So, I Ordered Some HV 306 & LR 801's..

[mwa102464]

My Experience with these newer Mini 801's is the following and I love this Atty been using it since Issac first came out with them.

when I use the Mini 2ohm 801 I find that I use a lot more liquid in them then a few drops, I just pop off that great stock flat tip and fill em up to the middle of the Bridge and slam it back on. I vape away on these bad boyz until they need to be filled again. Any extra liquid that happens to come out of the bottom of my Atty gets sucked right back up into it when I take a pull with the mod I'm using. ( vv Buzz W/native 801 top cap ) I find these like to drink liquid but heck I don't care because of all the flavor and vapor I get from them. I also find that tuning them in from 4v-4.2v is way better then just 3.7v so if you have a VV mod your in luck, try setting it in this 4-4.2v range, load up that Atty and vape away, and check out the difference from 3.7 it's a way better vape and don't be afraid to load these bad boyz up with liquid at these numbers what so ever. Huge vapor and the flavors of your liquids will shine with these Atty's 4 sure. !!!

 

[progg]

My Experience with these newer Mini 801's is the following and I love this Atty been using it since Issac first came out with them.

when I use the Mini 2ohm 801 I find that I use a lot more liquid in them then a few drops, I just pop off that great stock flat tip and fill em up to the middle of the Bridge and slam it back on. I vape away on these bad boyz until they need to be filled again. Any extra liquid that happens to come out of the bottom of my Atty gets sucked right back up into it when I take a pull with the mod I'm using. ( vv Buzz W/native 801 top cap ) I find these like to drink liquid but heck I don't care because of all the flavor and vapor I get from them. I also find that tuning them in from 4v-4.2v is way better then just 3.7v so if you have a VV Mod your in luck, try setting it in this 4-4.2v range, load up that Atty and vape away, and check out the difference from 3.7 it's a way better vape and don't be afraid to load these bad boyz up with liquid at these numbers what so ever. Huge vapor and the flavors of your liquids will shine with these Atty's 4 sure. !!!

Thanks mwa.

I'm having problems with the newer 801s. The performance has changed for me as compared to the black ring 801 mini.

I don't have your hardware so ymmv. I have an eGo and a standard 3.7 device. My liquids are 100% PG.

Old black ring 801 -- primed with 5- 6 drops, reload with 3 drops. Ah, bliss. When I used this method on the new 801 mini - bummer. All vaping sensations were diminished, especially taste.

I'm seeing some success with a method similar to mwa's. While I've only tried it on 1 atty and it's not broken in yet, I have reason for optimism. Each vaping sensation has improved.

New method -- 10 - 12 drops to prime, let the atty sit for about 5 mins, add a couple of drops and vape. If it's flooded (mine wasn't), give it a quick blow job. When it's time, reload with 3 drops.

I presume I was burning the wick prior to this -- mwa is right, this atty needs to be soaked. As soon as he sends me his VV I'll be able to report what I get at 4.2.

 

[mwa102464]

Funny Progg man, Listen when I prime my Atty's I fill them up over the bridge and let them sit with a condom on the Batt end, sometimes I let them sit for a couple hours like this, but usually an hour. This seems to prep and prime my Atty for me better then any other way, it also insures me of my wick never being burnt or getting that burnt taste, it seems if you don't prep your Atty with lots of fluid and insure that wick is soaked very god there is the chance of that wick getting just the slightest burnt spot on it and once that happens the taste is never gonna be as good so this is why I soak them, never had the bad taste since and do every type of Atty this way always

 

[progg]

Day 2 with different atty using modified mwa method, hereafter mmwam.

The day 1 attempt with the mmwam was a vast improvement over my original black ring method.

Today I tried a little different tact with the mmwam. I didn't fill the atty as much as mwa to prime, but I did put in about 13 drops, then capped and bagged it. I let it be for over 2 hours.

Despite the fact I had the atty standing for over 2 hours, there was no leak thru .

I've been vaping with it for about 5 hours -- the performance has been great from start till now. Great taste, VP and decent TH. Back to mini 801 bliss.

I'm careful to reload (3 drops) more often than I have in the past -- keep it soaked. These newer design mini 801s are good for me now.

Thanks again mwa.

 

[aprioristic]

That's an impressive collection indeed!
Here's an old list of some recipes done in parts.


On to the burnt plasticy taste on the 801? They don't require that much juice. I use about 3 drops per session. Whats your set up with the 801?

IDK how you get macaroon from coconut and cherry but cool list nonetheless. I really just got these long 801's to have something to try 3.7V on my mod, but now I am on to 6V and the 306's. Two of the 801's got tainted with nasty juices and a Crest Pro Health bath only partly helped. The third I think I burnt the wick despite following the drip 6-8 drops to prime then add 3 method.

The 306's now this is a huge problem. I had trouble even getting my mod to work at 6V, shuffling batteries, o-rings and stuff. I think before I just didn't mess with it for a few days, I actually had it set to where it would fire but I think both of the first two HV 306 atties were DOA.

I tried a 3rd atty yesterday after totally fixing the o-ring situation and it worked. Again following the prime/drip method above, I quickly burned the wick. These things seem to need more juice than that. So, I went ahead and de-wicked it. This got rid of the sour cherry taste that was lingering and I only get the nasty burntness if I let it get too dry (which is far too often for my liking really, but this is good for sampling DYI).

I lost track and flooded the atty badly once, but I guess this is working okay putting in like 4-5 drops to top up. Even though I get the gurgling effect, it's better than burning whatever taste.

Seeing the mmwam or whatever last night I decided to prime an atty overnight. I took an old 808 battery end carto condom from the nasty prefilled carts with the long needle for the battery end of the 306. I put the orange (cart?) cap cover or whatever on and dripped 0.3ml of PG in the "mouthpiece" hole with a CE2 syringe and let it sit overnight.

I tried to fire it today after blowing out and filling with juice and nothing. I did the same priming method for a couple hours on the 5th atty today and it is dead too. I can't see what I would be doing wrong with these. You make sure they are wet, but not too wet, screw them in the PV and push the button. I know my batteries are charged because the #3 atty works fine, but is that 4 out of 5 DOA? Is there anything I can do?

 

[Switched]

What devices are you using these on? Sounds to me like a centre post problem on the atty being pushed up some.

 

[aprioristic]

P18 @ 6V -- IKV HV 306

I messed with whatever you said about center posts and the 510-801 converter and didn't seem like anything moved before (but I know this is a separate issue). What can I try? TY Switched.

 

[Vaporologist]

Hey aprioristic, do you own a multimeter? It would be nice to be able to check all those atties to make they are alive. It would be extremely unlikely to have so many DOA atties...

 

[aprioristic]

Nope. What would I do if one tested okay but it wasn't firing? I can't see how 4 of 5 would be bad either. I also don't see how I would do anything to move the center post.

 

[Vaporologist]

I think that Switched was suggesting that maybe you unintentionally moved the atty center post up by possibly over-tightening the atty. It's really easy to do especially on the P18 because you feel like you need to go deeper than you really should. If you do that, the atty can short out and will not work anymore.

I know you've heard this before, but if you are a serious vaper who uses a device like a P18 which is all mechanical and you are stacking batteries, you really need to own a DMM, even if it's a cheap one. Not only would it help you find the culprit in this case but it would also enable you to constantly monitor your batteries, which is really important when stacking them.

In this specific case, if your atty is showing resistance, then you know the problem is somewhere in the connection or the PV and vice versa. In general, I suggest testing your brand new atties with the DMM before you ever connect them to the PV. Just because you purchased an LR or HV atty, doesn't mean that that's what you received. Mistakes do happen...

 

[aprioristic]

I know my dad has an old analog multimeter and even an oscilloscope (not sure if that is even useful) but we couldn't find it over Xmas without digging through the attic completely. I might still get it but don't see why I have to have that to get these to work. Is there anything I can do if the center post is moved up too far? If there is, I will just try that assuming that 4 out of 5 wouldn't be DOA. I guess I could drop another $40 on a multimeter but I am tending toward buying an Ego or something stupid, whatever is easier to use at this point.

Maybe I just don't like dripping or I am really bad at it... IDK... both the 801s and one 306 that worked seem like... I prime them 6-8 drops, let it sit a bit, take a couple quick puffs, drop 3 more drops in... maybe it hits okay for a bit... I start getting burning/nasty taste.... drop a few more drops in.... it seems it is flooded. The whole thing has been pretty much a pain in the ... and not worth it.

The first two 306 I might have overtightened or done something to. In fact, I had to get pliers to get them off and slightly dented the body with the teeth. One of them that sat a few days... the metal casing around the guts of the atty came off when I did this. I looked at it briefly and put it back on. I don't see how or why this would have broken anything. Before I even took pliers to them, they had been primed and on but just never fired. At first my drip tips weren't wanting to fit down the whole way so it was either get the drip tip off or get the atty off. If I overtightened these at all it was a small amount and if they are that sensitive to it they shouldn't be used on a P18.

#3 worked. A rather mild flavor (DV sour cherry) and the burnt taste from barely ever letting the atty get dry wouldn't leave so I de-wicked. It worked okay for like 5 hours today, but I guess I was way overfilling. It was either that or run out of juice and get a burnt taste after like 5-7 hits tops. Its performance has declined already.

#4 I primed overnight and my drip tip now slides down easily. I really don't think I overtightened this one, didn't need pliers, never fired.

#5 I primed ~2 hr. in PG. I didn't even put a drip tip on. I used the orange casing it comes in and there is no way I overtightened it. I turned it only enough to get the casing off. It just didn't fire.

Looking at all 5 of these now, the center post seems to the naked eye to be sticking out the same 0.5mm or whatever. Is that all that could be wrong, maybe I overtightened all these and nothing I can do?

 

[Switched]

OK let's see if we can't nail the culprit down here. There are several variables so it is not easy to troubleshoot from a distance:

• we can't see the center post of the atty;
• you don't own a multi-meter; and
• reading from some of your posts on the SuperT sub (banned from there, so I couldn't help) your P18 may or may not be set up properly.

Your P18 should be set up with one o-ring only and no washers (spacers) under the negative contact point of the button. When you place the top connector on the batt tube, you should feel a slight resistance when closing the last few threads (read slight) If you have to force it, it is too tight. You need at least one thin oring in the tube. The second o-ring that comes with the tube is only to be used when using IMRs (orange batteries) which are 1mm shorter that the standard black AWs.

The depth of female threads of the P18 ensure a positive contact point with the atty will take place. IOW the positive post is longer than most and will easily damage atties or raise their centre posts. As soon as you feel resistance, the atty is snug enough. If you are having to use pliers to take atties off they are on too tight.

Using adapters is a hit and miss proposition. I had one that caused a short and a near battery run away on my P18. That adapter is in the trash.

When troubleshooting atties, it is wise to stick with one device to nail the culprit.

It also seems that you are over dripping, I have yet to try MWA's recommendation wrt the semi where he floods to the bridge??? So I will not pronounce myself on that one. I do know however, if you do that to a standard 801, it is flooded, and you are more likely to pop it trying to work through it.

4 out of 5 DOA = user error IMHO. One in a bunch happens, when 4 out of 5 go dead, it is usually user related. I know it's not what you wanted to hear, but more l;ikely the truth. If you would have gotten your attys at EM, then perhaps, but not from Isaac. I have never received any DOAs from Ikenvape. I'm not shilling for isaac here, it is just a fact.

Please elaborate slowly, on what you have done to date, point by point, without embellishment and let's see if we can get you on the right track. Because outside of your centre post being pushed up on the attys, I can't seem to be able to pinpoint your woes. The centre (pos) post on the atty should be flush or extend a little past the threads. It it isn't and is pushed up, it is no making contact. If you squished the silicone ring/gasket sufficiently to cause a short, then the atty is dead. <------ presumption, you need a MM to verify this.

If your attys are good and the centre post is pushed up, gently tug on the post to make it just proud of the threads using a paper clip shaped like an L <----- leg of the L = 1mm or so.

 

[Switched]

PS: Are we talking 801s or strictly 306s? Because your 510-801 adapter has an adjustment for the positive contact. One thing for sure, the positive post of the P18 ain't moving or going anywhere. It is a press fit.

 

[aprioristic]

I ordered 5x 306's and 3x 801's (the long ones with the black ring). 801's work fine except that I obviously can't drip and they have nasty Wyatt Earp/other flavors + burntness stuck in them.

Only dealing with the 5x 306's now.

Like I said #1 & #2 could definitely be me over tightening. These things are so small that there is not much to grip to get them off. If I unscrewed the 306 with the drip tip over it... I then had no real way to get the drip tip off. I wasn't forcing drip tips on too bad I don't think... They either are completely loose or catch on the atty or are pressed on too far. With the first few attempts I used two different drip tips that were about the same fit. I let them stop where they wanted, about 4mm from the end. Still, what I was doing was screwing the atty in until tight, and keeping turning so I could get the tension required to get the drip tip off. After the first time, I realized I didn't want to have to use pliers, so I tried to not overtighten. #1-2 are probably uninformed user error. I didn't think that such a small amount of overtightening could ruin an atty.

If they are overtightened, why would they never fire? I compared all of these and the center post sticks down past the threads about the same 0.5mm on all of them. If it was flush or sticking out more, my eyes would be able to tell. Nope, they are all right about a half millimeter.

#3 worked. #4 didn't and by then I was just being more careful to not overtighten on my own. If I blew this one, then these materials are so sensitive they should not be used together. #5 I absolutely 100% didn't overtighten.

#1/2 got like 8 drips of juice to prime, never fired. Same for #3 but it worked. #4/5 got the soaks in PG, then I blew them out to somewhat dry and redripped juice. I wouldn't expect a bath in PG to harm them much. If they popped, they popped silently because it never seemed like they fired.

If your attys are good and the centre post is pushed up, gently tug on the post to make it just proud of the threads using a paper clip shaped like an L <----- leg of the L = 1mm or so.

This confuses me now. I can't tug on this thing. I'm calling the center post the brass looking ~3mm wide ring just outside the airhole, looking at the connection with the battery. There is then a narrow white ring and the ring with the threads. Like I said, all of these are sticking down the same half millimeter as the one that fires so I can't even see how that is it.

 

[aprioristic]

Also, since at least one of them is working.... how do you drip on a de-wicked atty? It seems like there is either:

A - not enough juice, you get a nasty plastic taste

B - too much juice, gurgling sounds (I still get an okay hit though)

I don't see how it is possible to keep this in balance. I think my atty is even worse now, because it is like 2-3 hits before it seems to want more juice (avoid nasty taste), but it is still full of juice somewhere, and now more prone to floods.

Really, this situation wasn't much different than before de-wicking.

 

[Switched]

OK that helps! Your atty posts are fine or appear to be from this distance, without an MM can't really tell. How is your P18 set up, this is important and what batts are you using in it? Are your contact points on your P18 nice and shiny or tarnished? No pun intended here, I recently got 4 PVs that the performance was less than stellar, including a P10 that would barely wisp. I PMd the seller and asked him if he had noticed a drop in performance and when the maintenance was last done on them? I never did maintenance! Hum...

 

[aprioristic]

I know the seller has noalox, because he offered to give me some because of other problems. P18 is exactly stock now I believe. One 1.000 o-ring down inside and 1 of 3 washers on switch. Did he actually use noalox before sending, maybe not. Both switch end and inside battery compartment have some gunk. I've cleaned these a bit but not with noalox (didn't buy yet). The post>>atty connector looks pretty clean. The brass P18 post had a small amount of gunk before but I cleaned it. I kind of don't think this is it because the #3 atty and all the 801's @3.7V fire.

BTW, somehow I am vaping the de-wicked okay today. After a prime and a couple fills I sat it down a minute and I see juice in the well, but it was hitting fine. I guess it is just a sensitive balance. I think I need at least one de-wicked for flavor testing.

 

[Switched]

LOL Thank god you didn't decide to drip with an 901, that puppy is an extremely finicky atty to balance.

For cleaning my posts, I found the best way was to use a pencil eraser. Clean/degrease posts with alcohol, wipe dry and use eraser to polish. If the contact of battery and posts is not positive you will not get proper current flow, which in turn stresses the atty and the batteries.

If you are dispensing from the bottle then 2 drops is sufficient and should give you a good solid 5-6 hits/drop (5 sec pulls) yes the atty is a thirsty little bugger.

We need to define prime here. Prime = first time use only, after the initial prime all you need is to add 3-5 drops and vape away. I start with 3 and most time I am there after the atty was blown through. Sometimes I require 4 drops even 5, but no more.

 

[aprioristic]

The threads in the battery compartment are even cleaner now, though I had cleaned most of the black gunk before. My batteries were dying, so I will have to test later. I've done alcohol, but I will do pencil too later when it is charged.

I know IKV is supposed to be good stuff. If I clean with noalox and it still doesn't work, what else can I try? Maybe it comes then to needing a multimeter, taking it all apart, resoldering? I guess I could do that but is it worth the hassle?

I need 808 cartos so I might place another order from IKV. So much stuff is sold out though. I'm not sure I want to try 801 semi atties. Maybe wait until 306 is back.

First use today I dropped about 5, then 3 when it got low, and it was hitting great. Do I like need to burn out all the juice and not leave it sitting half full or else it will leak? Everything was downhill until I realized I needed to charge again though. I guess I was just overfilling, siince I was topping up 3 drops, didn't get much burning today.

 

[Switched]

Noalox is not a cleaner, it is an anti-oxidizer. I personally only use it on the threads of the tube.