So far so good but Ouch.

[LewAz]

When you first quit smoking, there is a lot of stuff going on...including your brain sounding alarms because chemical levels are dropping. I vaped 24mg/ml nic e-liquid for about 2 months after I quit. I started with a CE4 and quickly went to a Ego C Twist...which I still have and use as my backup. When I upgraded to the istick 30w and the Kanger Subtank Mini, I was at 18mg but it was to much and I had to drop my nic level down to 12mg. Since I live in the desert and drink a lot of water anyway, dehydration was never an issue with me. I will probably be chastised for suggesting this, but if it's that bad, maybe you should consider being a dual user for a short while...kind of ease into it until you get more used to vaping. If you can cut out 5 or 10 cigs a day, hey, it's a start. I was an unrepentant smoker...45+ years. I have been off cigs for 3 1/2 months. You can get there, you just have to find the right path.

 

[David Wolf]

Before you go lower, tell us what gear you are using. 18 is not necessarily too much for a 1.5 PAD smoker, but too little can send you back to tobacco, like it or no. I was a 1.5 PAD smoker, and 18mg where I started, staying there for a month or more. Dehydration sounds a more likely culprit right off the bat, especially if it's common for you. For me, at least, too much nic gives me headaches and nausea, symptoms you don't mention. Welcome to the board, 'gratz on getting off the sticks, and hang in there with us. It does get easier, I promise. We'll help you work through it a much as we can.

Thank you for pointing that out!
EVERYONE - talking about your Nic levels is meaningless without stating what equipment and power level you are vaping with!! If you are subohming at 40w at 6mg nicotine, your blood level Nic is probably as high or higher than mine at 18 mg on a nautilus mini at 8W!

Thank you suprtrkr - I used the attached, a EVOD-2. I should mention that I have felt nauseous, taking a few bouts of dry heaves. Also, I have heard quitting smoking can play havoc with sugar levels, I took a bad turn last night breaking out in sweats, shaking and overall lethargy until I consumed a can of tomato soup.

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those are not any nicotine withdrawal symptoms I've ever went through, sounds like you need to see a doctor. And if I were you I would stop vaping in case you are having a reaction to something until you see a doc. I would go back to smoking if I had to until I figured out the cause with a dr! This doesn't sound normal at all!

 

[Inni]

PG and VG (the main ingredients in the juice) are both humectants, which means they absorb moisture. Hydrate hydrate hydrate!!

I don't know the official numbers, but it's hard to compare vaping mg to nicotine in cigs. I smoked about 1 PAD of light menthol cigs, and I started with 12 mg. That turned out to be a bit too high, especially since I tend to chain vape. I quickly dropped to 6 mg and that works perfectly. I keep some 12 around for times I need an extra kick.

Thank you!!!

12-18 worked great on the pens - I went down to adding some 6 mg to the Kbox - the hit is much "stronger" -- so I couldn't take the higher nic. -- I'll be sure to hydrate!

One more question, if you see this ----- is there any known side effects to your gums? I've noticed my gums hurt / bleed a lot more than ever before. Could that be a hydration issue?

 

[Inni]

Thank you for pointing that out!
EVERYONE - talking about your Nic levels is meaningless without stating what equipment and power level you are vaping with!! If you are subohming at 40w at 6mg nicotine, your blood level Nic is probably as high or higher than mine at 18 mg on a nautilus mini at 8W!

Does this sound like the right info? .... Kangertech Kbox Mini, 0.0V, 1.1, 7.0 W ???

Honestly, what you wrote is greek to me - I'd like to learn some of this lingo!

 

[Inni]

PG and VG grab the moisture of your oral/nasal mucosa and allow you to exhale it as visible vapor. You will definitely need to increase water and other non-alcoholic/non-caffeinated beverages, just to keep up.

How much nicotine you absorb is dependent on a lot of factors: the power your battery is capable of delivering, the type and size and resistance of the coil itself, one's personal vaping style -- if you inhale slowly, hold it in mouth and throat for a bit before inhaling (or insteead of inhaling, like pipes and cigars), then exhale via the nose along with the mouth, you will absorb the maximum amount of nicotine. The absorption of vaporized nicotine is neither as fast nor as complete as smoked nicotine, so you may need more than you think, dependent on your hardware.

Andria

Thank you very much - sorry for the multiple posts - I need to get used to this forum style.

The information is excellent and very much appreciated!

 

[AndriaD]

Thank you!!!

12-18 worked great on the pens - I went down to adding some 6 mg to the Kbox - the hit is much "stronger" -- so I couldn't take the higher nic. -- I'll be sure to hydrate!

One more question, if you see this ----- is there any known side effects to your gums? I've noticed my gums hurt / bleed a lot more than ever before. Could that be a hydration issue?

Maybe, but more likely is that your gums are regaining their natural circulation, now that they don't have to fend off toxic smoke anymore. I think someone mentioned that his dental hygienist applauded the health and pinkness of his gums, since switching to vaping.

Andria

 

[David Wolf]

Does this sound like the right info? .... Kangertech Kbox Mini, 0.0V, 1.1, 7.0 W ???

Honestly, what you wrote is greek to me - I'd like to learn some of this lingo!

Yes that's it though I don't know why it's showing 0.0v, not knowing that box, the 7w tells the power you're vaping at and with the Nic level of your liquid and your device info you gave, you're telling the full story.. Well maybe could add how many ml of liquid you vape daily that's the full story that allows good comparisons

 

[David Wolf]

Welcome to ECF, fuser! It does get easier.

But if you've struggled with hydration before vaping, now it can be a serious problem -- I've struggled with it for decades, mostly thanks to my asthma medication being a potassium thief -- and serious dehydration can play hell with your electrolytes (like potassium!). After I'd been vaping for a couple months, suddenly I had ankles so swollen they became "cankles", and feet so sore and lumpy and swollen, I could barely walk. What fixed it for me was a) coconut water daily -- it's got a ton of potassium; b) decreasing my caffeine intake by about 80%; and c) using my husband's "Lite Salt" instead of regular salt -- it's 50% potassium chloride -- and the problem disappeared.

Welcome!
Andria

I think I could use some of that coconut water where do you get it? I've never seen it haha : )

 

[AndriaD]

I think I could use some of that coconut water where do you get it? I've never seen it haha : )

At Walmart, they have it in the "mixer" aisle, where all the tonic water and that crap is. At Kroger, it's in the "healthy/natural foods" area. I usually get the Zico brand, but the VitaCoco is also good. As lopng as it's 100% pure coconut water, not from concentrate, it's good stuff. I mix mine with pineapple juice, because I don't really care for the taste, but pineapple juice is also high in potassium.

Andria

 

[David Wolf]

At Walmart, they have it in the "mixer" aisle, where all the tonic water and that crap is. At Kroger, it's in the "healthy/natural foods" area. I usually get the Zico brand, but the VitaCoco is also good. As lopng as it's 100% pure coconut water, not from concentrate, it's good stuff. I mix mine with pineapple juice, because I don't really care for the taste, but pineapple juice is also high in potassium.

Andria

Great! Thank you Andrea!

 

[suprtrkr]

Yes that's it though I don't know why it's showing 0.0v, not knowing that box, the 7w tells the power you're vaping at and with the Nic level of your liquid and your device info you gave, you're telling the full story.. Well maybe could add how many ml of liquid you vape daily that's the full story that allows good comparisons

I don't have that mod, but just guessing it may be showing 0 volts because it is not firing...

 

[David Wolf]

I don't have that mod, but just guessing it may be showing 0 volts because it is not firing...

Could be. I was wondering if maybe that box doesn't show volts if you have it set to watts instead of volts? My Istick 30 shows volts, watts, resistance whether you have it on watts or volts, unfired.

 

[suprtrkr]

Just a guess. My Snow Wolf, in TC mode, shows measured atty resistance, maximum set temp, maximum set watts, and 0 volts when not firing. When you fire it, it shows actual temp, measured atty resistance (which varies with coil temp), applied volts and actual watts. In VW mode, the temp line is deleted. It shows atty resistance, 0 volts and set watts. When fired, it shows atty resistance (which may vary, I don't know, but not by a lot with Kanthal), and applied volts to get the set watts, which do not move around.That's all FWIW, of course.

 

[jseah]

One more question, if you see this ----- is there any known side effects to your gums? I've noticed my gums hurt / bleed a lot more than ever before. Could that be a hydration issue?

The bleeding gums is a side effect of quitting smoking. From what I understand, smoking will cause your gums to recede and once you quit, the gums begin to heal, so that means there is more blood flow to it. The fact that vaping dries out your mouth doesn't exactly help and it makes your gums more prone to bleeding when brushing as well. What does help is to brush regularly.

 

[jseah]

Yes that's it though I don't know why it's showing 0.0v, not knowing that box, the 7w tells the power you're vaping at and with the Nic level of your liquid and your device info you gave, you're telling the full story.. Well maybe could add how many ml of liquid you vape daily that's the full story that allows good comparisons

With the Subox (KBox Mini), the voltage shows 0.0 until you press the fire button. Once you do, then the voltage appears to show the voltage that you are firing at, based on the resistance of the coil and the wattage that the mod is set at.

 

[fuser]

You people are fantastic. Thank you so much for the valuable feedback. I see this is a bit more complicated than I originally thought. I'll give it a day or two, if symptoms persist, I'll go get checked out....make some adjustments.

Again, thank you, what a terrific community you have here.

 

[David Wolf]

With the Subox (KBox Mini), the voltage shows 0.0 until you press the fire button. Once you do, then the voltage appears to show the voltage that you are firing at, based on the resistance of the coil and the wattage that the mod is set at.

That explains it, thanks!

I don't have that mod, but just guessing it may be showing 0 volts because it is not firing...

Looks like you were right on the money!

 

[suprtrkr]

That explains it, thanks!


Looks like you were right on the money!

Some days I get lucky

 

[Grimwald]

It can be hard to determine between too much nicotine and withdrawal. I had some of your symptoms at times. Usually for me it was too much nicotine, but not always. I kept some 0mg liquid around to dilute my higher nic liquid.

Also, I found that caffeine was hitting me harder, and I'm a big coffee drinker. I started brewing decaf and half-caf.

You did mention sugar levels, and I found my worst periods were late morning and mid-afternoon...times when I was probably needing some fuel.

Bottom line for me was hydration, cutting both nic and caffeine, and eating better and more often.

 

[AndriaD]

It can be hard to determine between too much nicotine and withdrawal. I had some of your symptoms at times. Usually for me it was too much nicotine, but not always. I kept some 0mg liquid around to dilute my higher nic liquid.

Also, I found that caffeine was hitting me harder, and I'm a big coffee drinker. I started brewing decaf and half-caf.

You did mention sugar levels, and I found my worst periods were late morning and mid-afternoon...times when I was probably needing some fuel.

Bottom line for me was hydration, cutting both nic and caffeine, and eating better and more often.

That's the thing -- vaping makes quitting smoking so (comparatively) easy, it's very easy to overlook that one is in fact making a HUGE change to a very large part of one's life and health; simply switching vaping for smoking is a great thing, but some other lifestyle changes may, probably will, be required -- which is actually a wonderful thing, as it means that the healthful change is not just one specific, limited thing, but one's ENTIRE lifestyle. Embrace it!

Andria