Stanton Glantz sued for sexual harassment

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Looking at the body of the article, This does not seem to be the same grotesque level of sexual harassment we are seeing in the news. The only described charge is that he stared at her breasts on several occasions. While rude and very bad manners, this is not the same level as propositions under pressure, or whipping out mr happy, which are the kind of things some of the more famous defendants are accused of.
There is some racial and sexual remark stuff too which, while it seems potentially more serious to me, is not delved into in the article.

What little I know of professional academia suggests to me that the really really galling bit is taking her name off a paper. That is not right. It’s effectively stealing possibly years worth of work experience credit from someone and giving it to someone else. I have heard of several lawsuits regarding this topic. It happened to my dad once and he was still spitting red faced mad about it thirty years later.
 

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Looking at the body of the article, This does not seem to be the same grotesque level of sexual harassment we are seeing in the news. The only described charge is that he stared at her breasts on several occasions. While rude and very bad manners, this is not the same level as propositions under pressure, or whipping out mr happy, which are the kind of things some of the more famous defendants are accused of.
There is some racial and sexual remark stuff too which, while it seems potentially more serious to me, is not delved into in the article.

What little I know of professional academia suggests to me that the really really galling bit is taking her name off a paper. That is not right. It’s effectively stealing possibly years worth of work experience credit from someone and giving it to someone else. I have heard of several lawsuits regarding this topic. It happened to my dad once and he was still spitting red faced mad about it thirty years later.

I would Always recommend Reading the Complaint if possible.

Former UCSF researcher sues professor for alleged sex harassment
 

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Again I don't understand the "gloating" and "karma" stuff. It's rather disturbing that as a society this is our "enjoyable news." It also appears to me that much of it is political in nature. The only good I can see coming out of this is that women (or men) who are being harassed do something about it at the time, perhaps younger women growing up will, ah, do something about it.

Gloating about a man being a perv and then it coming to light years later really doesn't do much for me, it's not a good look, and the fact that people are saying they don't care if it's true, even shows me where we are going as a society. It's disgusting.

Okay, so Glantz is evil. Glorying in his downfall-- even if it's a total lie and politically motivated-- is just as bad.

JMO, but if this is going to be SPREAD all over ECF, then I am going to make this same statement about it.

Exposing "sexual harassment" decades after the fact is not a joyous occurrence, and if it is fabricated and politically motivated given the current trend in the news, it really makes me turn HARD to the right.

Have some self-respect, and if you are a woman gloating, think really, really hard about that. It's not a good look, much like the "censored" hats. If this society has gone so viciously dismayed about our political climate, acting as badly or worse than the accused is NOT okay, either. In fact, it's worse, because one should know better and strategize to outdo the aggressors in ways that are not equally as disgusting or worse than the aggressor. If we need to rise up with guns, then perhaps we do, but this media cycle is really as bad as I've ever seen. I despair sometimes. I wish I could leave.

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Again I don't understand the "gloating" and "karma" stuff. It's rather disturbing that as a society this is our "enjoyable news." It also appears to me that much of it is political in nature. The only good I can see coming out of this is that women (or men) who are being harassed do something about it at the time, perhaps younger women growing up will, ah, do something about it.

Gloating about a man being a perv and then it coming to light years later really doesn't do much for me, it's not a good look, and the fact that people are saying they don't care if it's true, even shows me where we are going as a society. It's disgusting.

Okay, so Glantz is evil. Glorying in his downfall-- even if it's a total lie and politically motivated-- is just as bad.

JMO, but if this is going to be SPREAD all over ECF, then I am going to make this same statement about it.

Exposing "sexual harassment" decades after the fact is not a joyous occurrence, and if it is fabricated and politically motivated given the current trend in the news, it really makes me turn HARD to the right.

Have some self-respect, and if you are a woman gloating, think really, really hard about that. It's not a good look, much like the "censored" hats. If this society has gone so viciously dismayed about our political climate, acting as badly or worse than the accused is NOT okay, either. In fact, it's worse, because one should know better and strategize to outdo the aggressors in ways that are not equally as disgusting or worse than the aggressor. If we need to rise up with guns, then perhaps we do, but this media cycle is really as bad as I've ever seen. I despair sometimes. I wish I could leave.

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I don't know How Long you have followed Slantz? Or How Much you have read of his published works and "Studies".

But some of the Members here on the ECF have followed things since the beginning of things. And have seen how his Special Brand of scientific methodology that has shaped Not Only California e-Cigarette Policy, but National Policy and Unbiased Awareness.
 

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And have seen how his Special Brand of scientific methodology that has shaped Not Only California e-Cigarette Policy, but National Policy and Unbiased Awareness.

And how many smokers will get sick and--God forbid--die, because of his rantings and ravings and lies--all to protect his "research" funding and to please his big tobacco and big pharma masters/donors.
 

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Yes, I understand he has done harm to vapers.

As to the rest, I am going to leave it be, and to various individuals. I think that is best.

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What is behaving so Badly?

Because I'm not besides myself that Slantz is being sued? And might Lose his position at UCSF? Or that a Scum Ball like Slantz is called a Scum Ball on an e-Cigarette Forum?

Sorry. Just Don't see it.

Slantz case is Very Difference than most of what is in the News these days. Because he Isn't being tried in the Court of Public Opinion.

He is going to brought into a Real Court where a Discovery Process applies. And where Evidence and Testimonial can be Given, Corroborated, and can be Cross Examined.

If Slantz and UCSF are shown to have done Nothing Wrong. So Be it.

Or if Slants is found to be the Scum Ball that he has been called, and if UCSF is found to have done Nothing about it, or provided an Atmosphere for him to be a Scum Ball, so be that also.
 
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And how many smokers will get sick and--God forbid--die, because of his rantings and ravings and lies--all to protect his "research" funding and to please his big tobacco and big pharma masters/donors.

Bingo!

It's hard for me to be all "PC" when it comes to things like Slantz. Those who Profit Off others and Stroke their Narcissistic Egos at the Expense and Under the Guise of "Promoting Public Health".
 

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Bingo!

It's hard for me to be all "PC" when it comes to things like Slantz. Those who Profit Off others and Stroke their Narcissistic Egos at the Expense and Under the Guise of "Promoting Public Health".

But when that is the point then that really should be the point, and what is spoken of.

It's not about being PC or not, it's about right and wrong. Two wrongs never make a right.

He is getting his day in court, so let courts decide his guilt or innocence in these matters. (I actually do believe in due process)

Where concerns the rest, his guilt speaks for itself.

Glory in truth, and you'll always be in the right, search for truth, speak the truth, and you never have to concern yourself with the rest.
 

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But when that is the point then that really should be the point, and what is spoken of.

It's not about being PC or not, it's about right and wrong. Two wrongs never make a right.

He is getting his day in court, so let courts decide his guilt or innocence in these matters. (I actually do believe in due process)

Where concerns the rest, his guilt speaks for itself.

Glory in truth, and you'll always be in the right, search for truth, speak the truth, and you never have to concern yourself with the rest.

Help me out here.

What are the Two Wrongs that is supposed to be making a Right?
 

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Seriously?

Its English. .. if you want to argue I'm not into it. Really not in the sparring mood. (One day only, revel in it while you can)

Read what I wrote if you like, feel free to agree or disagree... don't much care.

What I said was clear. If what you don't like about the man is the fact he lies to the public in a very obvious an open way, then criticize him on those points. ..

The rest is pointless. .. as you yourself pointed out.
 

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Seriously?

Its English. .. if you want to argue I'm not into it. Really not in the sparring mood.

Read what I wrote if you like, feel free to agree or disagree... don't much care.

What I said was clear. If what you don't like about the man is the fact he lies to the public in a very obvious an open way, then criticize him on those points. ..

The rest is pointless. .. as you yourself pointed out.

Why don't you go back and Re-Read everything I have Posted in this Thread.

Because I have made No Judgment in Slantz's Guilt or Innocence in this Lawsuit. That has yet to be Determined in a Court of Law.

So if that is what you are trying to get at, then it sounds like another one of those "you people" things like before.
 
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