Some truth about Greece and other nations

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Rick.45cal

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I'm going to bite my tongue here... or try too

The world's masses are effectively subjugated, the American public is subjugated. Anyone not familiar with subjugation should look it up.

I will leave you with the truth, from a man that really knew... "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." -Benjamin Franklin
 
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As always I am too long winded to express my opinions and on this matter, I can't even begin to vent. Instead I will simply offer an old analogy. If you don't get it, that's okay but it is not meant to be humorous in the slightest. I'm sure Rick and Ripple and some others will get it.

How to cook a frog: You can't take a frog and try to throw him into hot water on the stove. His physical attributes are such that when he hit the hot water, his reflective instincts would flex his powerful legs and propel him out of the pan. Would he be injured? Sure but he would live to fight on.

To cook a frog, you must place him in a pan of comfortable water. You slowly increase the heat and relax his powerful leg muscles. By the time the frog realizes he is in serious danger, the same legs that save him from the hot pan are now relaxed and can no longer serve to propel him from the water. It is then that the frog realizes it is too late for him and there is nothing he can do even as the heat continues to be turned up and his situation comes to an end.

Like I say, it is an analogy only and not meant to be anything but an indirect example of the state of affairs for the masses today. The pan (the world) is full of relaxed frogs (the masses) from the slow elevation of the heat. I truly hope there are enough frogs left that are not in that state left to make a difference.
 

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The saying, "No smoke without fire." comes to mind.
Perhaps.

Having modded a Econ forum after the post '08 meltdown, there is a lot of BS out there. Step one was getting past the conspiracy of the US government and the death camps planned to be used to weed out the economic non-providers. Google it, they are still out there. . After that it was the wave of doom and gloom pessimists, with their all crafted stats. and more doom and gloom videos, many of which could be traced back to bogus gold scammers. I finally had enough and requested exit several months ago.

The problem as I saw it is that the average american has no clue what actually happened in Oct 2008, what lead up to it, and the reifications, which I find disturbing. More disturbing is was the abuse of that fear on the likes of you-tube.

What's happening in europe is a repeat of that pattern. People are uncertain so they grasp for answers, conspiracists on you-tube provides. Many a 911 truther videos out there as well; Existing, does not give a status of 'truth'.

That said, this is probably not the place for economic theories. Plenty of places to go for that.
 

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And sadly, the average citizen has either no interest in their own fiscal future other than how it affects their credit card rates or mortgage rates. Conspiracy theories are having life breathed into them by the same who are "too busy" or simply find it easier to accept a theory based on imaginations rather than take the time to find the truth.

Whether one chooses to call them conspiracies or not, the fact remains that it is easier to blame problems on beings or entities that the average citizen feels they have no control over directly. Sad indictment on the general public at large but the over used teminology "sheep" does seen apropos at times.
 

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conspiracies happens everyday. Nothing is true when you climb the steps of "success". Democracy simply doent exist. The way people are represented is silly. We choose 300 people to represend us. But the system pays those people to not do our work. Its because its much easier for the system to pay 300 people to not speak the truth than pay 10.000.000 what they really deserve.
 
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conspiracies happens everyday. Nothing is true when you climb the steps of "success". Democracy simply doent exist. The way people are represented is silly. We choose 300 people to represend as. But the system pays those people to not do our work. Its because its much easier for the system to pay 300 people to not speak the truth than pay 10.000.000 what they really deserve.

Bingo!!!!

Conspiracies don't matter, no matter how ridiculous the claim, no matter how absurd the possiblilities presented. It doesn't matter what the disinformation is, only that there is disinformation. Subjugation is based on withholding the truth, or only presenting a version of it. Anyone who thinks the instant news media provides you the truth (the absolute truth) is one of the "suckers" P.T. Barnum was talking about. Subjugation plays on the psychological aspects of the human animal. You don't have to sell an absurd idea to someone who wants to believe it. Even if only a minority of the population "buy into" something, you have now created a cloud around the "truth". Each time the "truth" becomes a little less clear, underlying motivations and factors of those involved gets pushed from the forefront into obscurity. We spend our time talking about "what ifs" instead of seeing "what is."

"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -Benjamin Franklin
 

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It just seems like we are returning to the feudal system, the wealthy behind high walls and protected by private security and bought governments, and the peasants remain uninformed as they scratch for sustenance.......

Now instead of a garrison of guards, they have PMC's (Private Military Corporations) a.k.a. defense "contractors." Hell the U.S. Military can't even operate effectively without the private sector PMC's anymore.
 

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What I don't understand..who the ........ are these rating-agents? Who give them the permission to say which country is "good" and which not. Today it is Greece, and tomorrow it is Germany...the USA are more bust, but nobody cares about that...

This is easy to be answered, bg. The most owners of the rating-agencies are greedy investment-banks or companies owned by greedy billionaires - and from both groups the majority is in the US. So USA isn't in a real danger to get a lower rating. This crisis is just made by speculants and Greece was the first victim and easy to catch.
The odd thing is, the countries have to pay money to this agencies to get rated - e.g. Austria is paying 600k USD per year for its rating. And there are no consequences for wrong ratings.

The problem of european countries is that the european community has a wrong political system even the base idea of the EU is good. The european economy is a oil tanker with 28 captains, this can't work.
Another point is that existing laws and regulations are not preventing such speculations. They make money based on nothing, there's no real value behind. At the end someone has to pay this money - the people.
 
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