and pop cafe at the transfer spot and since I was already working on weekends and after school
I could afford a little daily colada and a pack of smokes. One PAD at age 14!
I'd also save my lunch money, go without lunch to buy smokes.

Before approaching other kids, especially the ladies, I'd fire one up. Forty-five years later I was a 4PAD smoker and regret it.
I do have a pix of me in edwardian suit and tie smoking my corncob at age 14 that I like...Very debonair but stupid!
By age 15, I didn't need a smoke to impress anybody, I was cool. But I kept on smoking.

Now, I really don't give a hoot whether anybody thinks I'm cool or not,
I vape because I like it and I'm addicted to nicotine.
Anybody that tells you that they aren't addicted to nicotine,
if they vape nicotine containing juice is fooling themselves.

I'm sorry if this, the truth offends anybody.
But only because you're offended not because I said it like it is.

Now I'm gonna get my fix :smokie:

Hazy :2cool:


I fully understand that one, If I could turn back time and undo picking up that first tobacco cig I would. My story was the nerd trying to fit in, trying to be "Cool" by smoking. At 14 I was stealing cigs from my mom (yes, it is theft if you take something that isn't yours). I had an attitude and no one was wanting to tell me different, I wish someone now had beat my past self's aaaarse and told me like it was.

I can spend all day regretting what was, or trying to fix what is. What kills me is that these young bucks who claim its "Hip" to vape have no idea the road they are going down developing a dependency on a substance. Its not cool to have to find a way to curb the shaking and uneasy feeling of needing something, its def. not cool to get off Analogs cold turkey unless you happen to like night sweats, nightmares, vomiting, shaking and mood swings from happy to crying to violent outbursts, it can also damage your heart from the rollercoaster ride heart rate increase/decrease. Now I ask anyone that wants to start smoking analog cigs does that sound hip to you. We vape to safely get off smoking Analog cigs, not to look cool. There is nothing really "Cool" or "Hip" about it in truth, I had to learn this being reduced to a trembling mess while still on Analog Cigs and getting off them with "Medically Prescribed solutions".

Those that want to start because its "Hip" or "Cool" please understand and listen to us in here, this isn't something that you want now or ever. We aren't here trying to put you down, were trying to save you from a life of dependency on a drug, were trying to save you from what we've gone through already once before.

I can understand that Nicotine is addictive but that's not the most addictive thing in Analog Cigs, as mentioned previously the Big Tobacco companies put additives in there that make you want to smoke again. At 4,000 chemicals already registered and hundreds more that aren't we don't fully know what happens when you inhale burning smoke from a cig. The base chemical Nicotine is classified as a mild stimulant and is about as addictive as caffeine, in small doses it helps stimulate brain functionality and memory.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong about me if you tried.

But I can't speak for everybody, and I am pretty sure many people here really are addicted.
It's unfortunate that those that are can't see any other reality.

Your theories are not only wrong, but they play right into the hands of those that oppose us...
Nicotine by itself maybe not so addictive after all?

DC2,
You know I've always agreed with your postings, or at least somewhat but as was once reminded to me that everyone and everybody's body is different. Though yes as a general overview Nicotine may be classified as not highly addictive in what sense are they comparing it to. If your going to go with the illegal drugs then yes nicotine is not even a concern when we play compare and contrast but if your going with like caffeine then I'd say its as addictive if not more so. Also keep in mind that this is outlining a typical user at as set safe amount regulated however we all know that regulations in the real world are only a suggestion much like the speed limit is in most cases.

I'd like to point out that being a horrible soda drinker I know addiction, yah I got off it for a while but not without some issues, now a study shows that it shouldn't be that way to get off caffeine but why, it may be because I'm consuming way above the considered recommended level of it per day would have a lot to do with it. Remember that though information is great, it is all subjective in a lot of senses, everyone has a different issue, different body and different personality to deal with so what a study may say "is" may not be so for that person. Not picking any just saying..

Thank you for posting the link however a we can start to understand what "Nicotine" really is and the general issues that new vapers may run in to as they come down off it. Information is power and with that we can help a lot more folks get through it safely, have you any more information on maybe the health effects and know symptoms of coming off it so we could as well offer that.
 

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This never works with hipsters. Hipsters need to be approached like your first day in prison. When you walk into a vape shop with snooty hipsters, you need to quietly grab a chair and beat the snootiest hipster (this is off course after pulling his wool cap down over his face. They all wear one 24/7 no matter what the season.) with it so everyone knows not to mess with you. Afterwards, you can make it up to the hipster by giving them Gummy Bears. All hipsters love Gummy Bears

For some reason this made me laugh out loud. The visual I guess. I haven't laughed in weeks so I thank you!
 
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