Some info on cartos for tanks lifespan

[Morandir835]

Before the trip to Alabama started on this, used the trip down and the first day here to complete it. This test was done with nuport wow 36mg all from the same batch (17102011) on 3 cartos from each ohm/coil type. No cleaning was done, just ran them to the point they would no longer fire. These were all run on king diamond manuals, though after this info will have some additional notes not on those batts. Used a 6ml tank only holds 4.5ml's of juice, the carto holds the other 1.5ml to do this test, the tank is marked at every .5ml's, and filled it every time to the 5.5ml line.

1.5ohm DC carto-

Carto A- Actual ohms (AO) 1.4ohms, amount of of juice before failure (AJF) 72ml's.
Carto B- AO 1.5ohms, AJF 66.5ml's
Carto C- AO 1.4ohms, AJF 69ml's

2.0ohm DC carto-

Carto A- AO 2.1ohms, AJF 67ml's
Carto B- AO 1.9ohms, AJF 71ml's
Carto C- AO 1.9ohms, AJF 66ml's

As we can see the dual coil cartos last a good 10-12 refills before failure. It's what was expected, have never had much success cleaning them, but the lifespan on them balances this out. Used a carto of each on an umentioinable at higher voltage. Again using nuport wow 36mg same batch-

1.5ohm dc at 4.7v- 58ml's
1.9ohm dc at 5.4v- 53ml's

As we can see the higher voltage will wear them out earlier, have other unofficial tests that shows it, those are estimated used though so won't post them.

Now for the single coils.

2.0ohm single coil-

Carto A- AO 1.8ohms, AJF 26ml's
Carto B- AO 2.1ohms, AJF 38ml's
Carto C- AO 2.0ohms, AJF 21ml's

3.0ohm single coil-

Carto A- AO 2.8ohms, AJF 31ml's
Carto B- AO 3.1ohms, AJF 24ml's
Carto C- AO 2.9ohms, AJF 19ml's

As we can see a lot less time before failure, but that's only half the story. First off these can be cleaned 2-3 times before needing to be tossed (no way to really dry them well yet, if there was sure could get more uses), and the story changes at higher voltage.

1.9ohm sc at 6V- 56ml's
3.1ohm sc at 6v- 57ml's

If you're using the tanks on a king diamond/stealth (vt or not) batt or the 808ego suggest going with the dual coils. If you're using the pt, a mod, or something higher voltage, singles get far closer the same throughput of juice as the dc's. Hope this helps.

 

[krazie_Kid]

Hey Morandir, thank's for giving this information out, I was curious on how long they lasted. I am happy to hear that they work on the original King Diamonds as well.

I have a quick question though, does the new Diamonds last a lot longer then the old series? I just woke up and having a nic fit, so I am trying to find both of your posts.

EDIT: For the XL styles, if you know off the top of your head, please and thank you.

 

[Morandir835]

The manuals last longer than the autos Krazie sir, but no real difference in run times on a vt manual vs. a non-vt. The vt king diamond autos (the "sealed" ones) last a little longer due to the new ic compared to their unsealed counterparts, but not a major difference. Hope this helps sir.

 

[dedi]

Before the trip to Alabama started on this, used the trip down and the first day here to complete it. This test was done with nuport wow 36mg all from the same batch (17102011) on 3 cartos from each ohm/coil type. No cleaning was done, just ran them to the point they would no longer fire. These were all run on king diamond manuals, though after this info will have some additional notes not on those batts. Used a 6ml tank only holds 4.5ml's of juice, the carto holds the other 1.5ml to do this test, the tank is marked at every .5ml's, and filled it every time to the 5.5ml line.

1.5ohm DC carto-

Carto A- Actual ohms (AO) 1.4ohms, amount of of juice before failure (AJF) 72ml's.
Carto B- AO 1.5ohms, AJF 66.5ml's
Carto C- AO 1.4ohms, AJF 69ml's

2.0ohm DC carto-

Carto A- AO 2.1ohms, AJF 67ml's
Carto B- AO 1.9ohms, AJF 71ml's
Carto C- AO 1.9ohms, AJF 66ml's

As we can see the dual coil cartos last a good 10-12 refills before failure. It's what was expected, have never had much success cleaning them, but the lifespan on them balances this out. Used a carto of each on an umentioinable at higher voltage. Again using nuport wow 36mg same batch-

1.5ohm dc at 4.7v- 58ml's
1.9ohm dc at 5.4v- 53ml's

As we can see the higher voltage will wear them out earlier, have other unofficial tests that shows it, those are estimated used though so won't post them.

Now for the single coils.

2.0ohm single coil-

Carto A- AO 1.8ohms, AJF 26ml's
Carto B- AO 2.1ohms, AJF 38ml's
Carto C- AO 2.0ohms, AJF 21ml's

3.0ohm single coil-

Carto A- AO 2.8ohms, AJF 31ml's
Carto B- AO 3.1ohms, AJF 24ml's
Carto C- AO 2.9ohms, AJF 19ml's

As we can see a lot less time before failure, but that's only half the story. First off these can be cleaned 2-3 times before needing to be tossed (no way to really dry them well yet, if there was sure could get more uses), and the story changes at higher voltage.

1.9ohm sc at 6V- 56ml's
3.1ohm sc at 6v- 57ml's

If you're using the tanks on a king diamond/stealth (vt or not) batt or the 808ego suggest going with the dual coils. If you're using the pt, a mod, or something higher voltage, singles get far closer the same throughput of juice as the dc's. Hope this helps.

The 1.5dc came with the first tanks right? What is (AJF)? When you say "failure" is that as in totally dead?
I am trying to figure how where I am going wrong........my tests/experiments are NOWHERE as accurate as your I am sure! In fact, more observations as anything!
I have been using the tanks for only about 3 weeks with manual diamonds. I am finding that I am using only about 3/4 of a 30ml bottle before the tank/carto starts to bubble/blurble, then starts to draw hard and looses flavor. It does not die but just isn't fun anymore.........lol I have no clue how much longer that it could be vaped b/c I discontinue using it. I have cleaned one so far, refilled and tried again with same results by the end of that 2nd reuse/refill. Per SD I think he sd beyond that, time for a new one.
So my question is I guess about the "failure" time and difference in lifespan of tanks? Maybe it's the juice factor? WOW Cappuccino and TT 36 mgs.
Thx for your info, good as always! Just trying to get a handle on the all the new stuff! lol
Dedi

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Dedi AJF is amount of juice before failure. The cartos stopped producing vapor as they should and leaking issues followed. The diapers around the coils on the dc where clogged completely. This test was only done with nuport wow, it's in the range of 75/25-70/30 max pg/vg ratio. Higher the vg, certain flavors, etc. will not last as long as others. Give you good example, using smilin premium a 90/10 pg/vg mix max can get as many as 90ml's through a singfle 1.5ohm dc (yes those are the ones the tanks ship with), with peacemaker though a very high vg juice (in the range of 55/45 or so judging by it's viscosity) will only get 24-30ml's. The juice plays a key factor. This is a small example, but can tell you that peacemaker in a 3.0ohm single coil tank with a kd batt only got about 9ml's before death, so the numbers remain consistent percentage wise it seems. Hope this helps.

 

[chimchim]

This is awesome info! Thanks so much!

 

[katz-in-boots]

Thanks M'Dir, really useful info.

 

[krazie_Kid]

Oh no I am sorry Morandir, I ment for the old style diamond's to the new style XL's, I was wondering if the new ones lasted like a half hour or more longer.

 

[Tennovan]

Thanks M, I was gonna pick up a batch of SC cartos the other day and opted to instead stick with DC... glad I did. Using Outlaw Apple, I usually only run about 20ml through a 1.5 ohm DC -- I start to notice a drop in flavor and vapor at that point. I'm sure I could get a lot more juice through it but prefer to just switch it out. And like you, I haven't had luck in cleaning them. Actually I've had less luck cleaning them than I've had with CoolCarts.

 

[Morandir835]

Here's the info on the 2.5ohm dc tank replacement cartos:

2.5ohm dual coil-

Carto A- AO 2.4ohms, AJF 57ml's
Carto B- AO 2.5ohms, AJF 52ml's
Carto C- AO 2.6ohms, AJF 56ml's

At higher voltage-

2.4ohm actual ohms at 6.0v- 43ml's

 

[katz-in-boots]

Thanks M'Dir. I've used 2 x 1.5ohm (not tested, of course) tank cartos.
The first one I used for several days, washed it 3 times. The 2nd one I used for 2 days and the airway was blocked. I poked a needle in it - it was greeny-black putrid and I couldn't clear it. That's only probably 4 fills of a 3.5ml tank.

What would account for that short life-span? Can cleaning extend their life-spans, or is this an anomoly?

 

[SnowDragon]

Hello my darling Katz, the next time you toss in a fresh a dual carto try using it until it literally starts gurgling. Tank cartos really don't need as much care as standard 1 ml cartos and you should be getting 20+ fills before it starts gurgling.

 

[katz-in-boots]

Hello to you too, my adorable Snow . What do you mean by "gurgling"? So far my tank cartos sizzle, hiss & pop like a Cool Carto, all the time except when the battery is running out.
I know I don't have much experience with the tank cartos yet, having only killed two, but it seems to me that when they stop sizzling, they are on the way out.
This particular one that gave out after a couple of days, the airway was totally blocked, and I couldn't clear it. It had also tasted a little icky, which is why I looked closely at it. Should they be clogged with greeny-black gunk after a couple of days?

My dear Snow, I despair! Am I doomed to forever kill my cartos before their time is due?

 

[MsOceanCity]

Hey Katz, what juice were you using?

 

[katz-in-boots]

Hey Katz, what juice were you using?

Wow Nuport. Because there wasn't any 4mg when I ordered, it's a mix of the most recent batch of 8mg mixed with an older batch of 0mg - a more 'sugary' batch - don't know if this makes any difference. I'm definitely not getting the same problem with my Wow Wowboy Peppermint.

One thing I noticed is that two purple OVK XLs I got in my last order seem to get hotter than the other batteries I have (a mix of XL & regular OVKs & soft touch Titans). I haven't used the purple ones at all on this carto, so I can try to isolate the variables in this. Another variable, so far I'm using 1.5ohm cartos, but I now have 2.0 ohms to try.

In fact, I just went back & used the carto that's been going for 4 days now and it tasted 'off' so I decided to pull it apart & take a look. Here you go, this is what the inside of my carto looks like after 4 days (approx 8 fills):

Yep, that's right. In actual fact this is browner than the last one, which was more a greyish/greeny black colour. (This picture is browner than real life though) I could see the greyish green on the top of the polyfill before pulling the carto apart. You can see the residual juice has also has made the paper towel beneath a burned, browny colour So what's going on here? Am I burning the inside, is it clogging with the sugary residue? Ideas, anyone?

 

[TheBlueAdept]

Looks like carmelized sugars, but I'm far from an expert!

 

[Morandir835]

Ms. Katz have to agree with BlueAdept sir, that's caramelized juice. The high sugar batch of nuport wow was infamous for doing that to a wow carto, will be worse on a dual coil due to the higher heat.

 

[EleanorR]

I am actually taking the plunge into tanks with yesterday's order . . . we'll see if I can do it or not.

Morandir, you have NO IDEA how very, very helpful this post was in deciding what to get, why-to-get-it, and what replacement cartos to order . . .

Thank You!

 

[jbmcdan]

+1 el -- thanks for doing this, mr. morandir

 

[Morandir835]

No problem at all Lady Eleanor and Ms. Jbmcdan.

Have some other info for tomorrow now that the migraine is going away and off tomorrow. Finally have all the slim line/charging cycles info together, and offically done testing wattages on premium flavors...