So I get pulled over on my way home.....

[Bones]

Whatcha gonna do when they...... me being beaten with an asp baton....come for you!!!

I have loud music and dark tint in a sporty looking car with a loud exhaust. (profiling???) They pull me over search the car find nothing (illegal) and ticket me for noise and tint violations, which I take to court and the officers never show so I get out of every ticket they have ever issued me.

Ah - Well there ya go - By your own admission you seem to be instigating/enjoying this little game of cat and mouse you are playing with the cops - Not that what he did was "right" - But it is now a whole lot more understandable - I was on your side until you told the whole story - I woulda stomped on your E-cig too if that's how it is - LOL - they are not "profiling" - YOU ARE IN VIOLATION - DUH!

Make your car legal and give the cops their due respect and I suspect you will have less troubles - Talking nice gets you nowhere if you continue to not rectify the reasons they keep pulling you over - May as well be sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting - NANA NANA NANA at them -

 

[Phayah]

I was going to call "small peepee syndrome" on the cop.

You had me in your corner right until these:

They don't like me because i have gotten out of every ticket they have given me for tint violations, and excessive music. So he thought he was going to make me his B**ch and let me know he was in control by stomping out my cigarette and making sure he had my full attention. Plus they don't like it that i am better armed than they are (all permitted and registered weapons). So they know i carry. What I don't understand is why they would do this knowing I have so many friends in high positions in law enforcement ( city, county, and federal) but whatever, I will be on vaca and he will be getting his ... reamed for my multitude of complaints including but not limited to harassment, behavior unbecoming of a peace officer, destruction of private property, and what ever my legal representation can come up with

Seems to me there's more than we are being told.

I have to agree with this guy.

Still, cops should be used to dealing with cocky people like you and they need to be able to control themselves.

 

[DaveDzRochNY]

May as well be sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting - NANA NANA NANA at them.

I believe that is what's happening.

Too bad it was only the ecig that got stomped. Taking a LOT of restraint
on my part to NOT type any more on this. The situation here is much too
transparent.

 

[Bones]

I believe that is what's happening.

Too bad it was only the ecig that got stomped. Taking a LOT of restraint
on my part to NOT type any more on this. The situation here is much too
transparent.

Ahhhhhh Jezzzzz - I had missed the quote about being better armed and all that - WOW - - This guy here got what he deserved - Good Job Officer!

Anyone who wants a GOOD reason to be upset with a cop - Go look at the 72 year old woman being tasered that I posted a page back -

 

[VaporNebula]

I have to agree with this guy.

Still, cops should be used to dealing with cocky people like you and they need to be able to control themselves.

So If I just pay the tickets everything is ok??? That makes sense. If I want to play my music loud inside of my property why should i not be able to. (the reason i go to court is because the law on excessive noise states music cannot be heard 100 ft from its source), when an officer is sitting on the side of the road with several cars driving by how could they possibly tell what 100ft is and which car it is coming from? They just choose the most likely candidate. Plus at night it is impossible to tell how dark a cars windows are tinted to be able to stop them for a tint violation. That is why the court systems are here, right??? to give both sides a chance to prove their case??? Please, correct me if I am mistaken, PLEASE.

COCKY??? How am I cocky??? Because I refuse to be intimidated by a police officer??? Am I supposed to cower to them??? Yes sir, sorry sir, it wont happen again sir. Is that how the conversation is supposed to go. Me being a little .....??? Ok sir I'll take care of this fine first thing monday morning. No I want him to explain how he can tell what vehicle it is coming from out of a pack of 10 or 20 cars and how he can tell how dark my window tint is at 1030 at night in an area with no street lights.

Why should I not have my day in court?

If they prove their case and the charges hold, I will gladly pay all fines and charges. I just want them to prove it.


Your rebuttal?

 

[Bones]

You just had your day - You have just had your case reviewed by a jury of your peers and we call BS on you without even hearing the cop's side - You are clearly in the wrong even with only your side being told - You really want to hear the legal side of it - ?

You are so busy trying to prove yourself right - You completley lost sight of the fact that you are in violation of the law - Your tint is not legal - Your car and music are too Loud and can be heard more than 100ft away - You admit it! - Now you want to know how they know? - Seems they are very familiar with you and your outlaw car - They have eyes and ears right? - CASE CLOSED!


"Am I supposed to cower to them??? Yes sir, sorry sir, it wont happen again sir. Is that how the conversation is supposed to go. Me being a little .....??? Ok sir I'll take care of this fine first thing monday morning."

That is EXACTLY how the conversation should go - GROW UP - It's not being a ..... - It's called maturity - Believe me it's even harder when the cop is half your age - But - That's what you do!

The side of the road is NOT a COURT ROOM!

 

[VaporNebula]

So he told you to take that cigarette out of you mouth and you said.....???

I am always courteous to the police I do not question their motives verbally, when they stop me I always turn all of my interior lights on roll down all of my windows and place my hands on the steering wheel so they can see them, because i do carry and they know that. I do not confront them verbally about anything. They ask me a question I answer. They instruct me, I obey. they ask for consent to search, I allow without hesitation. So where am I in the wrong? What do I do to put them on the defensive? They know me they know I am never discourteous. So, why do I deserve this treatment?

 

[VaporNebula]

You just had your day - You have just had your case reviewed by a jury of your peers and we call BS on you without even hearing the cop's side - You are clearly in the wrong even with only your side being told - You really want to hear the legal side of it - ?

You are so busy trying to prove yourself right - You completley lost sight of the fact that you are in violation of the law - Your tint is not legal - Your car and music are too Loud and can be heard more than 100ft away - You admit it! - Now you want to know how they know? - Seems they are very familiar with you and your outlaw car - They have eyes and ears right? - CASE CLOSED!


"Am I supposed to cower to them??? Yes sir, sorry sir, it wont happen again sir. Is that how the conversation is supposed to go. Me being a little .....??? Ok sir I'll take care of this fine first thing monday morning."

That is EXACTLY how the conversation should go - GROW UP - It's not being a ..... - It's called maturity - Believe me it's even harder when the cop is half your age - But - That's what you do!

The point is if they cannot prove how they can tell what vehicle the music is coming from and how dark my tint is at night then it is an invalid stop. there may have been 1, 2 or even 3 other cars that were on that road that i was traveling with at the time that had just as loud if not louder music how does the officer know the music is from my car?


The bottom of the citation clearly states that by signing I am NOT admitting guilt but acknowledging that I have been served the court summons. THE COURT SUMMONS!!! That is entitling me to a trial? I am not offended by them pulling me over, making me stand on the side of the road while my car is searched. If they wanted to do something about it they would bring them selves to the court house. So by them continually failing to appear they may be admitting they are in the wrong or that they have insufficient proof to ensure a verdict in their favor. All I ask is for them to prove that they can In fact without a doubt know that it was my car they heard and not someone else?

 

[framitz]

There is no reason to wait for them to make things right. Sue them in small claims court.

 

[Bones]

The point is if they cannot prove how they can tell what vehicle the music is coming from and how dark my tint is at night then it is an invalid stop. there may have been 1, 2 or even 3 other cars that were on that road that i was traveling with at the time that had just as loud if not louder music how does the officer know the music is from my car?

Are you not capable of telling where sound comes from?
And have you not said that you get stopped 2 times per month? - Always at night? - They know you dude - You have ...... them off - They will look at your car in the light of day if you want and tell you the same thing - You are a rebel without a clue - They don't have to prove it - You do -

What do you plan to say - "Your Honor - My window tint is Illegal - But how did they know that?"

 

[Ehvam]

Wow, I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here. We, smokers of all people, should know by now how much pressure there is in our society now to conform, even when that conforming is NOT based on anything constitutional or logical by any means.
It is simple, if the cop pulled him over to write a citation, he should have and been on his way. End of story.
No excuses.
End of story.
The story explains itself.. If VaporNebula had broken any laws, abused the officer in any way, he would be in jail now woldn't he? Instead there were no charges filed, thus VN never accosted, assaulted or threatened the officer in any way. The officers supervisor also came by and assessed no threat to the officer, or HE would have taken VN in.
So what excuses assault by the officer and destruction of private property?
NOTHING.
End of story.
And it is sad, sad, sad, to see the attitude here. "cocky" "......." whatever.. you have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to be an ......., a ....., whatever. The ONLY thing the police need worry about is enforcing the law.
END of STORY
And the more we excuse abuses by the cops, the more we get 72 year old, and yes even children tasered, abused, and disrespected for no reason whatsoever with no ramifications. It has all already gone way too far. Our country was founded on making it HARDER on the state to violate a citizens rights, over the years we have become accustomed to the state trampling all over people, their property, their dignity, their rights for no reason other than we "don't like" the person, or their attitude.
You have a Constitutional right to an attitude.
We incarcerate more of our citizens by percentage than almost any other country in the world- think about that.

 

[OutWest]

In my opinion, he had no right to destroy your property. He's hot tempered and needs to be reigned in.

I had one pull me over for speeding (and yes, I was speeding) and the cop came charging up to my car with his hand on his gun ready to shoot. I can understand being ready to draw their gun, but he came storming up to the car in a rage. He then started screaming in my face to get out of the car, which I did and he screamed at me to get rid of that cigarette (an analog). Well, when you have an obviously out of control cop screaming in your face with his hand on his gun and ready to start shooting, what do you do? You drop the cigarette. You dont go "okay" and then start climbing into your car to put it out in the ashtray. So, anyway, I promptly dropped it and then he started screaming at me about littering and threating to write me a $10,000 fine for it. Um, the maximum fine for littering at the time was $1,000. Not to mention that even the max fine would be a bit unjustified over a cigarette .....

Another incident in my state Man Claims He Was Harassed By Trooper - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |

Chris Owens said he was handcuffed, thrown into the back of a police car and harassed for taking pictures of a car crash scene Monday evening.

He said he witnessed the end of a high-speed chase while riding his scooter down N Classen Blvd. Monday.

"That black SUV passed me doing about 120," Owens said. "I stopped, pulled off on the median, had my camera and just walked around and shot a few pictures."

Much to Owens' surprise, when police saw him taking the pictures, they demanded he hand them over or go to jail. Owens said three troopers and an Oklahoma City police officer were present during the incident.

"I quickly opened the scooter seat, dropped my camera in and locked it, and said ‘No, I won't give it to you,' Owens said.

As professional photographer and a teacher at Casady School, Owens stood his ground, telling police they were violating his civil rights.

"I'm a prep school teacher, not a criminal," Owens said. "It was constant screaming a foot from my face, of how stupid I am."

After Owens refused to take the camera out of his scooter and delete the pictures, that's when he said one of the Troopers lost his restraint.

"He finally just snapped, and said ‘That's it, you're going to jail,' and knocked my helmet off my head and took me over to a tree and cuffed me," Owens said
. . .

and then there's the latest incident in Oklahoma where an out of control highway patrol officer assaulted and choked an EMT (video on youtube and posted on ECF)

 

[VaporNebula]

Are you not capable of telling where sound comes from?
And have you not said that you get stopped 2 times per month? - Always at night? - They know you dude - You have ...... them off - They will look at your car in the light of day if you want and tell you the same thing - You are a rebel without a clue - They don't have to prove it - You do -

What do you plan to say - "Your Honor - My window tint is Illegal - But how did they know that?"

I work within their jurisdiction they know that they can come ticket me during the day.

I don't plan to say anything because they will never show up for a court date for me to have a chance. The ball is in their court. They have the same right as me to present their case, they have chosen not to. Is that my fault?

 

[VaporNebula]

Bones are you a cop is that why you are up in arms about this. Is it wrong for me to request proof that it was in fact my vehicle that he heard?

 

[VaporNebula]

There is no reason to wait for them to make things right. Sue them in small claims court.

Not spending 1000 bucks for a moral victory and 55 dollars. I just want an explanation and for them to either leave me alone or come to court and prove their case.

 

[Bigbob]

I think this whole thread started with: "This big mean popo broke my only e ciggy, please someone have sympathy and send me a replacement before I go on vacation."

A mod should probably move this thread outside, due to the volatile nature of the discussion.

 

[brialeeanna20]

Well i not picking side, just telling my story. When i was 18-19 i lived in a very small town. Maby 9-10 officers is the whole PD. I had dated a cop for about 6 months and, when i broke it off he did not take if verry well. He would follow me and pull me over 1-2 timmes a week. Going 2-3 miles over speed limit. ( i do not think i was) not stoping at a stop sign long enought, any thing he could come up with. After 4-5 weeks of this i had to file on him with the PD and he "moved to a diffrent town" Now dont get me wrong i do think that anyone should "play nice" when you get pulled over ( most times you may get a warrnig) but i do know that there are a few bad cops and small town ones can PICK on people!!

 

[Phayah]

I wholeheartedly agree with Bones and the others who've posted like-minded views, and no I'm not a cop, I don't know any cops either. I just believe people should respect one another and abide by the law.

Like I said in my previous post, the cop should know better and should have controlled himself. On the other hand, it does sound like you've been picking fights with them.

 

[VaporNebula]

I think this whole thread started with: "This big mean popo broke my only e ciggy, please someone have sympathy and send me a replacement before I go on vacation."

A mod should probably move this thread outside, due to the volatile nature of the discussion.

WELL actually i had 2 batts and 2 attys it just sucks only having 1 pv while at a music festival with no way to charge it.

 

[VaporNebula]

I wholeheartedly agree with Bones and the others who've posted like-minded views, and no I'm not a cop, I don't know any cops either. I just believe people should respect one another and abide by the law.

Like I said in my previous post, the cop should know better and should have controlled himself. On the other hand, it does sound like you've been picking fights with them.

How have i been picking fights please explain?