Snow Wolf 200w With Temp Control

[Azarias]

I.e. You can feel and hear the unit cutting to 0W then jumping up a lot and then down a lot and so on? If you look in a mirror you can watch the live reading reflect this. It's VERY noticeable from sound and feel of draw..... I've tried everything from 18W, 410°F (Kanger w/ rta) to 40W, 500°F (Atlantis).

A German reviewer tested the TC mode on the Snowwolf.

Looks like the box always goes down to 0W whe you have reached the temperature instead of just reducing the power. Maybe that's what you feel.

Here's the whole video:
His tests for the VW and TC start at 14:08

 

[Completely Average]

A German reviewer tested the TC mode on the Snowwolf.
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Looks like the box always goes down to 0W whe you have reached the temperature instead of just reducing the power. Maybe that's what you feel.

Here's the whole video:
His tests for the VW and TC start at 14:08

It does this if your wattage is set far too high for the coil.


For example...

I've got TC coils for my Aspire Nautilus. These coils use a very thin wire that heats very, very fast. If I set the temp at 460F (which I do) and try to run the wattage at say, 30W or higher the mod cuts the power. The reason is a quick 30W burst overheats the coil and it has to cut power completely to let the coil cool back down. However, if I set the wattage to 21.5W (which is where I keep it with these coils) then it never cuts the power. It will reduce the power, but it never cuts the power off entirely.

And you can see that on his test. It's a .09ohm coil that he has set to 430F, but is trying to push 40W to it. That initial 40W burst virtually instantly pushes it way beyond the 430F limit, and the only thing the mod can do is cut the power to let the coil cool down. Then every time it pulses the 40W again the coil overheats and it cuts the power again. It would be interesting to see him meter the actual temperature of the coil. I'll bet it's exceeding 500F in those pulses.

I think some people are having a hard time adjusting to a TC mod that doesn't use Joules as the TC setting. Joules is power over time. Set the Joules and the more time you have, the less power is delivered at any given instant. For example, 40 Joules for 1 second is 40 Watts, but 40 Joules over 5 seconds is just 8 Watts.

Using just Watts is a totally different ballgame. Watts is immediate and doesn't change over time. 40 watts for 1 second is 40 watts, and 40 Watts for 5 seconds is still 40 Watts. When using Watts as your TC setting you have to set the watts low enough that the coil isn't overheating faster than the mod is sampling the resistance changes.



EDIT...

I just made a quick demonstration video to show this.

 

[billherbst]

I'd been holding off on committing to a serious 'temp control' box mod because of the shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of the various TC boxes. Yes, I've had an order in for three weeks at gearbest for a Dovpo TC-50, but only because the cheap price ($36 shipped) would allow me to try out temp limiting on the cheap. Lord knows when that will arrive. Previous contenders that I rejected for one reason or another include all the Evolv DNA 40s and clones, the Yihi SX Mini M Class, iPV4 100W, and Evic VT 60W---all of which have their staunch supporters, of course, but none of which impressed me enough to take the plunge.

After reading this thread and watching many YouTube reviews of the Snow Wolf 200W over the past couple days, I was impressed by the near-unanimous praise for the Snow Wolf's features---ease of use, relatively simple interface, dual-battery setup, tank-like build quality, and consistent performance. I'm not sure whether I was actually "convinced" or just "seduced"---LOL. Either way, I decided to go for it. As so often happens, shinyitis and GAS won out over patience and restraint.

Sadly, I missed out on the Elev8vape $88 shipped deal---now out of stock. Undaunted, I found one on eBay today for $101.50 with free shipping, so I went for that.

I already have small spools of 28ga and 30ga nickel wire for rebuilding single-coil RDAs/RTAs. A Taifun GT-T RTA or Magma RDA seem like likely candidates, and stock Kanger heads on Nano Subtanks or the Mini Subtank RDA head are a snap to rebuild. Vertical coils (either single or dual) are trickier to rebuild, but when the new factory nickel heads for the just-released Starre Pro become available, I'll probably try them in my Starre V2 tanks.

I hope I haven't jumped too soon. Guess I'll find out.

 

[Cullin Kin]

I'd been holding off on committing to a serious 'temp control' box mod because of the shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of the various TC boxes. Yes, I've had an order in for three weeks at gearbest for a Dovpo TC-50, but only because the cheap price ($36 shipped) would allow me to try out temp limiting on the cheap. Lord knows when that will arrive. Previous contenders that I rejected for one reason or another include all the Evolv DNA 40s and clones, the Yihi SX Mini M Class, iPV4 100W, and Evic VT 60W---all of which have their staunch supporters, of course, but none of which impressed me enough to take the plunge.

After reading this thread and watching many YouTube reviews of the Snow Wolf 200W over the past couple days, I was impressed by the near-unanimous praise for the Snow Wolf's features---ease of use, relatively simple interface, dual-battery setup, tank-like build quality, and consistent performance. I'm not sure whether I was actually "convinced" or just "seduced"---LOL. Either way, I decided to go for it. As so often happens, shinyitis and GAS won out over patience and restraint.

Sadly, I missed out on the Elev8vape $88 shipped deal---now out of stock. Undaunted, I found one on eBay today for $101.50 with free shipping, so I went for that.

I already have small spools of 28ga and 30ga nickel wire for rebuilding single-coil RDAs/RTAs. A Taifun GT-T RTA or Magma RDA seem like likely candidates, and stock Kanger heads on Nano Subtanks or the Mini Subtank RDA head are a snap to rebuild. Vertical coils (either single or dual) are trickier to rebuild, but when the new factory nickel heads for the just-released Starre Pro become available, I'll probably try them in my Starre V2 tanks.

I hope I haven't jumped too soon. Guess I'll find out.

Your fine. It's a great choice. The form factor is gorgeous and it's much more sturdy than some may lead you to believe (with teh glass and all). In TC mode it tends to pulse wattage to maintain temperature, especially if you have the wattage set too high... Something I don't mind at all because it works, you just have to find the right wattage setting for your coil. It always senses a new build and switches to the right mode for me. For some people it takes a couple tries, but gets it in the end. The power mode? Fogeddaboudit, it's awesome.

 

[billherbst]

Just got an email from elev8vape announcing that the Snow Wolf 200W is back in stock. Same price as before---$92.99 (only $88.34 with coupon code "5off" and free shipping to boot.

Gee, missed it by less than a day. I figured elev8vape wouldn't restock for at least a week or two. Oh well, the 13 bucks more that I paid on eBay earlier today won't make much of a difference in the long run, especially since that's just a drop in the bucket of the astronomical amount I've spent on vaping over five years. LOL.

 

[Juvecoop]

It does this if your wattage is set far too high for the coil.


For example...

I've got TC coils for my Aspire Nautilus. These coils use a very thin wire that heats very, very fast. If I set the temp at 460F (which I do) and try to run the wattage at say, 30W or higher the mod cuts the power. The reason is a quick 30W burst overheats the coil and it has to cut power completely to let the coil cool back down. However, if I set the wattage to 21.5W (which is where I keep it with these coils) then it never cuts the power. It will reduce the power, but it never cuts the power off entirely.

And you can see that on his test. It's a .09ohm coil that he has set to 430F, but is trying to push 40W to it. That initial 40W burst virtually instantly pushes it way beyond the 430F limit, and the only thing the mod can do is cut the power to let the coil cool down. Then every time it pulses the 40W again the coil overheats and it cuts the power again. It would be interesting to see him meter the actual temperature of the coil. I'll bet it's exceeding 500F in those pulses.

I think some people are having a hard time adjusting to a TC mod that doesn't use Joules as the TC setting. Joules is power over time. Set the Joules and the more time you have, the less power is delivered at any given instant. For example, 40 Joules for 1 second is 40 Watts, but 40 Joules over 5 seconds is just 8 Watts.

Using just Watts is a totally different ballgame. Watts is immediate and doesn't change over time. 40 watts for 1 second is 40 watts, and 40 Watts for 5 seconds is still 40 Watts. When using Watts as your TC setting you have to set the watts low enough that the coil isn't overheating faster than the mod is sampling the resistance changes.



EDIT...

I just made a quick demonstration video to show this.

I had no idea that there were TC coils for the Nautilus. Where did you get them and who makes them?

 

[Ongeslepen]

I got the snow wolf for 2 days now and i'm so far satisfied with it. This is my first TC device, I'm not sure if it works "good" but i do know, that i haven't had a dry hit so far. And yes i've been trying to get one.

I find this an awesome device. The automatic "lock" system ain't that bad. Since i always look at the device anyway before i fire it. You might get irritated by the fact that whenever you switch from wattage to temperature, you will change the setting of one or the other, by accident. Pressing 2 buttons at the same time will always change either the wattage or temp by 1. I don't mind, but others might.

I find it a bit big and heavy, but i knew that before i bought the device. But in return you do get a quality device. I did buy this with the intention for home use, but because it's new i just had to bring it to work and play with it.

Even vaping at 200 watts ain't that bad, it's a funny sensation how the pulse system creates the vape. I still need to try to vape it at 150 watts, to compare the heat with the 2. I only do it on my mutation x v3. It has a huge airflow, so i experience pretty much no heat at all.

In overall, i'm a happy vaper with the snow wolf.

Would i buy it again? I don't know. My next choice would be a smaller TC mod for the only reason that it's easier to bring it along. But will i miss the power the snow wolf provides, probably yes

 

[Tat2man]

I have simular problem with mine on my Kanger but everything else I throw on it has been fine but it is not the mod in my case it is definately the Tank. I am using the Kanger Ni OCC builds... On my Velocity I am doing 13 wraps Nickle 28ga 2.5mm and gets me a 0.07 build dual coils and it vapes like a beast at 50w 450F... Now I have had it not pick up my tank before and switching from RBA Dripper to the tank But I always do a safety precaution and turn temp to 212F before switching to tank so it does not fire hot and give me a dry or burt vape.

 

[Completely Average]

I had no idea that there were TC coils for the Nautilus. Where did you get them and who makes them?

They are made by Aspire via contract with VaporShark. You can find them at several other places but they all are priced the same as VaporShark or higher. $18 for a 5 pack.

Nautilus Temperature Sensing Coil (5 Pack)

I made a thread about them a couple of weeks ago. After some testing with my SnowWolf I'm quite please with the results at 460F and 21.5W-23W. Nice clean flavor for my DYI juice, a little cleaner than the Kanthal coils. I'm getting a bit more vapor than I did with the Kanthal coils as well, with no burnt hits. I'm really liking them.

My Nautilus is for use at work. My boss lets me vape in my office, but only if I keep it low key. That means no fogging up the place with a subohm tank and no flavors that produce strong odors. The Nautilus works great for that environment, and the TC coils make it work even better.

 

[Juvecoop]

They are made by Aspire via contract with VaporShark. You can find them at several other places but they all are priced the same as VaporShark or higher. $18 for a 5 pack.

Nautilus Temperature Sensing Coil (5 Pack)

I made a thread about them a couple of weeks ago. After some testing with my SnowWolf I'm quite please with the results at 460F and 21.5W-23W. Nice clean flavor for my DYI juice, a little cleaner than the Kanthal coils. I'm getting a bit more vapor than I did with the Kanthal coils as well, with no burnt hits. I'm really liking them.

My Nautilus is for use at work. My boss lets me vape in my office, but only if I keep it low key. That means no fogging up the place with a subohm tank and no flavors that produce strong odors. The Nautilus works great for that environment, and the TC coils make it work even better.

Awesome! Looks like ill be grabbing some of these as well then. Thanks. ill also need a stealth mod for it as well. Any recommendation for a 40w TC device under $60? or maybe save it for another thread

 

[billherbst]

Any recommendation for a 40w TC device under $60?

The iStick 40W TC is $30 and change on a sort of pre-order at FastTech, if you don't mind waiting for 2-3 weeks. It's also in stock at VaporDNA for about $41 shipped (using coupon code VC10 to get $4 off). Very simple TC---you set the temperature, the chip sets the optimal wattage. I'll bet eLeaf sells a gazillion of these over the next months.

 

[Eric Auer]

I had no idea that there were TC coils for the Nautilus. Where did you get them and who makes them?

Short Thread here:
Vape Only Vair-t coils | E-Cigarette Forum

Eric

 

[Tat2man]

Well dang I was kinda digging the Idea that I was the only one in town vaping the Snow Wolf now all the local vape shops will have them in stock Fri. Still loving mine it vapes awesome on the Super Sub Ohm 0.07 build on my Velocity RBA

 

[Ongeslepen]

Well dang I was kinda digging the Idea that I was the only one in town vaping the Snow Wolf now all the local vape shops will have them in stock Fri. Still loving mine it vapes awesome on the Super Sub Ohm 0.07 build on my Velocity RBA

It does! i love the fact it goes till 0.05 ohm. Less wraps needed

 

[billherbst]

Both TC mods I ordered arrived on consecutive days---the Dovpo TC-50 showed up in the mail yesterday, and the SnowWolf 200 came today.

I spent yesterday going through learning curve of how to operate the Dovpo mod and getting set up, building simple 28ga single Ni-200 coils for one RTA and two RDAs---a Taifun GT-T v2 (.16 ohms), a Magma (.15 ohms), and an Origen v2 (.10 ohms). By the end of the day, I was comfortably in the saddle. Now today I have two TC mods to go with the three atomizers. Next I may try my hand at a dual-coil nickel build for a Derringer dripper and perhaps a Cthulu tank. I've read many posts from TC users having trouble wrapping nickel coils because the annealed nickel is so soft, but I've encountered no problems yet.

The two TC mods are obviously different---the Dovpo is small and very light weight, with a single 18650, while the SnowWolf is large, heavy, and powered by dual 18650s (as well as being three times as expensive)---but they also share some significant similarities. Both seem solid and well-built. No button rattle on either. The user interfaces (i.e., all the different button-pushing sequences to operate them) are not entirely the same, but close, especially in the nitty-gritty of actual TC use.

Both mods work simply and effectively in temp mode. Changing temperature or wattage settings on the fly is a little easier (more intuitive) with the SnowWolf, but both have a very low fussiness quotient. I haven't yet put the SnowWolf down long enough to encounter the 5-click reactivating thing. At least with the conservative settings I'm using---420° F at 25 watts---I get no dry hits, and each PV actively regulates the wattage delivered to maintain the set temperature and shows that process on-screen.

More to the point, the vape that each provides from the respective atomizers is completely identical. If I were blindfolded and not holding the mods in my hand, I couldn't distinguish one from the other for any of the three atomizers when set to the same parameters. Both PVs supply a very smooth vape, much less aggressive than the experience to which I'm accustomed with regular power-only PVs and kanthal builds. But then, I'm not pushing any limits yet, so that may change with time and savvy.

It's way too soon to offer any judgments or opinions about with I think of temp limiting technology. After one day, both of my new PVs are essentially shiny new toys. Whether and how much they will permanently change my life as a vaper remains to be seen. It should be fun to find out, though.

 

[cjpeltz]

I have been eyeing the snow wolf because my SMOK TXT hits a wall on the dna40. Wanted to see if the extra power would improve cape. Dovpro looks interesting, but haven't seen many reviews on it and it doesn't appear to be as available in many online us shops. Would love to hear how it performs at the 50w vs the wolf at say 60. Have you tried ramping up the temp to closer to 500? Also would love to see a side by side pic of the two. *btw at less than $90, SNow is only 2x the cost.

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[billherbst]

Have you tried ramping up the temp to closer to 500?

Nope. I'm not that fearless about TC yet. Give me a week or so...

at less than $90, SNow is only 2x the cost.

My Dovpo TC-50 was $35.84 shipped from gearbest. When I was ready to pull the trigger on a SnowWolf, elev8vape was out of stock, so I missed out on the $88 deal. I paid $101.50 on eBay. Many vendors are selling them for considerably more than that. I've seen as much as $130 from a vendor and even more on eBay. Whatever someone else pays may be less than I did, but MY cost was just shy of three times as much for my SnowWolf as for my Dovpo.

 

[cjpeltz]

Anyone checkout the Snow Wolf 50W? It's been on pre-order on the Asmodus site for some time, but I just saw that it is available for order for $99 at both Fluid Vapes and Vapor Range. Seems like a very nice looking mod, a bit lighter weight with wood finish. I know I need more than 40W for my TCT, thinking that this could do it. I'm not sure if I need the full power of the SW 200, and the weight of it (based on the reviews) seems to be a con.

Love to hear thoughts on this one, hoping to make a decision on either the 50W or the 200W in the coming few days.

 

[gel drops]

received mine yesterday,I am extremely satisfied so far,thing is built like a brick which is a good thing for me,I put a TCT by Smok on it for now until my nickel gets here. And at $88 shipped hard to beat in my book.

 

[gel drops]

For what I actually paid for this mod is in the top tier of many that I purchased over the years.