Something better than Smoktech RSST?

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I like my little Smoktech RSST, but I hate the screw down coil mounting. Posts would be much better IMO!

Either several cheap units w/ tanks that for different flavors, or one expensive unit w/o tank to use for dripping whatever flavor I feel like at the moment.

It will go on a Vamo V5 w/ LG 35 amp batteries - aiming for 1.2 - 2.4 ohm coils using twisted kanthal. (Twisted leads are springy.)

BTW I prefer silica to cotton...don't like cotton mouth.

Recommendations?
 
Don't like replying to myself...but anyway decided to go with a setup that turned out perfectly.

Smok Magneto Mod
Smok Ohm/Volt tester
OWC-11 Dripping Atomizer (airflow set to 1/3)
4 x 0.5 ohm pre-wrapped coils (2 in series, 2 in parallel) -> measured: 0.3 ohm (may be closer to 0.4)
Vitreous 510 Drip Tip - Type B (glass, angled, wide)
Japanese cotton (no cotton-mouth from this so far)

roughly USD 115

This took a while to build due to small screws and 4 coils, but the result is perfect for me. First hit was super dry but only because I didn't have enough juice in there. I'm using 35-amp batteries btw. 0.3 ohm atty and 4.1v from charged battery works out to about 53 watts and 13 amps.

Cloud-ish, warm vapor, lots of flavor. :laugh:
 
Thanks, I have a multimeter around here somewhere. Just touch the leads to the atty with the multimeter set it to ohms, right?

Also is heat a common problem? Both the RSST and IGO-W11 get hot to the touch after a little vaping. I presume this is why they are made from thick metal, to act as heatsinks. But is there a way to keep it cooler, or quickly cool it down once hot?
 

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Thanks, I have a multimeter around here somewhere. Just touch the leads to the atty with the multimeter set it to ohms, right?

Also is heat a common problem? Both the RSST and IGO-W11 get hot to the touch after a little vaping. I presume this is why they are made from thick metal, to act as heatsinks. But is there a way to keep it cooler, or quickly cool it down once hot?

I find it easiest to touch the black COM lead to the 510 threading on the atomiser and the red lead to the 510 pin. I get a better reading if I really hold them securely. Also remember to touch the leads together to see what the internal resistance of the multimeter leads are, and then subtract that number from the reading on the atomiser.

For example I know my multimeter resistance alone is 0.1ohms so if it reads 0.7ohms on the atty it's more like 0.6 ohms.

Hope that helps.
 
Thanks, will try that at some point.

Ran into problem with 1st build (above)... 2 coils were clean and 2 were gunked. Checked screws and resistance remained at 0.3 ohms... I'm thinking the 2 serial + 2 parallel build was a very bad idea.

Ran into an interesting problem with 2nd build... 4 strands twisted 32 guage coil to 2.0 ohm with close to 5 mm coil diameter. Then made 4 of those coils, all in parallel, resulting in a 0.5 ohm RDA. Wicked with same Japanese cotton...3 small hits later super nic-sick (dizzy, lightheaded, coughing, reduced reaction time).

Thing is, there was practically no vapor and tons of hot air. Took it apart, tested coils - took forever to heat up. Put in freshly charged battery, same effect. Decided to rip it out. My theory is the twisted coils acted as their own heatsinks and dissipated heat faster than it could build up, resulting in unvaporised juice becoming airborne in the hot air. Very little vapor, lots of hot air and very nic-sick...

3rd attempt was excellent. Used 28 gauge kanthal and wrapped 9/10 times at 3.0 mm diameter for ~ 2.0 ohm coils. Put 4 in parallel for ~ 0.5 ohm atty. Coils began to glow red after a few seconds (on a used battery). Rolled same wicks as from 2nd attempt tighter and inserted them with a bit of effort. Worked fine, warm vapor and lots of flavor - no nic-sickness at all. Seems not to heat the RDA as much as the 0.3 ohm build...which is a big improvement.

Overall I like these quad coils, but it seems there is a small range of optimal quad coils on 3.7 volt battery mech mods. Also the hot air and large amount of vapor/flavor seems to work well with mild/subtle juices that aren't sweet: e.g. tobacco, coffee, roasted nuts.
 

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Thanks, will try that at some point.

Ran into problem with 1st build (above)... 2 coils were clean and 2 were gunked. Checked screws and resistance remained at 0.3 ohms... I'm thinking the 2 serial + 2 parallel build was a very bad idea.

Ran into an interesting problem with 2nd build... 4 strands twisted 32 guage coil to 2.0 ohm with close to 5 mm coil diameter. Then made 4 of those coils, all in parallel, resulting in a 0.5 ohm RDA. Wicked with same Japanese cotton...3 small hits later super nic-sick (dizzy, lightheaded, coughing, reduced reaction time).

Thing is, there was practically no vapor and tons of hot air. Took it apart, tested coils - took forever to heat up. Put in freshly charged battery, same effect. Decided to rip it out. My theory is the twisted coils acted as their own heatsinks and dissipated heat faster than it could build up, resulting in unvaporised juice becoming airborne in the hot air. Very little vapor, lots of hot air and very nic-sick...

3rd attempt was excellent. Used 28 gauge kanthal and wrapped 9/10 times at 3.0 mm diameter for ~ 2.0 ohm coils. Put 4 in parallel for ~ 0.5 ohm atty. Coils began to glow red after a few seconds (on a used battery). Rolled same wicks as from 2nd attempt tighter and inserted them with a bit of effort. Worked fine, warm vapor and lots of flavor - no nic-sickness at all. Seems not to heat the RDA as much as the 0.3 ohm build...which is a big improvement.

Overall I like these quad coils, but it seems there is a small range of optimal quad coils on 3.7 volt battery mech mods. Also the hot air and large amount of vapor/flavor seems to work well with mild/subtle juices that aren't sweet: e.g. tobacco, coffee, roasted nuts.

Yeah I admit I didn't read the original post carefully where it came to your coils. 2 in series and 2 parallel... I can't really imagine what you mean, one side of the atomiser you had a parallel coil (2 strands) and the other you had 2 coils in series? If the sides of the atomiser are unbalanced one will heat up much more than the other (hence why one was gunked) so generally you make coils in parallel identical.

With your 2nd build, a 5mm diameter is huge. I've never tried it but it might produce some strange results. You'd need a lot of cotton in there or you would be getting dry hits off the bare coil which would be unpleasant. I don't go over 3mm internal diameter really and I never see the point in doing quad coils, dual is fine for me.

Also how experienced are you with building?
 
Yeah I admit I didn't read the original post carefully where it came to your coils. 2 in series and 2 parallel... I can't really imagine what you mean, one side of the atomiser you had a parallel coil (2 strands) and the other you had 2 coils in series? If the sides of the atomiser are unbalanced one will heat up much more than the other (hence why one was gunked) so generally you make coils in parallel identical.

Of the 4 pcs. 0.5 ohm coils, I split them into two pairs. I put 2x 2 coils in series, and put those two legs in parallel.

in parallel {

(in series) [ 0.5 ohm coil + 0.5 ohm coil ] = 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 ohm circuit
and
(in series) [ 0.5 ohm coil + 0.5 ohm coil ] = 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 ohm circuit

} = (1.0 ohm + 1.0 ohm) / 2 = 0.5 ohm circuit

So it was balanced. A 1.0 ohm series on each side, or in other words two 1.0 ohm series in parallel, resulting in 0.5 ohm atty.

I think there may be something wrong with the atty. Every build I do, two coils heat up faster than the other two. Even if all coils are in parallel, have same number of wraps, I play with the coils to remove hot spots, etc. result is always 2 hotter and 2 colder. Atty manual says it has 1 positive and 4 negative posts by the way, so I assumed all positive -> negative connections should be equal on the device. Guess that's not true...

With your 2nd build, a 5mm diameter is huge. I've never tried it but it might produce some strange results. You'd need a lot of cotton in there or you would be getting dry hits off the bare coil which would be unpleasant. I don't go over 3mm internal diameter really and I never see the point in doing quad coils, dual is fine for me.

Yep, I wanted to try something different there. The juice wells are about 5 mm, and quad coils are built vertically over them, so I figured why not try making the coil same radius as the juice wells. Guess you are right: I didn't have enough cotton in there. Packing same cotton wicks in 3mm coils worked beautifully so I should have concluded the wicks were insufficient for 5mm. The interesting thing is there were no dry hits; the vapor was wet (humid). However it had the taste of raw juice (overly sweet). I concluded the air was hot enough that as some was being drawn through the top of the wick, it was pulling unvaporised juice droplets into my draw. Hence 3 hits getting me very nic-sick (on 12mg juice that I can normally chain vape).

Also how experienced are you with building?

Not very. I have built a few coils, and I do know how to design and test basic circuits, from studying it outside of vaping. I'm happy with the third attempt so I will probably just dry burn and re-wick for a month or two before trying a new build. Note that this device can do dual coils; it's just that I wanted to try quads.

Only major change to this setup will probably be to get a better mod with higher battery capacity / more wattage. This tube-shaped Smok Magneto mod, with its hard to press switch, is not ergonomic in the slightest. Not sure what the designer was thinking...
 
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Of the 4 pcs. 0.5 ohm coils, I split them into two pairs. I put 2x 2 coils in series, and put those two legs in parallel.

in parallel {

(in series) [ 0.5 ohm coil + 0.5 ohm coil ] = 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 ohm circuit
and
(in series) [ 0.5 ohm coil + 0.5 ohm coil ] = 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 ohm circuit

} = (1.0 ohm + 1.0 ohm) / 2 = 0.5 ohm circuit

So it was balanced. A 1.0 ohm series on each side, or in other words two 1.0 ohm series in parallel, resulting in 0.5 ohm atty.

Math fail - must still be half asleep... 2 / 2 is not 0.5 ... :facepalm:
 
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