So I got this cool temp control.. And I don't get it.

[Eustace]

Hey everyone,

So today I got myself an Aspire Triton Mini with the Ni200 temperature control 0.15 Ohm coils. I'm very pleased with it, it looks awesome. But it is my first sub ohm and temperature control experiment, and I really having a hard time understanding how it works. I have a pioneer4you ipv D2 and I followed online guides to set it up. I did this:

1. Assembled the clearomizer with the coil, filled it up, et cetera.
2. I set my IPVD2 in temperature control and select the Ni200 coil.
3. I pressed the + and the - button to 'lock the resistance' (I have no idea what this is or why I should do it)

Now this is where things get complicated for me. I currently have it set at 240 celcius (464 F) and 22J and I am really pleased with the vape it gives me. However, I don't really know what I'm doing. Should I adjust my vape with the temperature setting or should I do this with the Joules setting? What is exactly the difference between those two? And what is their influence on my vape experience? I'm not too keen on just trying things out because I'm worrying I might do something wrong.

I really tried to find out online but with no success. Thanks in advance, really appreciate it.

 

[Scy123]

3. I pressed the + and the - button to 'lock the resistance' (I have no idea what this is or why I should do it)

Locking it just tells the mod what resistance the coil is at room temperature. The resistance raises as the temperature of the coil increases. That is how tc works, it detects the change in resistance and calculates the temperature of the coil from that. That is why you must lock it while the coil is at room temperature or it would not get an accurate reading.

I can't really explain the difference between temp and joules as my mod uses watts instead of joules, so I am not too familiar with joules.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Quick and dirty version...

TC will give you several benefits.
-Some protection from dry hits. My poor wicking skills benefit greatly from this.
-Consistent vape experience regardless of length of draw (ie: max temp).
-Faster ramp-up without getting too hot.
-etc.

You will learn what max temp you prefer. It will vary with the tank and drip tip, and even what juice you are using. That mid 400s F is a good starting point. It simply limits how hot the vape can get no matter how long you draw.

The power determines how fast you get there. But it is still possible to overdo it with the wattage and fry a coil. Not all mods react at the same speed and some may be too slow to save you from yourself. In general anything not too much higher than you would use in Power Mode will do just fine.

So...
Pick an appropriate wattage and set the temp fairly low, ~420 F (possibly even lower).
Try to hold the mod so you can see the display. Take a normal vape. When it hits the temp it will display "temp protection" or some such.

Now increase the temp setting a bit... 10 or 20 degrees, and repeat.
When you can take a full draw and only just hit temp protect... you're pretty much there.

Adjust as needed. If it's too hot for your taste... back it down.
If your mod "throttles" the power too much... raise the temp slightly.

Then... use the wattage to reach that temp quickly.
The result should be... a vape that heats up fast but never burns. Consistent every time.

You get used to it and you can do this with a new set-up in two minutes. Easy peasy.


eta: Oops... should have done my post in C, sorry... you get the idea.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

... my mod uses watts instead of joules, so I am not too familiar with joules.

For our purposes... they are identical.

 

[daviedog]

Locking it just tells the mod what resistance the coil is at room temperature. The resistance raises as the temperature of the coil increases. That is how tc works, it detects the change in resistance and calculates the temperature of the coil from that. That is why you must lock it while the coil is at room temperature or it would not get an accurate reading.

I can't really explain the difference between temp and joules as my mod uses watts instead of joules, so I am not too familiar with joules.

A joule is the same as a watt second. Or one watt for one second duration..

 

[Jim_ MDP]

As we do not pre-set a duration for firing... for our purposes it's a distinction without a difference. And used improperly to boot.

I think it was a business decision to differentiate the nomenclature from Evolv.

 

[Completely Average]

A joule is the same as a watt second. Or one watt for one second duration..

Correct, but that's not what it means in ecigs. Joules is a misused term when it comes to ecigs. What they really mean is watts.

50 watts is 50 watts for 1 second, 50 watts for 5 seconds, or 50 watts for 10 seconds. It doesn't matter how many seconds you hold the fire button down, it's delivering 50 watts at all times.

50 joules, as you say, is 50 watt SECONDS. It's 50 watts for 1 second, but if you hold your fire button down for 10 seconds then 50 joules would equal 5 watts per second for 10 seconds of duration. In otherwords, the longer you hold the fire button down the less watts would be applied each second. You couldn't have a real "Joules" setting without knowing precisely how long you were going to fire the mod before you pressed the fire button. Watts X Seconds = Joules.


With ecig mods it's best to simply use the word Watts instead of the misused term Joules, because that's what the manufacturer really means. It's setting the watts, not joules. Your watts won't change no matter how long you hold the fire button down.

 

[Completely Average]

Now this is where things get complicated for me. I currently have it set at 240 celcius (464 F) and 22J and I am really pleased with the vape it gives me. However, I don't really know what I'm doing. Should I adjust my vape with the temperature setting or should I do this with the Joules setting? What is exactly the difference between those two? And what is their influence on my vape experience? I'm not too keen on just trying things out because I'm worrying I might do something wrong.

I really tried to find out online but with no success. Thanks in advance, really appreciate it.

I'll try to make this as easy as possible for you.

Temperature is the maximum temperature you want the coil to reach. That's a maximum threshold setting. Find the temp that works well for you and set it there.

Watts/Joules is the amount of power sent to the coil. Too much will send the mod into Temperature Protection mode as the coil heats up too fast. Not enough and the coil heats up too slowly or never reaches the temperature setting that you selected,

So the best thing to do is stand in front of a mirror so you can watch the display as you fire the mod. Set your desired temperature and fire the mod. If it's not reaching the temperature or takes a long time to get there, increase your Watts/Joules setting. If it almost instantly reaches the temperature and then cuts the watts/joules way back of off entirely, reduce your Watts/Joules setting.

You want to find the balance where the coil heats up to the desired setting quickly, but doesn't drastically reduce or cut off your power. It's going to reduce the power some once the desired temperature is reached, but if it's dropping the power by 50% or more once reaching that temperature then the watt/joules is set too high for the mod to properly regulate.

 

[Eustace]

Thanks so much for all the input. I'm starting to understand it and have found a great setting for vaping now.

I thought temp control was not a really big deal, but I really like it now. My battery seems to drain much quicker and I have to refill my juice more, but that's okay.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Experimenting, dialing it in, just plain having fun with it... you'll use more.
That'll settle down.

The promise of better battery life. Yeah, not so much.
There's a debate on whether there is or isn't, and if not... why.
But that's another discussion.

For now... enjoy the TC.

 

[Bunnykiller]

J = 1w/sec
therefore if it supplies 1W over 1 second the same amount of power is applied as 1 million watts in 1 millionth of a second

KEWL huh??