So You Quit the Stinkers - But are you still hooked on Nicotine?
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It is a law of nature. OK, not really a law, but a scientific fact; one of my early trainings (besides construction and farm work) was in physics.
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Of course, it we want to argue on a deeper level we can remember about chemical bond expansion/contraction with temperature, but the effect so tiny that makes no sense in our case.
You know, for me it works in reverse. I tried to smoke cigars without inhaling (as an attempt of smoke cessation). It was no fun at all. I had to inhale to get needed nicotine. So I inhaled and instead of quitting got a taste for stronger stuff.
Well if anyone is interested anymore, I'm finding a lot of success so far with the eRoll combined with low nicotine juice. I've only had two analogs today, and the 2nd one tasted like crap and left me really not wanting another one.
Hubby and I also found another local vapor shop... and this one is reallllly nice. They make all e-juice on site and to order, so you can choose any flavor, pick the percentage of PG/VG you want and the nicotine strength you want and five minutes later it's in your hands. It's literally a few miles from my house. LOVE IT. I just bought a flavor that is waffles and maple syrup and it's SO good.
I feel like the eRoll is absolutely perfect for me as far as simulating the analog cigarette experience. I can take it out of the case, smoke it for a while and the put it away. The PCC lasted me all day without a problem. I used the carry case that provides extra room for a second assembled e-cig and it worked out really well. The only issue is that the two tanks do not hold enough to get through the whole day away from home, but this new vapor shop I discovered actually sells their fluid in small-tip bottles, so I can easily just put extras in my car for long days away from home.
I finally feel like I'm going to find some success now, and be off of tobacco for good very shortly. Finding the right equipment and adding a bit of nicotine is making all the difference.
Hubby and I also found another local vapor shop... and this one is reallllly nice. They make all e-juice on site and to order, so you can choose any flavor, pick the percentage of PG/VG you want and the nicotine strength you want and five minutes later it's in your hands. It's literally a few miles from my house. LOVE IT. I just bought a flavor that is waffles and maple syrup and it's SO good.
I feel like the eRoll is absolutely perfect for me as far as simulating the analog cigarette experience. I can take it out of the case, smoke it for a while and the put it away. The PCC lasted me all day without a problem. I used the carry case that provides extra room for a second assembled e-cig and it worked out really well. The only issue is that the two tanks do not hold enough to get through the whole day away from home, but this new vapor shop I discovered actually sells their fluid in small-tip bottles, so I can easily just put extras in my car for long days away from home.
I finally feel like I'm going to find some success now, and be off of tobacco for good very shortly. Finding the right equipment and adding a bit of nicotine is making all the difference.
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That's even more awesome than your last update, SmokinRabbit! For me, it took the switch from a 510 ecig (which seems like a longer, older eRoll, but I'm probably off) to an eGo setup to keep me smoke free for a while now. And, worry not, I'll be upgrading from this too, soon enough.
And don't mind everyone using this thread to discuss the finer points of the properties of nicotine and its consumption - it's apparently our favorite pastime.
And don't mind everyone using this thread to discuss the finer points of the properties of nicotine and its consumption - it's apparently our favorite pastime.
I thought about this further, and it may very well be that a given substance has a given molecule size, regardless of its medium of delivery; I don't know enough about chemistry to know one way or the other about that. So it may be that the other chemicals found in cigarette smoke, or the fact that it *is* smoke, it's formed of the burned substance of the cigarette, are what cause the absorption into the lungs; I seem to recall reading something about some of the "other" chemicals in cigarettes, that many are added just for this express purpose, to facilitate absorption. And conversely, the chemicals which deliver the nicotine in vapor, the PG/VG, may somehow interfere with that absorption in the lungs.
But that was still smoke, so of course it was natural to a cigarette-smoker to inhale, and be able to get the nicotine that way. As a former smoker, naturally at first I tried to inhale vapor in the same way, deeply into my lungs, and while I can be happy with that during the day, when my nic level is already established, it never worked worth a darn to *get* my nic level up, first thing in the morning. I had to consciously practice doing the slow inhales, and one night, practicing, I managed to get enough nicotine into my body -- vaping 6mg -- that I gave myself the sharp stomach pains, my first sign of nic OD, and I knew I had found the way to do it in the morning -- and since I started doing it that way in the morning, vaping 11mg, my morning cravings have disappeared. I vape that way for about 45-60 mins, and can then drop back to the 9.5 or 10 mg that is my daytime "normal", and vape it in any manner I choose, without suffering cravings -- though the WTA has been verrrrrrry helpful in delivering me from cravings! I expect after the 3mo time frame, I'll probably need to wean down slowly from that WTA, to just nicotine.
Andria
They're coming out with a new eRoll, the eRoll-C, and there's also going to be a new PCC for it, which will hold 3 eRolls, and 3 extra tanks. That'll make a very good product into a GREAT one, having a convenient place to charge/store 3, along with 3 extra tanks.
Andria
EDIT: the new PCC is backward-compatible to the old eRolls, so folks like us with the originals won't be left out in the cold!
No...used the same method to wean myself off cancer sticks, cut down a little each week.
Started by buying lesser nic juice and mixing it with higher ratio, then just started adding VG and flavor to nic blends until no more nic.
That's one less minkey on my back...now if I just curb my mod buying
Started by buying lesser nic juice and mixing it with higher ratio, then just started adding VG and flavor to nic blends until no more nic.
That's one less minkey on my back...now if I just curb my mod buying
Nope, slowly cut down on that too. So that minkey is off my back.
But now a 400 pound vape goodie buying gorilla is there.
But now a 400 pound vape goodie buying gorilla is there.
Thanks, and it's fine... I'm glad my question opened up a good discussion. I really believe we shouldn't be complacent about the ingredients in vaping including the nicotine... while it's a lot safer than smoking tobacco, it would be bad to find out in a few years that we're poisoning ourselves in some other way. Like the rest of you, I do think it's a safer alternative, I just hope we are all correct!
They're coming out with a new eRoll, the eRoll-C, and there's also going to be a new PCC for it, which will hold 3 eRolls, and 3 extra tanks. That'll make a very good product into a GREAT one, having a convenient place to charge/store 3, along with 3 extra tanks.
Andria
EDIT: the new PCC is backward-compatible to the old eRolls, so folks like us with the originals won't be left out in the cold!
Andria... that's great news. Any idea when the new one is coming out? I'm going to do some searching for info about in now.
I honestly think it's one of the best products out there for someone like me who really wants a cig-a-like!
Started my day today with an analog, but plan to attempt to go the whole day now with just vaping. I thought I'd need a real cigarette before bed last night, but I didn't, so I'm really proud of the fact that I only smoked two analogs all day yesterday. If I can go the rest of my life just smoking one stinker in the morning, I will call that success... but of course, the goal will be to never buy another pack again. The one I had this morning was the last one from an open pack, so I'll have to open another pack I having sitting in my kitchen... maybe I'll try to make it my goal to never open that pack at all.
Going to a family party today with inlaws... they are all going to be so happy I'm not smoking. They are all non-smokers.
Andria... that's great news. Any idea when the new one is coming out? I'm going to do some searching for info about in now.
I honestly think it's one of the best products out there for someone like me who really wants a cig-a-like!
Started my day today with an analog, but plan to attempt to go the whole day now with just vaping. I thought I'd need a real cigarette before bed last night, but I didn't, so I'm really proud of the fact that I only smoked two analogs all day yesterday. If I can go the rest of my life just smoking one stinker in the morning, I will call that success... but of course, the goal will be to never buy another pack again. The one I had this morning was the last one from an open pack, so I'll have to open another pack I having sitting in my kitchen... maybe I'll try to make it my goal to never open that pack at all.
Going to a family party today with inlaws... they are all going to be so happy I'm not smoking. They are all non-smokers.
No idea when; read it in a post here, so it could be an "unsubstantiated rumor" for all I know. I agree about it's excellence for those who *really want* that cigarette form factor; I wanted that, felt that I really needed that, but I wanted to be able to a) recharge, and b) choose my own flavors, and the eRoll fits that perfectly. But it didn't take me very long to get tired of the constant refills, even more than the short battery life; after getting stuck a few times, out somewhere without a spare tank handy, I was ready for the next step, as long as it included a much bigger tank!
When I first started, had first quit the smokes, we went to visit my folks and I took my eRolls with me of course, and my mom had a lot of jokes about "that woman's smoking a cigarette with blue fire!" But the next time we visited, I had already upgraded to an iTaste vv3 and a Kanger T3S tank, and it seemed she could find NOTHING to say about that, but her eyes sure did get wide! Then when I showed up with a Sigelei Zmax with a Kayfun on top... she says "it looks like your e-cig grows between every visit!"
Andria
I bought liquid from a local chain store that makes it just for you. You choose the amount of nicotine level you want, 32mg to 0mg, in increments of two. I went with a slightly lower mg recommended for my cigarette consumption. I am at 12mg. I just figured I would gradually decrease the amount of nicotine until I was at 0 and then eventually quit vaping. I have to say, though, I enjoy vaping thus far, today is day 9. I smoked 2 cigarettes and got a bit of a rush, but my lungs felt terrible .
Good luck in your research SmokinRabbit
. Good luck in your research SmokinRabbit
For some reason the 'molecular size of nicotine' debate erked me... probably just my inner geek.
so
Does the size of molecules change?
no, but the medium (or phase) that their in do
all that really matters is the delivery
as per the delivery of nicotine being more effective as smoke or vapor... well, that is the million dollar question.
Which I dont know the answer to
so
Does the size of molecules change?
no, but the medium (or phase) that their in do
all that really matters is the delivery
as per the delivery of nicotine being more effective as smoke or vapor... well, that is the million dollar question.
Which I dont know the answer to
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For some reason the 'molecular size of nicotine' debate erked me... probably just my inner geek.
so
Does the size of molecules change?
no, but the medium (or phase) that their in do
all that really matters is the delivery
as per the delivery of nicotine being more effective as smoke or vapor... well, that is the million dollar question.
Which I dont know the answer to
Very interesting! I found the 2nd one particularly instructive, as I had always had inner questions regarding water, ice, and steam, and that article answered them quite well.
It seems to me that both cigarette smoke and ejuice vapor are substances in the gas phase; but the cigarette smoke has, as well, extremely minute solid particles, which are deposited on the lungs as "tar," and which are the most dangerous aspect of smoking. I think the molecular action of nicotine is somewhat of a "so what?" question; if you inhale to the lungs, you necessarily get [whatever] in your mouth as well. With smoke, we all learned as neophyte smokers that the best way to get whatever-it-is-we-loved from cigarettes was to inhale deeply. Now as vapers, we find that this is not really the most effective way to get nicotine into our systems, so we adjust, finding a way to soothe both our [need?] for nicotine and our old behavioral habit. Humans are extremely adaptable, which is the key to our evolutionary success.
Andria
But the carrier is not. The nicotine carriers from smoking cigarettes are particulates. The nicotine carriers from vaping is vapor. Particulates are much smaller that vapor droplets, therefore much more easily absorbed by the lungs.
I am now down to 6 mg -3mg. I still crave a smoke once in a while but the cravings are so easy to pass with vaping. The cravings get less and less. I would say it's not really a craving anymore just a thought and it passes. I don't dwell on not having one because if I do then I will get a full blown craving. Smoking is the past for me now.
Yes, there's no question at all that I'm still hooked on nicotine. So what?
I smoked for 36 years, 2 PAD most days for the last 10-15 years. I feel much healthier since I switched to vaping last December and I have no desire to quit nicotine consumption, just as I have no desire to quit drinking coffee. I vape pretty much constantly throughout the day, but on those rare occasions when I go someplace I can't vape for a while, I've noticed that the craving to vape is not as urgent as the craving to smoke was.
6-8 ml of 15mg juice per day. But that doesn't tell us what my plasma nicotine levels are compared to when I was smoking, does it?
I my sense is they're actually higher. Why? Well, for many years I've used nicotine gum on airplanes to control the urge to open the emergency exit to climb out on the wing for a smoke at 35,000 feet. A 4mg piece of gum used to give me a noticeable nic buzz. I've only resorted to it once since I started vaping, and although the gum still did the trick, the buzz was noticeably absent. Caveat: The gum I used was expired, so it's possible it was down on potency. I should probably get a fresh supply for my upcoming transatlantic trip in September.
I honestly don't see how this is possible.
I'm thinking that has everything to do with device. I use cigalike batts with 1ml clearos. I would say most I've ever done in a day was 5 ml, and average most I have in any given month is 3 ml in a day. Otherwise, I'm somewhere between .5 and 3 ml in a day.
In my previous post on this thread I said I was averaging .5 ml a day for past week (which was about 2 weeks ago). Now, I'm up to a walloping 1.5 ml a day average.
Seems like a significant tradeoff if it is device that would cause 3 to 8 times more juice per day. Though speaking to a crowd that mostly uses 2nd and 3rd generation devices and I'm sure I'll be speaking for the extreme minority.
It doesn't seem like all that much to me; I probably vape 5-6 ml per day, although I use so many different tanks, it's hard to know for sure. I use 2 Kayfuns, which seem to hold about 4ml, and I seem to need to top them off about every 2-3 days; also use a 5ml UDCT which probably only *actually* holds about 4ml, and I top it up about every other day. The kayfuns for sure probably use a lot of juice per puff, considering the rich flavor and TH they offer.
What I can't imagine are these folks that go thru 20ml per day -- or more -- because of their silly drippers. I couldn't *afford* to use that much ejuice!!! And I have no clue how they're not on the ceiling with nicotine jitters, every minute of the day.
Andria
Bottom-feeding mods with Cyclone atties on 'em. No problem. It also helps that I'm in an environment where I can vape as much as I want whenever I want.
Nicotine jitters? What's that?
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