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[idlethreat]

Hi, All.

Many thanks for the all the informative threads. I’ve been lurking over the past few weeks and learned quite a bit. Even saved the RSS feed on my phone so I can keep continually updated.

I’ve found that my first e-cig (Joyce 510 from the lovely ladies at cignot) does a good job, but limitations of battery life and cart size nag me after just a week or two of regular use. I do vape quite a bit (roughly 4-6 carts of 18mg a day) and am thinking of updating to a different model. My goals are much improved battery life, as well as longer delay between refilling carts.

After some research, I’ve narrowed my choices down to a Janty eGO, or a RN4062 (e-cigar). The eGO seems pretty popular on the boards- but what I’ve read about the RN4062, that seems to fit the bill very well too. Any RN4062 (or other e-cigar) users want to chime in?

Or, if you might have info on something I didn't mention, I'd love to see more about it.

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

idle

 

[Kent C]

Hi, All.

Many thanks for the all the informative threads. I’ve been lurking over the past few weeks and learned quite a bit. Even saved the RSS feed on my phone so I can keep continually updated.

I’ve found that my first e-cig (Joyce 510 from the lovely ladies at cignot) does a good job, but limitations of battery life and cart size nag me after just a week or two of regular use. I do vape quite a bit (roughly 4-6 carts of 18mg a day) and am thinking of updating to a different model. My goals are much improved battery life, as well as longer delay between refilling carts.

After some research, I’ve narrowed my choices down to a Janty eGO, or a RN4062 (e-cigar). The eGO seems pretty popular on the boards- but what I’ve read about the RN4062, that seems to fit the bill very well too. Any RN4062 (or other e-cigar) users want to chime in?

Or, if you might have info on something I didn't mention, I'd love to see more about it.

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

idle

One - the eGo can use the 510 attys and carts. I had the RN4062 cigar for one day, but don't go by that, it may have been defective and I returned it for a full refund. It did well while it worked but it is an auto batt and the cartridge is huge and soaked with ejuice. I suspect some got into the batt switch - just from what happened and the fact that it wasn't DOA. Had high hopes for it and still may pick another up at some point however.... the best cigar tasting ejuice is in the Ruyan disposables - imho - I have one around and it is usually the last vape I have - I'm puffing it like a cigar before I hit the sack. I wish they'd sell that ejuice!

 

[thelook]

Hi and welcome.
I went with the eGo because I can use all the 510 stuff I already have and of course because of all the good feedback I have seen for it.
That being said, I just placed my order for 2 eGo's Friday night, so I do not have it in hand to give any of my own feedback yet.
There are plenty of eGo owners here, and I am sure they will stop by and weigh in on the subject

 

[Guineahill]

The Kr8 uses a cartomizer (cart and atomizer combined into one unit) that holds much more liquid than a 510 cart. And the regular battery for the Kr8 lasts much longer before needing to be recharged. However, the Kr8 doesn't produce as much vapor as a 510 for most people. It is more flavorful in most opinions.

This model satisfies the two requirements you listed and it might be worth a try for you. Take a look at the Kr8 sub-forum for a bit more information.

 

[Kent C]

The Kr8 uses a cartomizer (cart and atomizer combined into one unit) that holds much more liquid than a 510 cart.

That's not exactly true. A 510 cart can hold over 20 drops of eliquid. It is recommended to refill an cartomizer with 20 to 25 drops of eliquid. So that part is about equal. What isn't equal is the rate that the atomizers vaporize that liquid. In the 510, because it runs a bit warmer, it vaporizes the liquid quicker - hence more vapor than with a carto. The atty in the cartos (some premiums excluded) have a higher ohm rating and vaporize much slower and hence less vapor but they last longer.

With the blue foam mod I can get 35-45 minutes with a 510 cart. With a refilled blank cartomizer I can get from 2-3 hours. I'm still getting about the same amount of nicotine and with the better vapor (and flavor with my flavors) the 510 is still more satisfying. Overall, I don't know if the time taken to refill a cartomizer - condom fill/taryn spin or popping the top and fill/spin leaving it for a day, etc. vs. the time taken to top off a 510 over the course of a day, is all that much different.

 

[Guineahill]

The whistle tip 510 cart (empty) holds 0.5 ml of liquid. The filler take up the room for a drop or two. The Kr8 holds 1 ml of liquid - that is with the filler in it. Drops are notoriously inaccurate for measuring. They can range from 18 per ml to 45 per ml easily!

When I refill my 510 carts I do it by eye. I don't count drops... I just fill to a bit below the rim and then reinsert my dart. (Yeah... I use the BFD and I love it!) When I fill cartomizers (from empty or freshly cleaned) I put 1 ml in a condom and push the cartomizer down and let it suck up the liquid. If a bubble appears I let it set for a while and then push down some more. I use about 0.5 ml if I top off while I'm out. I refill my 510 carts as I go throughout the day and my Kr8 cartomizers in batches in the evening. The Kr8 condoms make traveling with filled cartomizers easy... just toss them in a pocket. Because of this most people feel they have to fiddle with Kr8s less than 510s.

In general, because the 510 atty runs hotter you will get more vaper - but that is, at least in part, because it goes through liquid faster. And because it goes through liquid faster it delivers more nicotine and more molecules of whatever flavoring is use. BUT a lot of the flavor is often destroyed because of the higher heat. (Not always... but often.) Since the Kr8 runs cooler most people find that the flavor is more pronounced and clean.

And the new premiums! Oh gosh... just one more thing to add to the equation. They run closer to the 510, but with the liquid volume of a normal Kr8.

In summary, the standard Kr8 cartomizer holds twice the liquid of a 510 cart... and it vaporizes it less aggressively so it lasts more than twice as long. The 510 makes more vapor and delivers more nicotine per puff.

 

[Kent C]

The whistle tip 510 cart (empty) holds 0.5 ml of liquid. The filler take up the room for a drop or two. The Kr8 holds 1 ml of liquid - that is with the filler in it. Drops are notoriously inaccurate for measuring.

They may be inaccurate but when coming from the same bottle it's pretty accurate (context is everything ;-) - I can get 20+ drops in a 510 cart using a plug and about 25 in a cartomizer before it starts to puddle and from almost every video on it, so does a few more people like leaford, eg. He overfills if he goes for more, coming out of the same type of bottle most of us use. So again - it isn't the liquid - it's the time and that can vary as well. I've had nuport cartomizers 'full' that lasted a half hour. I've had c.m.frap cartos that have gone for 3 hours.

You could put a heck of a lot more juice in a carto, but it wouldn't work. So I'll give you that. lol

 

[Kent C]

Guineahill: BUT a lot of the flavor is often destroyed because of the higher heat. (Not always... but often.) Since the Kr8 runs cooler most people find that the flavor is more pronounced and clean.

This is an overgeneralization. Flavors like in food, respond differently to heat - some flavors do well in heat and would taste terrible if cold - same with some flavors in ejuices. Some taste better cooler and are reduced by heat - same with ejuices. IF you only take those flavors that do not do well in heat and say "the 510 ruins flavor" then you're only telling a half-truth and misleading people. If I mention that the 510's warmer vape enhances some flavors, I almost always also state that it reduces some. And not only that tell people which ones.

'Clean' has little to do with heat and more to do with the purity of the nic and/or VG or PG that is used.

And the new premiums! Oh gosh... just one more thing to add to the equation. They run closer to the 510, but with the liquid volume of a normal Kr8.

The new atty inside could be a positive development - esp. if they make blanks with that atty where you can use your own juice.

In summary, the standard Kr8 cartomizer holds twice the liquid of a 510 cart...

Again, I get 20+ in each.

and it vaporizes it less aggressively so it lasts more than twice as long.

Yes, it's doesn't produce as much vapor as the 510 within a constant time frame.

The 510 makes more vapor and delivers more nicotine per puff.

It does, which means one can reduce the nic level with the 510, esp. if you're using a mod. I've went from 24 to 18 to 12mg in 9 months.

 

[dg99]

To the OP and other folks starting out in the hobby,

This thread is a bit of an example of how generalizations can mislead (I mean absolutely no offence to Guineahill, who is trying to help just like the rest of us), so we need to keep an open mind and be careful not to perpetuate them. When comparing models especially, we need to stick to facts and be objective. The 510 atty runs hotter, therefore producing more vapor quantity and thickness, therefore using more juice. A KR808 carto will last longer between fills, but this is mostly due to less vapor=less juice. Similar to comparing fuel consumption per mile of a honda civic versus a ford mustang.

My goals are much improved battery life, as well as longer delay between refilling carts.

If these are your goals, and you are happy with the current performance of your 3.7 volt 510, the eGo will give you the all day battery life, and a simple cart mod will fix the filling frequency. Check out the cartridge mod forum for some ideas, two popular ones are the blue foam dart mod and the pyramid tea bag mod.

Best of luck

 

[idlethreat]

Superb information, all. My thanks for taking the time out to respond. I'm thinking something like the eGO would be right up my alley when it comes to compatibility and longevity. Everything is a trade off somewhere

Unfortunately, Janty seems to be out at the moment. Will search around to see if I can locate some reputable dealer with a nice eGO set for sale.

Cheers,

idle

 

[Kent C]

Unfortunately, Janty seems to be out at the moment. Will search around to see if I can locate some reputable dealer with a nice eGO set for sale.

Here you go. Same exact model... different name:


Wicked-TORNADO E-NI or Electronic Nicotine Inhalator Black.

 

[Guineahill]

My natural inclination right now is the 'retaliate.' That, however, serves no purpose whatsoever!

Therefore... I will limit myself to wishing you the best with your vaping experience! I happen to have several 510 mods in addition to a number of Kr8 renditions (as well as others.) I find they each have their strong points and their weak points. I have no desire to tell you what is best for you. It is my firm belief that there is no best! There is only what works for each individual and each situation.

Good luck idelthreat!