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Outlaw the alternative and increase the taxes on what they sell.....it's not about reducing the number of smokers. If they wanted to do that they would simply ban all tobacco products.
It's about $$$....it's always about $$$$ where governments are concerned. Look at what they've done in the states with cigarette taxes.
It's about $$$....it's always about $$$$ where governments are concerned. Look at what they've done in the states with cigarette taxes.
I have been following the situation in Greece. The Greek FDA and the department of health are involved. They will probably end up banning nicotine for juice. It looks like they already have based in some legislation passed and not enforced yet. I don't think they can impose a special tax since the EU governs those. Also, I don't think they can ban the product but they might ban smoking in certain places. I don't think the can stop the device since moding is always an option and purchasing a battery and an atomizer is not the same with purchasing a KIT or a fully assembled ecig. They can slow down the success of the product for sure and that is what they are doing for the friends of the sold out Greek politicians. Greece will probably end up like Canada which has similar e-cig related legislation to several European counties.
I am disgusted. I am so upset over this. The health system in Greece becomes increasingly strained. Greek citizens are suffering from the tremendous austerity measures. About 200,000-300,000 Greeks (from a total of 10,000,000) have left the county within the past year or two. No, that is not enough for the politicians for once to think and act in a way that puts the best interest of the common citizen above, in this case, the tobacco companies.
The e-cig had gained incredible momentum within the last few months in Greece. Tobacco sales have declined sharply partially due to the difficult economic times and partially due to the e-cig. The government increased cigarette taxes as well as rolling tobacco taxes since many smokers were switching to rolling their own. Immediately after the announcement of the new tax measures came the announcements regarding the e-cig.
Keep in mind that this is happening in country that passed a law for night clubs to close at something like 3AM (Greece is a tourist country so in the summers places are hoping 24-7). When trying to ban certain gabling video games they also banned all video games…. All this was repealed since people do not follow laws that make no sense.
I hope that the Greeks resist. I hope they use this as an opportunity to clean house. All these politicians have to go. Middle class is suffering, provided expensive cigarettes and restricted personal choices.
I am disgusted. I am so upset over this. The health system in Greece becomes increasingly strained. Greek citizens are suffering from the tremendous austerity measures. About 200,000-300,000 Greeks (from a total of 10,000,000) have left the county within the past year or two. No, that is not enough for the politicians for once to think and act in a way that puts the best interest of the common citizen above, in this case, the tobacco companies.
The e-cig had gained incredible momentum within the last few months in Greece. Tobacco sales have declined sharply partially due to the difficult economic times and partially due to the e-cig. The government increased cigarette taxes as well as rolling tobacco taxes since many smokers were switching to rolling their own. Immediately after the announcement of the new tax measures came the announcements regarding the e-cig.
Keep in mind that this is happening in country that passed a law for night clubs to close at something like 3AM (Greece is a tourist country so in the summers places are hoping 24-7). When trying to ban certain gabling video games they also banned all video games…. All this was repealed since people do not follow laws that make no sense.
I hope that the Greeks resist. I hope they use this as an opportunity to clean house. All these politicians have to go. Middle class is suffering, provided expensive cigarettes and restricted personal choices.
Where have you been getting information? Google pretty much took me to the link posted, but not much else other than a chinese news site referencing the analog price increase, but, as expert opinion, but not legislative. Not that I doubt you, just hopping to get more info.
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Argentina banned them for the same reasons. I know people there that macerate tobacco and extract in pg then blend in vg and then flavor. Most of them use rebuildable attys and drip because they, and the juice become the weak link in the supply chain. Pv's are really just battery holders. One reason why i own only GG's is they are lifetime machines. A hundred yards of kanthal will last a lifetime. same with wick material.
More importantly, I hope we, as a society learn that socialism is bad, redistribution of wealth is wrong and that the new world order movement can be pushed back. Hope and change is BS
More importantly, I hope we, as a society learn that socialism is bad, redistribution of wealth is wrong and that the new world order movement can be pushed back. Hope and change is BS
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From the Greek media, TV, internet etc. I don't think anybody knows what is going on exactly. Some announcements seemed like conclusions from the Greek FDA about the safety of e-cigs, some announcements from the department of public health showed intention to ban nicotine, some limit the usage in public areas in the same manner as cigarettes and some appeared to be actions to be taken immediately based upon previous legislation. I was not able to make any sense out of it and looking on-line at discussions amongst Greeks it does not seem that anybody had a clear idea of what this all means. There were allot of emotions though. The media had a change of hart the second day. Most people in Greece are outraged at the shamelessness of public officials. Greek vapers may not be as organized and substantial as in some other counties especially the US. However, Greeks are outraged with their public officials, and given how devastating smoking is and will increasingly be for the country due to the resulting illnesses, I think Greek vapers will have much more support from smokers and non smokers/vapers than in ket say the US. The fact also is that Greece has a much higher percentage of smokers than the US.
Thanks. Gotcha.
The only corresponding link I could find was this : Experts suggest cigarette price increase in Greece's new anti-tobacco campaign|chinadaily.com.cn
Still trying to figure out the original.. It sites nothing, Words a DOT opinion on ecigs on flights as a "US Ban" as other mis-information. Something just isn't right since it's not crowd sourced, nor has gotten any media traction. Not to say there isn't something going on, just trying to figure it out.
Common phase is "When there is smoke there is fire".. My skeptical nature makes me look for mirrors rather than fire, and question why they are there.
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Side note, and don't let this derail things:
The only corresponding link I could find was this : Experts suggest cigarette price increase in Greece's new anti-tobacco campaign|chinadaily.com.cn
Still trying to figure out the original.. It sites nothing, Words a DOT opinion on ecigs on flights as a "US Ban" as other mis-information. Something just isn't right since it's not crowd sourced, nor has gotten any media traction. Not to say there isn't something going on, just trying to figure it out.
Common phase is "When there is smoke there is fire".. My skeptical nature makes me look for mirrors rather than fire, and question why they are there.
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Side note, and don't let this derail things:
Cronyism masquerading as capitalism, isn't much better, as we have seen.
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It all comes down to whose NOT getting paid and is a shame the Analog Companies don't embrace the device and fill the demand for an easy to get Nic-Juice and Vaping device... why not sell FDA regulated nicotine extracts... Easy to get... SAFE... able to be purchased from any gas station, liquor store, health store or pharmacy... NICOTINE IS ADDICTIVE... They have fields of it... Why not satisfy all NIC junkies from the Smoggers to the Foggers...Everybody gets paid... Creates Jobs... Even makes them look good for not killing off the NIC junkies... Keeping customers and creating more over a longer timeline... From a numbers standpoint it just makes good sense from any and every angle.... and would greatly effect the premature loss of customers by death ... I mean really they can make chewing tobacco why not Nicquid??? I feel that maybe we should be lobbying the tobacco companies to be a supplier and embrace the market as they have the money and resources to profit from an alternative to Nicotine addiction that doesn't kill off its customers.... the entire battle against e-cigs is absurd and makes no sense at all... Completely illogical to ban e-cigs from any standpoint... Health, Profit, Regulation and Taxation.. all the greedy b*stards win... Not to mention the decline in cigarette related brush fires, burns, litter and waste... MY GOD MAN!!! its a no brainer... on a side note I do however feel vapers should show the same respect to public places as a smoker would or is regulated by law even if it is just water vapor... there is no sense in creating waves and upsetting the anit-smoggers or foggers.... and that's my standpoint in a nutshell...
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I have a feeling that maybe these big companies are trying to cash in from our world. The best way to do it is to eliminate the competition, hence the banning. Once all our eliquid friends are out, and the laws/regulations are in place, you might then start to see Marlboro brand ecigs.
In Austria we have a similar situation, because of the confusing situation with laws it is not clear if liquid with nicotine is a product from the tobacco industry or from the pharma industry - this ends up in an Austrian way to handle it: Trading of liquid with nicotine is prohibited but it's allowed to own/use it. As long as it is sold legally anywhere in the EU we are allowed buying and importing liquid with nicotine due to EU regulations, but we can not buy it here.
The sarcastic point is, that pharmacies are selling very small e-cigs with nicotine at a real high price since years, but they are declared as a pharmacy product.
Greece could put a special tax for ecigs in place, but this would make no sense as there is no control at the customs within the EU. As an example, we have an additional tax for vehicles here, but this is easier to handle as you need a licence plate.
This is just a discussion about money and who's going to get it.
At some point (and I hope it's after I am long gone from this earth), the old "comedy" skits where a servent runs up to his or her royal majesty and says "The peasants are revolting!" and the royal type says "Indeed they are. And they dress poorly too".
Pure corn I know but history is cyclic. It has happened before and will again.
Pure corn I know but history is cyclic. It has happened before and will again.
You better believe it, they stink on ice"...
I think this will go the way of the camera industry. When digital came out, the film and camera industry freaked out but then they shifted their business model and embraced digital and actually shifted over instead of fighting it.
Dont let the Bilderberg bastridges win!
On Thursday the Health Department announced ban of NIC e-cig products sale in Greece, only non-nic liquids are allowed. Of course, there are many e-liquid stores around and they still sell liquids with nic.
Unfortunately, all info I have for the matter is in Greek - if someone understands Greek here is a great link - Zougla online - - the article refers to the interview that was given from the secretary of the Health Department and it also claims that Greek FDA has not reached such desicion (of banning nic and e-cigs in general) yet and they will investigate the matter on Monday.
Unfortunately, all info I have for the matter is in Greek - if someone understands Greek here is a great link - Zougla online - - the article refers to the interview that was given from the secretary of the Health Department and it also claims that Greek FDA has not reached such desicion (of banning nic and e-cigs in general) yet and they will investigate the matter on Monday.
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I think the best thing would be to wait and see how things develop on Monday.
The fact is that in Greece
1) Cigarette sales have dropped sharply in the past months due to the general austerity in the country and the increase of e-cig / e-liquid sales as the product rapidly spreads in popularity.
2) Government revenues from tobacco taxes have also been markedly reduced ( an increase of abt 20% in tobacco tax has been announced) .
It is really hypocritical that on one side you try to ban the sale of a product that is reducing your tax revenue and on the other hand you try to increase taxes to cover the drop in the same revenue.
I don't think (hope ) however that it will be put into effect. Even if it does , it is too easy in the EU to purchase the product from other EU countries .
Also implementation will create mass public outrage as at the same time you are denying the users a healthy way to continue their habit and also penalizing them should they continue to smoke.
Let's see.
time will tell.
I think the best thing would be to wait and see how things develop on Monday.
The fact is that in Greece
1) Cigarette sales have dropped sharply in the past months due to the general austerity in the country and the increase of e-cig / e-liquid sales as the product rapidly spreads in popularity.
2) Government revenues from tobacco taxes have also been markedly reduced ( an increase of abt 20% in tobacco tax has been announced) .
It is really hypocritical that on one side you try to ban the sale of a product that is reducing your tax revenue and on the other hand you try to increase taxes to cover the drop in the same revenue.
I don't think (hope ) however that it will be put into effect. Even if it does , it is too easy in the EU to purchase the product from other EU countries .
Also implementation will create mass public outrage as at the same time you are denying the users a healthy way to continue their habit and also penalizing them should they continue to smoke.
Let's see.
time will tell.
WOW that just really sucks big time. I see the USA having issues as the big company lobbyist hit the ground running. Way too much money at stake to just set back and hope it doesn't work. It has always been about the money and the health issue was just a line to the means. Very SAD indeed
My opinion is that this is just to make some "bad noise" for the new e-cig users ...They want to scare the future e-cig users about buying and use of the e-cig ...The hole story is complicated.. They are all corrupted ...
Living in Greece is really difficult (the last months)
Living in Greece is really difficult (the last months)
Greek TV and newspapers said that e-cigs are carcinogenic.
Greek FDA said that only liquids with 0 nic will be allowed.
The bad thing is that politicians make desisions without talking with people that have a knowledge about every issue. They dont talk to anyone, only between them. They make their desisions only with their poor knowledge about everything. And of course their desisions are based on how they will make more money. I dont expect anything from them. Its like the daddy that comes drunk everynight back to home and beats his children.
I said it before and I will say it again. If you have no skills to anything then you become a politician.
ok, they said that e-cigs are carcinogenic. Is nic carcinogenic? I didnt know that but politicians and reporters knows better lol
Does e-cig pollute environment?
Do other people around e-smokers inhale carcinogenic substances?
Is there any real reason to ban e-cigs? I dont see any. The only I see is that money and stupidity rules the world
Greek FDA said that only liquids with 0 nic will be allowed.
The bad thing is that politicians make desisions without talking with people that have a knowledge about every issue. They dont talk to anyone, only between them. They make their desisions only with their poor knowledge about everything. And of course their desisions are based on how they will make more money. I dont expect anything from them. Its like the daddy that comes drunk everynight back to home and beats his children.
I said it before and I will say it again. If you have no skills to anything then you become a politician.
ok, they said that e-cigs are carcinogenic. Is nic carcinogenic? I didnt know that but politicians and reporters knows better lol
Does e-cig pollute environment?
Do other people around e-smokers inhale carcinogenic substances?
Is there any real reason to ban e-cigs? I dont see any. The only I see is that money and stupidity rules the world
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