The TA is thick like molasses and you can use PGA to mix it instead of pg. I just don't keep any PGA on hand and do have pg so that's what I use.
soooo...... theoretical question...
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That used to be 'a certain' " je ne sais quoi." (I think)
but then you wouls not get around much anymore. (think again)
other than that i', in for that asap.
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Roger
but then you wouls not get around much anymore. (think again)
other than that i', in for that asap.
(back in the box)
Roger
TA (tobacco absolute) is THE most overused tobacco flavoring in tobacco flavored eliquids today. If you've ever tasted an e-liquid with a syrupy chewing tobacco flavor, that would be TA.
When TA is used, if an e-liquid sits for a time, the oils from the TA create a ring on the inside of the bottle at the top of the liquid.
Many American made/sourced tobacco e-liquid flavorings contain TA. (TA was not made for the e-liquid industry. It was made as a fragrance additive).
For some reason, the European e-liquid industry tends to use flavorings that are made for the e-cig industry, not food and fragrance flavorings.
Aroma Ejuice sources their flavorings from around the world, not from one single supplier.
Hmmm, I wonder if that is one of the reasons that many of the eliquids I've tried or smelled from other vendors, smell and taste like perfume?
good to see you pop in here Plan!
Possibly. Many flavorings are preserved in an alcohol base. It's why many juices need to "steep," they need to let the alcohol evaporate out. Alcohol is also used as a thinner in high VG liquids, along with (or instead of) deionized water.
Any e-liquid (or flavoring) with a very dark initial color should be avoided. Those are made with food flavorings, which usually also have dyes added to them.
Personally, I doubt vaping dye in minute quantities is "harmful," but it shows a lack of knowledge and care on the part of the e-liquid manufacturer.
Juices that darken over time as a result of oxidation are an entirely different situation, as ate juices that are deliberately colored by the manufacturer as a marketing gimmick.
Just because a flavor was originally intended for the perfume or food industry, doesn't mean that it isn't suitable for vaping, but it does mean that a person shouldn't just blindly order flavors and expect to make a good (or safe) e-liquid.
For the record, all of Aroma's flavors were made for the e-liquid industry.
Edit: by very dark, I mean nontransparent. The one exception seems to be coffee flavors. All of the decent coffee flavors I've tried have been very dark.
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DK Tab (almost certainly has TA in it), GI Joe, and there's one other that I can't think of at the moment. Edit: Turkish Blend. Tastes like roll-your-own cigs.
Avoid Beatle Juice, 555, and Sahara.
I use TA in my DIY tobacco menthol in a very small quantity. I mix it down 1-5 and then use three drops per 6ml. It can leave the residue that you mention but for me it gives that extra flavor to my liquid that I like. It's interesting what you said about alcohol and steeping. I never thought of that. I've always been confused by steeping. Doesn't that oxidize the nic in the liquid and isn't that supposed to be avoided?
Dvap has a very interesting blog post regarding nicotine oxidation. You should read it sometime.
Edit: it's not a long blog post, but I can summerize it. As a test, nicotine base was vaporized and reclaimed. The reclaimed nicotine was found to have darkened significantly.
The conclusion drawn was the act of vaping oxidizes nicotine. So worrying about brownish nic base was pointless.
Edit: it's not a long blog post, but I can summerize it. As a test, nicotine base was vaporized and reclaimed. The reclaimed nicotine was found to have darkened significantly.
The conclusion drawn was the act of vaping oxidizes nicotine. So worrying about brownish nic base was pointless.
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I appreciate the attempt to help but, the most important part of the question is the "100%vg" part. I have tried almost all of aroma's tobacco juices even though most of them are 70%pg and any more than 20% is too much for my allergies(which in and of itself is amazing - most pg in other companies juices at any percentage breaks me out,swells my throat up and just generally sets off weird allergic reactions).
Tobacco Road - although a bit sweeter than what I would like,doesn't set off said reactions and has enough non perfumey tobacco flavor to get the job done.
That being said, over the last 4 years, I've tried every tobacco juice I could get my hands on and the majority of nets and ta juices (that are billed as such)taste like cologne,chemicals and cotton candy ( depending on the vg they use) and makers are so tight lipped about what's in them that it has been impossible to decipher whether it's from the ta itself,the pg that it's suspended in,extra pg or vg added to the mix or other ingredients in the finished product.
Aroma's vg comes across as less sweet than other vendors - hence the original question.i have tried more ta juices since asking this question last month and they were all overwhelmingly perfumey ( which could be attributed to the aforementioned heavy handed ness in mixing or again,the pg- I don't know).
The reasonable course of action would be to buy all the ingredients and taste them independently but I don't have the luxury of time to do this or the want to be a junior chemist.i trust Jerry's palette and judgement and if he said it was possible or impossible to do this, then I would be inclined to believe it.
Jerry is the first to admit he doesn't have a great palette for flavors. What he does have is a customer base that is willing to help him tweak flavors (and be beta testers) and (most importantly) he uses only high quality ingredients and flavors. Jerry has repeatedly demonstrated his unwillingness to use inferior products and methods.
For example, his old WTA had reached a point in developmentment where he was getting a high yeild through a largely automated process. Then he tried some other techniques and developed VS WTA, which is labor intensive and has relatively low yields. He will not go back and produce his regular WTA because he considers it a lower quality product (much to my own personal irritation, as I preferred the ashy taste of the old WTA).
Pharmaceutical/Food grade PG and VG is the same everywhere, so it's not like Jerry has access to a "special" grade of PG or VG.
For example, his old WTA had reached a point in developmentment where he was getting a high yeild through a largely automated process. Then he tried some other techniques and developed VS WTA, which is labor intensive and has relatively low yields. He will not go back and produce his regular WTA because he considers it a lower quality product (much to my own personal irritation, as I preferred the ashy taste of the old WTA).
Pharmaceutical/Food grade PG and VG is the same everywhere, so it's not like Jerry has access to a "special" grade of PG or VG.
i think part of the issue is the whole "purity grade doesn't equal good flavor" aspect of it.there's a lot of vendors out there that bill their products as usp with additional qualifiers like "organic" or "all natural" etc.. etc.. and a cursory glance at google results, it seems there's a myriad of manufacturers turning out usp graded vg. having tried straight vg from several of the aforementioned vendors, the base taste of vg seems to vary pretty wildly.It would have been easier and more direct to say that i seem to like the flavor of whichever vg aroma is using.it seems to be less overbearing and more transparent than the vg that a lot of other vendors use.
that being said, i've got a bottle of that last batch of p51 which, im assuming is a tweaked version of the earlier recipe and would be completely happy with it all the time if it was available,and preferably, with a bit less nic.it is some fantastic stuff.
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No speeches, just reading material.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-ingredients-around-town-2.html#post11837335
Edit: You may be onto something about the differences in PG/VG.
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hahaha. sorry man - the speech comment wasn't directed at you. i've had a running presidential joke going for the last two weeks or something.should have hit the reply with quote button
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/aroma-ejuice/430958-king-queen-thread-99.html#post14150796
Ah, right. You were discussing my chair. I really should post more (and follow posts) in that thread, especially since I started it.
I didn't expect it to turn into Aroma's version of the "Provarinati Saloon."
Just don't ask what a Swoody is...
I didn't expect it to turn into Aroma's version of the "Provarinati Saloon."
King or Queen of the Thread.
Whoever is the last person to post in the thread is King or Queen (until someone else comes along).
That makes me King.
Just don't ask what a Swoody is...
Ah, right. You were discussing my chair. I really should post more (and follow posts) in that thread, especially since I started it.
I didn't expect it to turn into Aroma's version of the "Provarinati Saloon."
you try to leave...... it just keeps pulling you back in!!!!!
Hmmm... I'm betting you haven't tried Virgin Vapor Double Espresso, which is a transparent, very light tan-colored liquid. That mixed 3:1 with VS WTA has become my ADV. I'm still looking for an all VG tobacco flavor I like -- which is why I am on the edge of my seat waiting for my P51 to arrive Wednesday. A 100% Aroma, 100% VG, WTA tobacco flavored eliquid, and one that has been getting rave reviews, no less. What else could a guy want?
(Well maybe some freshly roasted coffee with a few squares of fine quality very dark chocolate to accompany that fine vape, but I digress.)
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i think the general consensus was it was like a noseeum but with more "no" and less "seeum".
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