So how does the FDA intend banning Vaporizers

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So how does the FDA intend banning Vaporizers.


It is because of the natural progression that people make when moving from one substance to another !. Vaporizers were being used for other things long before being used to deliver nicotine. Nicotine is a drug ! Can you see the connection I am referring to. The FDA is all too aware of this fact. It always ends the same. They don’t want it to perpetuate. Nicotine patches and gum aren’t in the same category because now vapour devices are involved. These devices are linked, in the eyes of the FDA, to drugs. This is not a subject that I am assuming myself. It is the reality that the vaping community is facing at this moment in time. If left unregulated then young people will be encouraged to use vaporizers as an alternative to smoking anything not just e-liquid !. It is about the device itself.

Let me ask you this. If vapour devices didn’t exist would young people even think of an alternative ?. If a young person starts using a vapour device because he or she heard about how nice the flavours are then there is nothing stopping them from doing that. And then what ?. Where do they go from there ?. Lets say they start with a cig-alike like everyone does. The next step is something with a bit more of a kick and before they know where they are they have progressed to stage three and are using a high end device like a provari. Thing is now they are seasoned vapers and there is nothing stopping them from finding out what else they can vape. And that would be the next stage. And I am thinking the FDA don’t want these options to be available to young people.

I’ve read posts here that say the FDA has no reason to be banning these devices. I have just given the reason why the FDA have the power to do that. And I know there are a multitude of arguments defending vapour devices that say they are harmless and so on.

So again, it is not me trying to cause a stir. I am interpreting what is going on in the mind of the FDA. I do realise there is something similar going on in Europe at the moment too. So ask yourself why this is happening. It cannot be just about revenue from tobacco.
I know what you are thinking. That the tobacco companies create too much revenue for their governments for it to be wiped out by this new medium. That is a very real possibility. It sounds more plausible than my previous explanation. But for the “FDA” to make a decision on this then their reasons would have to be about health. That’s what the FDA does. The FDA is not the government tax department. So for the FDA to be able to be in with a chance of banning vapour devices then their angle is that people will progress to other substances. That is a very real possibility. But you are still right to argue about the loss of revenue there is no doubt about that.

There is a connection between these devices and other vapour devices. You know this. And vaping is considered harmless. Why ?. It is because all the harmful substances that exist in burning tobacco don’t exist in vaporized e-liquid. The same could be said for other substances which are already illegal but can also be vaporized in a similar device. Soon people will be able to vaporize a liquid form of the illegal substance made in a similar way to the e-liquid available today. It is just a matter of time before that happens. So in reality it doesn’t look good for the vaping community at all.
It is a very real concern for future generations. Am I against the vaping community on this ?. Not at all. I use a device for vaporizing nicotine the same way you do.
In the long term I think that devices that vaporize nicotine aren’t a viable option for economic reasons. I believe that. But that isn’t how it’s going to be shut down. Is it !?.
If you can think of another valid reason the FDA has to ban vapour devices which makes my explanation seem a ridiculous idea then I would welcome you to enlighten me. Please !.I would agree that this reason is ridiculous. But I cannot think for the life of me why the FDA is involved with making the decision to ban these devices. Products that deliver nicotine are on the shelves and selling quite nicely. So it isn’t about banning nicotine, it being a drug, and which is why the FDA is connected to the debate.
Am I missing a fundamental point.? Or am I making sense ?. Do you wonder what might happen if vaping isn’t banned ?. There’s a question for you. How might things develop if things are allowed to continue the way they have been for the last few years in the vaping world ?. Maybe you will have to buy a license to carry a vaping device !. That would create revenue for the government and stop young people from using them. Think about how many people that aren’t licensed would be convicted and fined. That would create revenue too. Not every smoker wants to use a vaporizer so the tobacco companies are relatively safe there. Vapour devices are not taken seriously by most smokers. They are nothing like the real thing amongst other reasons. I for one would still be smoking if it wasn’t for health reasons.
So maybe the powers that be will decide on less drastic measures to regulate the use of vapour devices rather than banning them outright. As I’ve said there are other options. Maybe you could think of an option or two that you could share here.

That’s how I am seeing things right now. Please respond if you agree or disagree with anything I have written. I may not be available to reply or answer your questions though. I’ll see how it goes.
Happy vaping.
 
What makes everybody think that they will impose a ban for sure?

If its that settled,they should put out a decret right away dont you think...

...or is it that you guys looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove to speculate about doomsday scenarios since the infamous 2012 one failed?



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What are you talking about ?. Did you not read the op

I am asking why do you think it's the "FDA" in particular that is dealing with it ?

decret ... I had to look that up.
 
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Not Again.:facepalm:

I have done an Advanced Search for you, search goes back as far as 1 Month any more and there would be Thousands. I have also limited the search to New Members, General Forum, Campaigning and Electronic Cigarette News.
Trust me, it's All been Said and Answered. Have read through some.
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Not Again.:facepalm:

I have done an Advanced Search for you, search goes back as far as 1 Month any more and there would be Thousands. I have also limited the search to New Members, General Forum, Campaigning and Electronic Cigarette News.
Trust me, it's All been Said and Answered. Have read through some.
Search Results - FDA

The link you have provided has no search results.
 

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If the long mess up there was just asking why FDA was involved, it seems pretty evident - it is either "foodlike" or "druglike" (including OTC/legit..) Same reason they are getting involved in the "health supplement" field..

From Wikipedia:
The FDA is responsible for protecting and promoting public health through the regulation and supervision of food safety, tobacco products, dietary supplements, prescription and over-the-counter pharmaceutical drugs (medications), vaccines, biopharmaceuticals, blood transfusions, medical devices, electromagnetic radiation emitting devices (ERED), and veterinary products.

No matter how you make the nicotine base, it is either "tobacco products" or "OTC drugs". And 'medical devices' is very broad. Band-aids, ace wraps, etc.. It is reasonable for them to take a look at PV & nic juice. The hope is that they won't classify it as a "drug delivery device" and make it RX-only, etc..
 
So now i am thinking that maybe it should be suggested to the FDA that the other type of vaporizers should be banned. And that the FDA should go after those online vendors and not the innocent ones that just provide nicotine vaporizers.

Those that are trying to persuade the FDA to leave the vaping community alone should search for these online suppliers and make a list and present that list to the FDA.
 

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Hey atomaton, I think that if you listen to Bill Godshall's part in this radio interview, you will have a much better understanding of what has gone on and what could go on with the FDA.

It starts at about 42 minutes and ends around 1 hour 42 minutes. I know if someone told me to listen to an hour of a radio show, I probably wouldn't; however, I really think you will gain a lot of knowledge by listening to all that Bill had to say. It will give you such a better understanding of what is happening.

https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/deeming-regulations
 

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What are you talking about ?. Did you not read the op

I am asking why do you think it's the "FDA" in particular that is dealing with it ?

decret ... I had to look that up.

its meant for everybody starting their own apocalypse threads every day really,keep speculating.
 

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its meant for everybody starting their own apocalypse threads every day really,keep speculating.

The OP seems very long winded to me....
Then ends with ' might not be available ' to argue with you.
Doesn't seem suitable to a new members- interested in vapping forum....IMHO

I'm not taking the bait.
 

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Hey atomaton, I think that if you listen to Bill Godshall's part in this radio interview, you will have a much better understanding of what has gone on and what could go on with the FDA.

It starts at about 42 minutes and ends around 1 hour 42 minutes. I know if someone told me to listen to an hour of a radio show, I probably wouldn't; however, I really think you will gain a lot of knowledge by listening to all that Bill had to say. It will give you such a better understanding of what is happening.

https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/deeming-regulations


Hey Paulette: You are Right! Thanks for the link! I found it very interesting and enlightening I think everyone should take a listen for them selves then there might not be so much speculation! With people like Bill Godshall's and his knowledge backing eCigarette’s and Vaping we have some very good people in our corner! He's put a lot of years in fighting for us! I just don't see a dooms day with people like him working on it!

Skullman {:{}
 
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