Something bothering me.

[t8kiteasy]

I remember when I started vaping back in 2010. At that time vaping was in its infancy. We were not,at this point,trying as hard to convert new smokers as we are today. This is what's bothering me.

As the market has changed and all the publicity about teens vaping (with all the pods being offered today) the industry still continues to push out pods,AIO's . At what point do we say stop pushing pods and get back to making regular box mods and mechs . At some point we all upgraded from sticks to mods. All new vapers today will do the same.

Here is where we have the market flooded with pod devices and I think it should stop and change back over to mod devices. That should stop teen interest and hopefully keep vaping out of the negative eye in publicity?

Anyone elses thoughts please post I would like to see how the vape community thinks about this ? Who knows maybe I'm crazy ??

 

[Baditude]

As the market has changed and all the publicity about teens vaping (with all the pods being offered today) the industry still continues to push out pods,AIO's . At what point do we say stop pushing pods and get back to making regular box mods and mechs . At some point we all upgraded from sticks to mods. All new vapers today will do the same.

Here is where we have the market flooded with pod devices and I think it should stop and change back over to mod devices. That should stop teen interest and hopefully keep vaping out of the negative eye in publicity?

Anyone elses thoughts please post I would like to see how the vape community thinks about this ? Who knows maybe I'm crazy ??

I think you're making some conclusions that aren't neccessarily true.

I've read somewhere that the Ego is still the most popular vape device worldwide as far as sales go. I personally find it hard to believe or understand, as many of the manufacturers of the eGo are discontinuing them.

Mech mods may seem to be more popular than they really are because of vaping forums and possibly vape shops. Very few vapers in the real world visit vaping forums, and many vapers have never visited a vape shop. I don't see how a true mech mod could pass FDA safety regulations, so there will be a time when you can't buy a new mech in the US legally.

I've met long time vapers who are perfectly fine using cigalikes, and want nothing to do with a large and heavy vape setup. IMHO, the FDA unintentionally created the teen epidemic. FDA Created the Youth Vaping Epidemic, Now It’s Doubling Down

Pod systems are proving to be great plug-and-play, all-in-one, stealthy vape setups for both new and seasoned vapers. I never thought that I would go there after using regulated/mechanical mods and rebuildable coil tank systems, but I use one at least once a week in specific situations.

There is no vape setup which best suits the needs of all vapers. That's the reason that there are so many classifications/types of e-cigarette on the market. The FDA will likely play a large part in what type of gear we use and the way that we vape in the intermediate future (USA). We'll find out within the next year or so when the Deeming Regulations finally go into full effect.
New proposed FDA and UL guidelines for e-cigarette manufacturers that will affect YOU.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I remember when I started vaping back in 2010. At that time vaping was in its infancy. We were not,at this point,trying as hard to convert new smokers as we are today. This is what's bothering me.

As the market has changed and all the publicity about teens vaping (with all the pods being offered today) the industry still continues to push out pods,AIO's . At what point do we say stop pushing pods and get back to making regular box mods and mechs . At some point we all upgraded from sticks to mods. All new vapers today will do the same.

Here is where we have the market flooded with pod devices and I think it should stop and change back over to mod devices. That should stop teen interest and hopefully keep vaping out of the negative eye in publicity?

Anyone elses thoughts please post I would like to see how the vape community thinks about this ? Who knows maybe I'm crazy ??

I believe the problem is much deeper than that. Vaping, as in the action of consuming a vapor product, is used within other activities. Some of these activities are just as old as e-cigarettes. One of the video reports from these recent events displayed a 510 type cartridge made specifically for these other activities. Said cartridge can be used on any vape device that employs a 510 thread. Not to mention the open system of a typical mod/tank can easily allow misuse.

Given Juul’s popularity, it became an easy target for a black-market enterprise. One popular device makes it easier for the black-market to produce and distribute. But by just removing Juul from the market, the trends could very well follow another device, perhaps one that is more open, and the underground market would just adapt.

 

[Opinionated]

With the advent of salts even adult vapers were changing their vaping habits and went backward to experience low wattage vaping while getting the nicotine needs fulfilled.

Even I went backwards somewhat to the lower powered devices, and I was never a high wattage vaper.

We still build our own coils and such, but much can be said for convenience too.

I'll put a new vaper on an easier device and allow them to work their way up if they need. I see no harm in it.. convenience is a win for most.

 

[vapdivrr]

And while were at it, get rid of all drop ins, sub ohm, salts, etc, that would surely stop a lot.

 

[Beamslider]

I started on all in one disposables, then went to ego with high nicotine. Going from Cigarettes to vape took quite a bit of nicotine.

Have since changed over to DTL with mod and RTA and low nicotine 1.5 MG. Not going back but I do have a pod for use to carry to places where it would be inconvenient to take a mod and more stealth is needed. I just put 3 mg in the pod but I don't use it very frequently.

 

[t8kiteasy]

I think you're making some conclusions that aren't neccessarily true.

I've read somewhere that the Ego is still the most popular vape device worldwide as far as sales go. I personally find it hard to believe or understand, as many of the manufacturers of the eGo are discontinuing them.

Mech mods may seem to be more popular than they really are because of vaping forums and possibly vape shops. Very few vapers in the real world visit vaping forums, and many vapers have never visited a vape shop. I don't see how a true mech mod could pass FDA safety regulations, so there will be a time when you can't buy a new mech in the US legally.

I've met long time vapers who are perfectly fine using cigalikes, and want nothing to do with a large and heavy vape setup. IMHO, the FDA unintentionally created the teen epidemic. FDA Created the Youth Vaping Epidemic, Now It’s Doubling Down

There is no vape setup which best suits the needs of all vapers. That's the reason that there are so many classifications/types of e-cigarette on the market. The FDA will likely play a large part in what type of gear we use and the way that we vape in the intermediate future (USA). We'll find out within the next year or so when the Deeming Regulations finally go into full effect.
New proposed FDA and UL guidelines for e-cigarette manufacturers that will affect YOU.

I still have my Ego-C devices ,not used much if at all any longer. They are awesome devices for converting smokers my point was just trying to get vaping out of the bad publicity it's getting lately.

I read I have opened a can of worms with this post ? As I posted earlier I might be crazy too ?? Never know.

 

[t8kiteasy]

With the advent of salts even adult vapers were changing their vaping habits and went backward to experience low wattage vaping while getting the nicotine needs fulfilled.

Even I went backwards somewhat to the lower powered devices, and I was never a high wattage vaper.

We still build our own coils and such, but much can be said for convenience too.

I'll put a new vaper on an easier device and allow them to work their way up if they need. I see no harm in it.. convenience is a win for most.

I agree I would start a new vaper on something easy and simple too ,and let them work there way up. I'm not saying we should stop converting smokers at all.

 

[t8kiteasy]

I started on all in one disposables, then went to ego with high nicotine. Going from Cigarettes to vape took quite a bit of nicotine.

Have since changed over to DTL with mod and RTA and low nicotine 1.5 MG. Not going back but I do have a pod for use to carry to places where it would be inconvenient to take a mod and more stealth is needed. I just put 3 mg in the pod but I don't use it very frequently.

Yep I went from a Blu stick device to Ego-C to quit smoking. Once I started within six months ,give or take a month,I was getting into sub ohming and rebuilding RTA/RDA 's . I still have my MTL set up I use and an out and about device too.

 

[englishmick]

I remember when I started vaping back in 2010. At that time vaping was in its infancy. We were not,at this point,trying as hard to convert new smokers as we are today. This is what's bothering me.

As the market has changed and all the publicity about teens vaping (with all the pods being offered today) the industry still continues to push out pods,AIO's . At what point do we say stop pushing pods and get back to making regular box mods and mechs . At some point we all upgraded from sticks to mods. All new vapers today will do the same.

Here is where we have the market flooded with pod devices and I think it should stop and change back over to mod devices. That should stop teen interest and hopefully keep vaping out of the negative eye in publicity?

Anyone elses thoughts please post I would like to see how the vape community thinks about this ? Who knows maybe I'm crazy ??

I don't think the problem is someone pushing pods. What sells is what people want to buy.

The only player that can move in and decree what is sold and what isn't would be our friends down at the FDA. And they are more likely to decree that non-refillable pods are the only things that can be sold.

I've got a collection of refillable tanks. Truth is they are kind of high maintenance. Once a week I have to empty them out, clean and dry them, and replace the wicks. Less frequently replace the coils. That's not to mention the rows of bottles of flavoring and so forth. Truth is it takes quite a lot of time.

I enjoy all that. I'm guessing most vapers just want something simple that pumps nicotine into their lungs so they can stay off the cigs. Plus a few teens that think it's trendy, or helpful for other activities.

 

[Baditude]

... just trying to get vaping out of the bad publicity it's getting lately.

I read I have opened a can of worms with this post ? As I posted earlier I might be crazy too ?? Never know.

Vaping has ALWAYS been the victim of bad publicity. The antivaping propoganda created by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and all the antismoking advocates have assured that from the beginning. We make a step forward, and then get knocked two steps back.

From vaping antifreeze (we vape propylene glycol, not ethylene glycol), getting popcorn lung (no one who vapes has ever gotten popcorn lung), vaping metal (how is that even possible?), using flavors that attract children (adults love yummy flavors, too), etc, etc. Plastic and glass tanks looked like something that could be found only in a head shop, so observers mistakenly thought vapers were smoking the "other stuff".

 

[icepickmaker84]

Vaping has ALWAYS been the victim of bad publicity. The antivaping propoganda created by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and all the antismoking advocates have assured that from the beginning. We make a step forward, and then get knocked two steps back.

From vaping antifreeze (we vape propylene glycol, not ethylene glycol), getting popcorn lung (no one who vapes has ever gotten popcorn lung), vaping metal (how is that even possible?), using flavors that attract children (adults love yummy flavors, too), etc, etc.

I wouldn’t have picked up vaping if it weren’t for the flavors.


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[Jebbn]

What needs to change is the US press needs to stop lying and the people need to engage independent thought and critical thinking.
It has nothing to do with the devices.

 

[Horselady154]

What needs to change is the US press needs to stop lying and the people need to engage independent thought and critical thinking.
It has nothing to do with the devices.

I agree, but unfortunately as with most issues, if they don't see it as directly impacting THEM, they don't give a rat's behind.

 

[evan le'garde]

I don't know !!.

I do think however, that maybe that concerned government departments have got it into their heads that vaping is specifically designed to help people stop smoking, not progress, just stop smoking then quit vaping ( It's not as if you'd quit smoking with gum etc then continue to use these cessation methods as a habit or hobby). It does look like the Pod industry has been shaped for this particular purpose. The "TPD" was designed to fit the pod market, and vice versa. I suppose the government would like to think they have some sort of fundamental control. It's extremely annoying to say the least.

 

[icepickmaker84]

What needs to change is the US press needs to stop lying and the people need to engage independent thought and critical thinking.
It has nothing to do with the devices.

Now that’s just downright logical, it’d never work ha ha.

 

[bnrkwest]

Remember back when the Deeming was first put out there we all thought that pods were the only thing that would pass?? Now not so sure. I have a feeling not much will be passed if anything, maybe a cig a like with carto??

 

[Don29palms]

What's bothering me is idiots in the government want to ban something that has proven to help people quit smoking but is thinks legalizing drugs is a great idea.. BRILLIANT!

 

[MacTechVpr]

Best way for us to have anything is to simply not give them what they want. The best vote you have is the one you make with your pocketbook.

I don't need anybody designing my mod or my vape.

Good luck.

 

[Eskie]

What needs to change is the US press needs to stop lying and the people need to engage independent thought and critical thinking.
It has nothing to do with the devices.

In some fairness, a journalist, even a science and medical journalist, has only so much experience to plow through detailed medical articles and compare different papers with differing conclusions to decide what may be the most accurate data. This stuff is important to us, but this is just one of many stories they will cover.

In the beginning of August, the WHO came out with a series of positions papers in opposition to vaping. Arguments included lack of long term information of toxicity, the fact there are still some toxic agents in vapor (which there are, regardless of comparisons with cigarettes), underage use, and even a lack of definitive evidence they even work for smoking cessation (and there are not a lot of studies specifically addressing that, only one well regarded one published earlier in the summer showing a 22% quit rate vs. ~10% with either NRT or rx meds, meaning it still didn't work for the large majority who tried it). The WHO is a big bureaucracy, bigger than the CDC or even the FDA, and their policies are what many countries will follow bowing to their expertise. How many journalists are going to sit down and type "the WHO got it all wrong and are idiots." Even if some journalist did, at that point it's an opinion piece not a news article.

If a journalist has that package in hand, they're going to report it. They may get quotes from experts on both sides (I know Michael Siegel in Boston has been one talking head in favor of vaping for a long time) but then they have to leave it at that as they can't say "in our expert opinion, these folks are right and these are wrong" because they're not experts.

A recent poll out of Harvard found only 1 in 4 Americans think vaping can work for smoking cessation, and half thought them more harmful than cigarettes. They also thought the herb flower stuff was safer than vaping (pretty ironic in light of the recent spate of respiratory failure in young users of these alternative products in a vaporizer). It's not the job of journalists to get out and change those minds. It's ours. And apparently we vapers, either ourselves or our lobbying public relations groups like CASAA and VTA, haven't been controlling the message well. You really can't dump it all on journalists.

Best way for us to have anything is to simply not give them what they want. The best vote you have is the one you make with your pocketbook.

I don't need anybody designing my mod or my vape.

Good luck.

You make your own mods? Good skill set. I may visit.