Something bothering me.

[Tabac man]

Journalists work hard trying to change peoples minds when it suits them.

 

[stols001]

I do not think the issue of legalizing certain drugs and trying to get rid of vaping are at all connected. I really don't. I am pro legalizing EVERYTHING (including vaping, all of it) but we are in a situation where there are some very HIGH stakes players.

Also, you are looking at the Feds vs. the states. If the FEDs legalized certain drugs, I would sit up and take notice. Currently the Feds making it a NON issue means that the users (legally and sometimes in fact OFTEN medicinally) are barred from SO MANY fields and ANYTHING that accepts Federal dollars. Do you know how many fields that is? You would be shocked.

I am pro legalizing and as far as I'm concerned vaping is a bit more like the alcohol black market situation it will be repealed eventually once the Feds realize how much tax revenue they are loosing to the black market instead of vapers going back to smoking.

Interesting times.

Anna

 

[MacTechVpr]

You make your own mods? Good skill set. I may visit.

What I was referring to Eskie was the constraint of innovation (past, present and future) by regulatory design, i.e. you vape what we say. But yes thankfully, I still have a few skills and the old hard drive cooperates enough to spin up from time to time, however I may be lacking in stamina.

I'd have to agree, journalists will report such information as is put in their hands, notwithstanding the opinion or reports of the millions of real stakeholders as in this instance. [You make a good point in fairness about their limits of subject matter expertise which applies to academics as well, speaking outside their scope of knowledge.]

I'm afraid at my age one becomes jaded and skeptical about the authenticity or veracity of most everything one reads. Particularly from institutional sources.

Oh by the way, take a ticket.

Good luck.

 

[Katdarling]

And while were at it, get rid of all drop ins, sub ohm, salts, etc, that would surely stop a lot.

Batts, too?

 

[Coyote628]

What needs to change is the US press needs to stop lying and the people need to engage independent thought and critical thinking.
It has nothing to do with the devices.

Yeahhh, thats not gonna happen. Needs to but wont. Easier to believe spoon fed lies than to actually learn the truth.

 

[vapdivrr]

In some fairness, a journalist, even a science and medical journalist, has only so much experience to plow through detailed medical articles and compare different papers with differing conclusions to decide what may be the most accurate data. This stuff is important to us, but this is just one of many stories they will cover.

In the beginning of August, the WHO came out with a series of positions papers in opposition to vaping. Arguments included lack of long term information of toxicity, the fact there are still some toxic agents in vapor (which there are, regardless of comparisons with cigarettes), underage use, and even a lack of definitive evidence they even work for smoking cessation (and there are not a lot of studies specifically addressing that, only one well regarded one published earlier in the summer showing a 22% quit rate vs. ~10% with either NRT or rx meds, meaning it still didn't work for the large majority who tried it). The WHO is a big bureaucracy, bigger than the CDC or even the FDA, and their policies are what many countries will follow bowing to their expertise. How many journalists are going to sit down and type "the WHO got it all wrong and are idiots." Even if some journalist did, at that point it's an opinion piece not a news article.

If a journalist has that package in hand, they're going to report it. They may get quotes from experts on both sides (I know Michael Siegel in Boston has been one talking head in favor of vaping for a long time) but then they have to leave it at that as they can't say "in our expert opinion, these folks are right and these are wrong" because they're not experts.

A recent poll out of Harvard found only 1 in 4 Americans think vaping can work for smoking cessation, and half thought them more harmful than cigarettes. They also thought the herb flower stuff was safer than vaping (pretty ironic in light of the recent spate of respiratory failure in young users of these alternative products in a vaporizer). It's not the job of journalists to get out and change those minds. It's ours. And apparently we vapers, either ourselves or our lobbying public relations groups like CASAA and VTA, haven't been controlling the message well. You really can't dump it all on journalists.



You make your own mods? Good skill set. I may visit.

And all this time I thought the Who was simply a R&R band

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[Pigs]

And all this time I thought the Who was simply a R&R band

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Speaking of The Who: I still think "The kids are alright". This teen vaping epidemic is a load of BS

 

[Don29palms]

And all this time I thought the Who was simply a R&R band

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Mama's got a squeeze box!

 

[Tabac man]

Speaking of The Who: I still think "The kids are alright". This teen vaping epidemic is a load of BS

Yeah we won't get fooled again.

 

[zoiDman]

And while were at it, get rid of all drop ins, sub ohm, salts, etc, that would surely stop a lot.

Should this have been Posted in Green Text ?