So disappointed and frustrated right now.......

[Junquemail Contessa]

I have been analog free for over two months. After the first month, I felt better....no more coughing, no more getting winded walking the stairs constantly at work. I did my research, everything points to vaping being a great alternative for smoking. I'll be honest, I am not vaping with in the hopes of one day quitting. I enjoy vaping tremendously and find comfort in it and find comfort in the fact that it is a safer alternative to smoking.

Shortly after I started vaping, my sister and her husband made the switch too. My dad started showing some interest...even tried mine a few times. I told him as soon as he was ready, I would take him to the local B&M and get him set up. Well, it had been a month and he still had not mentioned wanting to go. I think the fact that it is "buffet" style kind of intimidated him: choose your flavor, choose your nicotine level, choose your battery, choose your cartomizer.

He still asked to "take a puff" of mine, so I asked him if he wanted me to just go and get him a kit. He mentioned he wanted a tobacco flavor instead of the coffee I use and that he thought mine was a little too strong, so I got him a lower nicotine level and a VV battery. I brought it to him, showed him how to set it up and fill it and how to take it apart to charge it. He is so technologically (sp?) challenged. After he tried the tobacco flavor and we adjusted the voltage a bit....he LOVED it.

Today, he was so proud being able to tell his cardiologist that he is trying to quit smoking by using a vape. He's only been on it for a couple of days but felt confident that he would be analog free within a week or two. He's been smoking for 55 years.

His cardiologist told him to stop the vaping because of the dangerous chemicals and proceeded to write him a prescription for Chantix. When I stopped by his house after work today, my stepmom yelled at me for poisoning him...accused me of trying to kill him with "that toxic crap".

Who am I to argue with a cardiologist? My dad tried Chantix before. He did stop smoking for about a month or two but started smoking again. I would never do anything to hurt my dad. Ever.

 

[spartanstew]

You should contact that Cardiologist (nicely).

 

[BigBen2k]

Hm yeah, because death by suicide is so much better than death by Propylene Glycol...

I've tried Chantix, twice. It really hit the 2nd time around, but I was wise to it. All you can do is make him aware.

 

[BusterBear]

Im a cardiac nurse, my cardiologists know hearts and thats it. I'm doubtful he has any idea what's in ecigs. None of em believe in harm reduction either so no surprise there. A pulmonologist might have a better sense of whats up with ecigs, again if he or she has bothered to look into it.

Im more inclined to call chantix a dangerous chemical!

Sorry about your bad experience, and that your dad has to suffer. Maybe you'll get another chance with perseverance.

 

[bumpeez]

Every time I see my cardiologist he tells me how great I am doing but I have never told him that I vape...

 

[Baditude]

You did a good thing. Ignorance and misinformation about electronic cigarettes is everywhere, and for the most part the media doesn't help our cause either. They choose to listen to the ANTS people and are looking for sensational news stories, and the public tends to believe them.

Many people who work in the medical field do not keep up with current literature, including the MDs. Next time your father visits with the cardiologist, give him a copy of an appropriate resource on the safety of e-cigs from CASAA. Let your father and mother read them, too. It's his decision to decide if they are safe or not, and it's his life that e-cigs may safe. Continuing to smoke will...well we know about that.

Go to CASAA for printed materials to support your cause. And if not yet a member, sign up. It's free and only takes the time to enter an email address. CASAA Printable Material

Have your sister reinforce to your father that e-cigs helped her to quit cigarettes and that she believes they are far safer than smoking. Your father will decide what's best for him after weighing all the information.

 

[For.The.Win.Bob]

i had a bout with the chantix as well, those dreams were 'VIVID" to put it mildly. and as for the cardiologist, mine couldnt have been happier. maybe his was ill informed, but as i have understood it, the flavoring is absorbed by the tongue almost immediately, the atomized nicotine is absorbed on its way to the lungs and the mist from the pg and or vg is inhaled in quantities equal to taking a shower, and upon exhalation you are left with just that a fine watery mist... i'm not a dr. but i have been renovating a holiday inn express the past few months.

 

[BernieVideo]

I don't have the links on my phone, but when I get to my computer I will post links to some studies that you can send to that cardiologist. (Alternately you may be able to find them if you search my profile)

BTW My cardiologist is ECSTATIC that I am Vaping instead of smoking.

Lets face it, many Docs are just not up to date on real studies of things outside their focus. And they are all tied in deeply with the pharmaceutical industry. You hurt? Take a pill.

Maybe you can educate him, your parents, and others too


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[pufZeppelin]

get another opinion

 

[avaholic]

wow :O :O :O

 

[TBPlayer2112]

My mother's cardiologist thinks it's a great idea that I've taken up vaping. He was always on me whenever I'd take my mother in to see him. I explained to him what was in it, how it worked, and where to look online for more info if he wanted. He now suggests to people having a hard time quitting smoking to try vaping.
Sounds to me like the pharma rep has their claws deep into your fathers doctor, and your stepmother isn't much help either. Hopefully you'll be able to appeal to his common sense.
Sincerely sorry to hear about your troubles.

 

[Wmmeese]

I smoked for over 50 years and have been exclusively on ecigs for the past 9 months. My Cardiologist and Family Doc are both non committal on the benefits as there is no literature in there normal channels. I was not a candidate for Chantix as I take an antidepressant and patches have been a failed test. My Family Doc did say I would not be here today if I had continued to smoke analogue.

 

[reuknight]

Share with them this report from the FDA about Chantex. Postmarket Reviews - Volume 2, Number 1, 2009 and this one. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2008/021928s008lbl.pdf WARNINGS
Neuropsychiatric Symptoms
"Serious neuropsychiatric symptoms have occurred in patients being treated with CHANTIX.
Some cases may have been complicated by the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal in patients who
stopped smoking; however, some of these symptoms have occurred in patients who continued to
smoke. All patients being treated with CHANTIX should be observed for neuropsychiatric
symptoms including changes in behavior, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal ideation and
suicidal behavior. These symptoms, as well as worsening of pre-existing psychiatric illness,
have been reported in some patients attempting to quit smoking while taking CHANTIX in the
post-marketing experience. Patients with serious psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia,
bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder did not participate in the pre-marketing studies of
CHANTIX and the safety and efficacy of CHANTIX in such patients has not been established.
Advise patients and caregivers that the patient should stop taking CHANTIX and contact a
healthcare provider immediately if agitation, depressed mood, or changes in behavior that
are not typical for the patient are observed, or if the patient develops suicidal ideation or
suicidal behavior." Beyond that, take a look at liver damage. That stuff shouldn't be used for long term use in my humble opinion.

 

[Steve803]

The hard part will be fighting the stepmom on this. My dr is thrilled that i'm vaping and not smoking and the two tries with chantex didn't work for me. Paying full price i'm sure had something to do with it. Although, there was a late night attorney commercial that claimed it causes type 2 diabetes which i'm sure the good doctor ignores.

I agree with the others about going to CASAA and getting the latest studies on vaping and the list of food grade ingredients to try and convince the dr and the stepmom that it is better then smoking. You might also print the list from the FDA of the 4000 chemicals and 36 carcinogens in tobacco and ask them to advice on the safest vise based on the facts not their opinions. Good luck. Hope you can make some positive headway for YOUR FATHER's health.


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[Junquemail Contessa]

I just spoke to the owner of the B&M Vape store. He's going to call, mail some informational material and extend an invitation for the cardiologist to visit and see and discuss the ingredients of the liquids. He mentioned he may just do an informational meeting, inviting healthcare professionals. I just called my dad. I took him to my family doctor once when his was on vacation. I told him that doctor did want me to quit all together, but since I didn't want to...that e-cigs were a great tobacco and smoke reduction method. My dad told me that he wanted to continue vaping because: 1. He can stay inside and vape. (It was 95 degrees here today). 2. His children and grandchildren are happy that he's smoking less. 3. Because he thinks that the "stick" makes him look good, but he really didn't need the stick because he looks cool already.
He likes the taste, he has seen how much better his kids who have switched feel...so he's a believer. Thank you all for your replies. The support here is overwhelming (in a great way!) peace, xoxo

 

[Steve803]

Share with them this report from the FDA about Chantex. Postmarket Reviews - Volume 2, Number 1, 2009 and this one. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2008/021928s008lbl.pdf WARNINGS
Neuropsychiatric Symptoms
"Serious neuropsychiatric symptoms have occurred in patients being treated with CHANTIX.
Some cases may have been complicated by the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal in patients who
stopped smoking; however, some of these symptoms have occurred in patients who continued to
smoke. All patients being treated with CHANTIX should be observed for neuropsychiatric
symptoms including changes in behavior, agitation, depressed mood, suicidal ideation and
suicidal behavior. These symptoms, as well as worsening of pre-existing psychiatric illness,
have been reported in some patients attempting to quit smoking while taking CHANTIX in the
post-marketing experience. Patients with serious psychiatric illness such as schizophrenia,
bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder did not participate in the pre-marketing studies of
CHANTIX and the safety and efficacy of CHANTIX in such patients has not been established.
Advise patients and caregivers that the patient should stop taking CHANTIX and contact a
healthcare provider immediately if agitation, depressed mood, or changes in behavior that
are not typical for the patient are observed, or if the patient develops suicidal ideation or
suicidal behavior." Beyond that, take a look at liver damage. That stuff shouldn't be used for long term use in my humble opinion.

I went through all the same symptoms trying to quit cold turkey. Tobacco withdraw is a living hell. I think we all can agree with that. I was so bad my family went out and bought me a pack of smokes and begged me to have one. Sometimes the cure is worse then the disease. IMO of coarse.


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[pufZeppelin]

I just spoke to the owner of the B&M Vape store. He's going to call, mail some informational material and extend an invitation for the cardiologist to visit and see and discuss the ingredients of the liquids. He mentioned he may just do an informational meeting, inviting healthcare professionals. I just called my dad. I took him to my family doctor once when his was on vacation. I told him that doctor did want me to quit all together, but since I didn't want to...that e-cigs were a great tobacco and smoke reduction method. My dad told me that he wanted to continue vaping because: 1. He can stay inside and vape. (It was 95 degrees here today). 2. His children and grandchildren are happy that he's smoking less. 3. Because he thinks that the "stick" makes him look good, but he really didn't need the stick because he looks cool already.
He likes the taste, he has seen how much better his kids who have switched feel...so he's a believer. Thank you all for your replies. The support here is overwhelming (in a great way!) peace, xoxo

wow that sounds great !

your Vape store owner is going 'above and beyond' very impressive

sounds like your getting a solution in the works...

 

[reuknight]

Super happy to hear the good news. Sounds like you are on the right path. I'll toss one up for an extra dose of patience for you

 

[PBOB]

My mother-in-law's cardiologist suggested vaping for smoking cessation. She has been analog-free for over 3 months now. She, in turn, got my brother-in-law started. He claims he is analog-free, however my wife tells me she has been slipping him a few analogs, here and there. My wife is wavering back and forth, but I believe she will eventually see the light, as it were. Anyhow, he got me started. I got the guy across the street started, plus a 3-4 people at work. Hopefully, it will continue.

I had a checkup with my doctor today and spoke with him about e-cigs. He was very non-committal, but happy about me not smoking.

The bottom-line is: My mother-in-law's cardiologist's suggestion has brought at least a half dozen to vaping in a matter of 3 months. I believe more docs need to get educated. I realize this is relatively new, but I also believe if they really considered all of the alternatives, they would come to the correct conclusions!

 

[sim123]

My old boss tried to quit smoking with help of Chantix and started smoking right away when he woke up and wanted to kill his family from the nightmares it was giving him. Several other people I know have had issues w/ that crap.