ss316l in power and TC mode

[93gc40]

You mean the watts? Right?

In TC set the watts to what ever you want... if you cant get to the set temp increase whattage.. if you get there too fast reduce.. if temp is too hot reduce temp too cold increase..

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[madstabber]

The only thing I'd like to add is to switch your temperature to Fahrenheit. No one understands Celsius or even where it came from. I mean seriously if I told you it's 48 degrees Celsius outside who knows what that means?!?!? Do I need a coat, or can I wear a tank top and shorts, who knows. That's like speaking a foreign language so seriously switch over to Fahrenheit before someone gets hurt. It's just a good habit to get into. Also when discussing mod size use inches and don't get me started on misspelling like flavour or colour. I mean come on people you have to be an adult to be on here you should learn how to spell. Just trying to help my fellow vapers appreciate some humour.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Can't fin a manual on iJoy's site (or at all)

...Just trying to help my fellow vapers appreciate some humour.

Humour (with an extraneous U, no less)... humor?

You think joking about my mom is funny?
Well... do ya... punk?

If I get my hands on you....

 

[madstabber]

Can't fin a manual on iJoy's site (or at all)


Humour (with an extraneous U, no less)... humor?

You think joking about my mom is funny?
Well... do ya... punk?

If I get my hands on you....

No sir I'd never joke about another man's mum that's off limits.
And yes humour was a bit of ironic sarcasm. Or something like that

 

[Jim_ MDP]

... No one understands Celsius ...

On a serious note...

As a typical US American... Celsius is akin to a foreign language. As in... I can't "think" in it, much along the lines of your *ahem* lifted comedy routine about knowing how to dress, etc.

So a year or so ago, I got tired of chasing a "normal" temp, and worrying whether something was wrong, or too wrong, if I wasn' right around that 420 F mark.

So I set all my TC mods to Celsius for a couple of months, and just went with what felt good while producing a satisfying amount of vapor.

Broke that habit right quick.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

No sir I'd never joke about another man's mum that's off limits.
And yes humour was a bit of ironic sarcasm. Or something like that

Did I mis-translate that furrin' language in your location?

 

[madstabber]

On a serious note...

As a typical US American... Celsius is akin to a foreign language. As in... I can't "think" in it, much along the lines of your *ahem* lifted comedy routine about knowing how to dress, etc.

So a year or so ago, I got tired of chasing a "normal" temp, and worrying whether something was wrong, or too wrong, if I wasn' right around that 420 F mark.

So I set all my TC mods to Celsius for a couple of months, and just went with what felt good while producing a satisfying amount of vapor.

Broke that habit right quick.

I like that, that's a great idea to learn the symbiotic relationship between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I was only half joking about knowing what clothes to wear. That seems like a great way to better understand Celsius. I'm still never gonna adapt to meters though. Feet and inches til the day I die.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

I like that, that's a great idea to learn the symbiotic relationship between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I was only half joking about knowing what clothes to wear. That seems like a great way to better understand Celsius. I'm still never gonna adapt to meters though. Feet and inches til the day I die.

I didn't say it helped me better understand C... just to quit worrying about my TC settings.
I'm not shooting for the moon here.

We're slowly integrating the two, but I doubt I'll ever think of say grocery purchases in metric.

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You didn't address my comments about your location text... if that ain't a Mom joke, it oughta be.

 

[93gc40]

On a serious note...

As a typical US American... Celsius is akin to a foreign language. As in... I can't "think" in it, much along the lines of your *ahem* lifted comedy routine about knowing how to dress, etc.

So a year or so ago, I got tired of chasing a "normal" temp, and worrying whether something was wrong, or too wrong, if I wasn' right around that 420 F mark.

So I set all my TC mods to Celsius for a couple of months, and just went with what felt good while producing a satisfying amount of vapor.

Broke that habit right quick.

Yep the beauty of switching to which ever is NOT the unit v of measure you understand is the Vape becomes more important than the settings... and wether or not they are accurate....

IMO..if the vape is good... does it really matter if the set value matches some math formula?

I use TCR mode for TC... because a regular TC and TFR suck... even in TCR i set what works Not the factor some expert said I should use for the wire I'm using.... TCR for SS is 94 plus or minus .00005.. i use setting of 70 to 80 depnding on build. Could even go as high as 110 on others.

If you like the vape you did it right.... fork the science. (Fork the filter too)

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[madstabber]

I think if I start to use C instead of F I will have a better grasp of Celsius. Like if i hear it's 40 degrees Celsius outside. I will have a better idea of the temperature outside. Knowledge is power.
Oh and the mom joke, yes I forget where I was. Besides I'm a gentleman and your mom is perfectly safe with me here. No means no and I like to take things slow. You don't have to call me dad right away, but one day.....I'd appreciate it if you did son. If you ever need anything feel free to ask, if you bring me beers out of the fridge. I'll look the other way if you take one for yourself. Just don't push it, if you get drunk I'll never hear the end of it from your mom.
But seriously, it's a nice house. I can get used to it here

 

[Jim_ MDP]

I think if I start to use C instead of F I will have a better grasp of Celsius. Like if i hear it's 40 degrees Celsius outside. I will have a better idea of the temperature outside. Knowledge is power.

I think when it hits 40C outside, you already know the important bit... it's a damn hot day.
(Apologies to those living where it regularly gets much, much hotter. )

Oh and the mom joke, yes I forget where I was. Besides I'm a gentleman and your mom is perfectly safe with me here. No means no and I like to take things slow. You don't have to call me dad right away, but one day.....I'd appreciate it if you did son. If you ever need anything feel free to ask, if you bring me beers out of the fridge. I'll look the other way if you take one for yourself. Just don't push it, if you get drunk I'll never hear the end of it from your mom.
But seriously, it's a nice house. I can get used to it here

About half my pseudo-understanding of Latin comes from watching West Wing, so I took the text to read, broadly, as... "Location: Posting from your mom's house."

Which made me think of the ending of the Slim Jim TV spot set in Amish/Mennonite country.

 

[93gc40]

Let's start with the basics.... All mods regulated or not TC or not.. supply VOLTS to a coil to produce heat..... the coils resistance determines the amount if watts those volts produce. ..

Heat is a byproduct of that voltage moving through the coil.....

The difference between TC and VW is the factor you concentrate on in the math formula used to regulate the mod. One focused on the coil wattage output the other focused on the Temperature of the coil.... on the user input side.... see the mod only supplies VOLTS. TC Or VW tells the mod which math formula to use for calculations to determine the number of volts to supply.


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[madstabber]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well said @93gc40

 

[Beamslider]

In TC set the watts to what ever you want... if you cant get to the set temp increase whattage.. if you get there too fast reduce.. if temp is too hot reduce temp too cold increase..

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I don't think it quite works out that way all the time. If you set the watts very high compared to what the coil can use before the mod throttles it continually, you get a very lousy vape with little or no vapor. The screen will flash protection continually and it isn't very satisfying.

You still need to set wattage to a range that the coil needs to ramp up and maintain the temperature without it being so much wattage that the chip continually cuts the power to keep try and maintain it.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

I don't think it quite works out that way all the time. If you set the watts very high compared to what the coil can use before the mod throttles it continually, you get a very lousy vape with little or no vapor. The screen will flash protection continually and it isn't very satisfying.

You still need to set wattage to a range that the coil needs to ramp up and maintain the temperature without it being so much wattage that the chip continually cuts the power to keep try and maintain it.

Actually... recent TC mods (even ex. our budget JoyeTechs) are pretty damn good at supplying a smooth power level to maintain the set temp. The wattage setting is just the limit it can apply, and usually the initial amount used as it ramps up.

What you're describing puts me in mind of TC "rattle snaking"... which I haven't experienced in a good 18 months. I believe it was with either an i40, or a D2.

But I'm not personally sold on the idea some hold of just setting max watts (within reason? I suppose) and letting it rip. Our mods should throttle fast enough... but I'm confident I'm NEVER in the mood to rewick just because I threw 200 W at a simple build... with my fingers crossed.

(Hey... glitches happen. I don't even trust my DNAs that far. )

 

[Beamslider]

You may be right but I get that on a DNA 75, Pico and Joyetech evic with the more or less anemic coils I use on a subtank mini. They are single coil SS 26 AWG .6 ohm coils. They work fine with TC as long as the watt is set at 15 to 20 W. Set it at 30+ and they just don't generate much vapor at any temp. They throttle and just don't work right.

So the coil may have a lot to do with it as well.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

You may be right but I get that on a DNA 75, Pico and Joyetech evic with the more or less anemic coils I use on a subtank mini. They are single coil SS 26 AWG .6 ohm coils. They work fine with TC as long as the watt is set at 15 to 20 W. Set it at 30+ and they just don't generate much vapor at any temp. They throttle and just don't work right.

So the coil may have a lot to do with it as well.

Odd indeed, and I was misreading your "throttling continually" to mean "off and on, off and on". Different scenario.

I've TC'd up to 1.1s, but I never tried to "overdrive" a reasonable wattage and all was well. On the other hand... I don't see an issue with ~30 W on that mid-fatty 0.6 single.
My crap wicking skillz might keep me from enjoying it at ~35+ (depending on temp,, but I wouldn't expect to have to drop to 20, or below.

Ah... the vagaries joys of TC.

eta: I'm frequently bouncing between TC and Watts (too lazy to re-wick, usually), much like my thinking in this post... but I can screw up a good vape in either.

 

[Hawise]

You may be right but I get that on a DNA 75, Pico and Joyetech evic with the more or less anemic coils I use on a subtank mini. They are single coil SS 26 AWG .6 ohm coils. They work fine with TC as long as the watt is set at 15 to 20 W. Set it at 30+ and they just don't generate much vapor at any temp. They throttle and just don't work right.

So the coil may have a lot to do with it as well.

It's interesting how it all works. I use a SS ~1 ohm coil in a Kayfun v5 clone, usually at 15 - 20 W on a Joyetech eVic VTwo Mini. Your post inspired me to turn it up to 35 W to see what happened. I didn't have any problems. Temperature protection kicked on almost instantly, but it still gave me pretty much the same vape I get at lower wattages. I wonder what's causing the difference.

 

[Beamslider]

No idea what causes it other than it seems the coil ramps up too fast and stays hot long enough to choke the control. So it just basically flashes protection over and over. Maybe the Evic two works differently than the Evic VTC mini I have.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

No idea what causes it other than it seems the coil ramps up too fast and stays hot long enough to choke the control. So it just basically flashes protection over and over. Maybe the Evic two works differently than the Evic VTC mini I have.

The first VT (upgradable or not?) was, by all accounts, completely wicked when it worked. But IIRC it had some fatal software flaws, for a minority, usually in the TC code.

I don't know if the VTwo corrected that, bringing it inline with the VTCs (but they still look awesome ) ... but something is off to cause choking/throttling/snaking at ~30W on just about any 0.6 build.

I JUST NOTICED... you said "the coils you use in an STM". These are hand rolls, yes? Not the Kanthal wire used in most of the SSOCC factory heads (only the blue bands are/were SS) ?

Repeated builds? Or just the one so far?


eta: Bad data... I haven't thought about the SSOCCs all year, and I don't have my chart on this comp. Trying to remember... Red is K, Black is Clapton, Blue might be Nickel with Pink being the lone, and rare as hen's teeth, SS.
Dang it... early senior moment.