Starting to feel more "outcasted" vaping than smoking

[talontsiawd]

I have been vaping for about 2 months now. Thus far, I have yet to find a single place where I can vape indoors. Usually, they won't even let me try to explain. I understand that is the business owner's decision but I would think someone in my area would get it. Outdoors, I have yet to be able to vape anywhere that I could not smoke. As a smoker, I tend to "hide out" or stay next to ash trays to avoid comments. I have only had a few but no more or no less than I would as a smoker.

When I try to explain anything to anyone, they don't want to hear it. Every business says that they really don't know much about them so they just have to say no. Every person who makes a "smoking" comment just doesn't care to hear. I guess that makes sense because anyone who will judge you based on something that trivial would not care to open their mind.

On top of that, I get weird looks when I am driving. I get the look of "is he doing what I think he is?". No, I am not doing whatever you think I am doing, it's not weed, and it's not something worse.


To add insult to injury, I have found that they sell these at the canibus clubs so the few people who know what they are tend to assume I actually am smoking weed (but at least from an educated perspective). I tell them it's just nicotine. That doesn't bug me so much, I don't really have any issues with medical canibus but I don't use canibus myself.

Basically, I am feeling that I am treated as a smoker as often as ever. But now, people assume I am smoking weed or some other drug, from either an educated or non educated perspective.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect the world to instantly understand. I would just assume I would have met a few people who would listen. I would expect some people to know what it is, quite frankly, as well. The only place I have been able to vape inside besides friends/family houses is a place that sells PV's in my area. Don't get me wrong, I didn't start this to be able to do it everywhere I pleased, I just would wish people understood it is not at all the same as smoking. To add people thinking I am smoking something else, that just makes it work. I feel like I have to buy a shirt that explains why I am not doing what you think I am doing, from smoking to drug use.

 

[Uncle Willie]

You live in Cali .. what do you expect .. ??

 

[jameth]

I love it when someone says something to the effect of "that looks like a crack pipe!"

Clearly these people have no idea what a crack pipe looks like, I guess they just think anything they can't identify must be a crack pipe?

I know some people who may or may not have been crack heads in a previous life, and they certainly have never found it to come close to resembling a crack pipe.

In the end, I don't give a crap what people think.

The only situation I don't particularly want to find my self in is having to explain to a law enforcement officer what it is.

 

[talontsiawd]

You live in Cali .. what do you expect .. ??

I said this in another post, but I don't only live in Cali, I live in the Bay Area, the land where it is actually more acceptable for a homeless person to smoke crack in public than a working person to smoke a cigarette in public.

Some lady almost ran me off the road about 2 years ago for smoking a cigarette in my car. Note that I was not ashing out of my car, just smoking. She proceeded to call me a ..... at the next stop light when it opened to two lanes and asked me what the hell I was thinking. There is a bit of poor perception out here, people forget that their personal opinions on something do not reflect laws. Then they often get confused about what they don't like, I think she assumed I was throwing cigarettes out my window when I was merely smoking, not only legal, but not particularly harmful either. But yes, we do get a bunch of very ignorant "advocates" who tend to need to express their views but are often not clear on their views when questioned on them by anyone who has some sense of intelligence.

My favorite example was people getting furious that I voted "no" on Prop 8 years back. People were furious that I would vote "against" gay marriage. I had to explain that I voted against the appeal of gay marriage, that a vote yes would repeal the law and thus make gay marriage illegal. I saw the "oh ....." moment on their face when they realized they voted yes to the appeal of the right to gay marriage. Clueless people out here.

 

[jameth]

I grew up in the Sacramento area.

I am glad to be out of California.

Fin.

 

[talontsiawd]

I grew up in the Sacramento area.

I am glad to be out of California.

Fin.

I love Cali, especially the bay. I just don't like how people think this area is super open minded and "progressive". Most people who consider themselves "open minded" and "progressive" are actually very closed minded and follow a very narrow agenda that does little socially, environmentally, politically, or otherwise. It's just a case of people sharing a similar belief system so those involved feel like they have an impact as they are around like minded people, not impacting those who don't have the same opinions. Very much like a religion, though these people usually consider religion to be a very negative carry over of old culture that we need to progress from, well, christian beliefs that is.


That is only a small part of living here but when it comes down to something specific like this, it can be extremely off putting.

 

[jameth]

I liked California, before those "open minded" and "progressive" people destroyed nearly everything that made it great.

As you said, what they think they are (and are doing), and what they really are (and are doing), are two very different things.

Lets not even talk about California's economy!

 

[VapPornRules]

I vape everywhere indoors -- i just don't ask. And I have a provari with a tank.

 

[jameth]

I vape everywhere indoors -- i just don't ask. And I have a provari with a tank.

I have said it before in similar threads, but to me, I am trying to emulate smoking, so I will follow the rules in regards to smoking.

If our vapes were simply providing nicotine, and not producing clouds of "vapor", then no one would care.

But we try to emulate smoking, all the way to the cloud of "smoke" that we blow out.

I think its rude and arrogant to blow huge clouds of anything in a place where it is not normally done, I don't care if its vapor or not.

I think being a-holes about it is the quickest way to get the ban-hammer to come down.

Having said that, I have stealth vaped indoors plenty, but always in situations that I absolutely knew it would not bother anyone.

I vape for my health, not to blow clouds in restaurants and stores.

My 2 cents on the topic.

 

[talontsiawd]

I have said it before in similar threads, but to me, I am trying to emulate smoking, so I will follow the rules in regards to smoking.

If our vapes were simply providing nicotine, and not producing clouds of "vapor", then no one would care.

But we try to emulate smoking, all the way to the cloud of "smoke" that we blow out.

I think its rude and arrogant to blow huge clouds of anything in a place where it is not normally done, I don't care if its vapor or not.

I think being a-holes about it is the quickest way to get the ban-hammer to come down.

Having said that, I have stealth vaped indoors plenty, but always in situations that I absolutely knew it would not bother anyone.

I vape for my health, not to blow clouds in restaurants and stores.

My 2 cents on the topic.

I agree and that has been my philosophy. I will ask in an environment that may seem appropriate however. I have been surprised that I get a "no" every time as the few people I have met that vape have said they have many places they go that allow it, even enjoy the fact they are known for allowing it. On the flip side, I am not really a bar person, nor do I go to a lot of them. I go with friends so I wouldn't go out of my way to go to one that is "vape friendly" as my friends would not care.


That said, I still feel like I am treated worse and get more strange looks than smoking a cigarette. I will stealth vape in a bathroom or anywhere I am away from others, which is a plus compared to smoking.


I did have one incident where I accidentally vaped in doors. It was at an aquarium store I go to often and they looked at me like "what are you doing?". I just said, sorry, it's a habit, they were not mad when it was clear it was a mistake. They did ask me about it when I checked out, just out of interest as to what it was. I explained it, how it has no tobacco, at this point has been shown to have no harmful second hand smoke and is commonly used in doors. They didn't really take interest in that or seem to want me to do it inside but they thought it was great that I quit smoking cigarettes and it seemed healthier (they used to see me smoke out front). Kind of ironic that my only positive response was accidentally using it and feeling bad. I don't think they would be happy if it happened again though.

 

[jameth]

I agree and that has been my philosophy. I will ask in an environment that may seem appropriate however. I have been surprised that I get a "no" every time as the few people I have met that vape have said they have many places they go that allow it, even enjoy the fact they are known for allowing it. On the flip side, I am not really a bar person, nor do I go to a lot of them. I go with friends so I wouldn't go out of my way to go to one that is "vape friendly" as my friends would not care.


That said, I still feel like I am treated worse and get more strange looks than smoking a cigarette. I will stealth vape in a bathroom or anywhere I am away from others, which is a plus compared to smoking.


I did have one incident where I accidentally vaped in doors. It was at an aquarium store I go to often and they looked at me like "what are you doing?". I just said, sorry, it's a habit, they were not mad when it was clear it was a mistake. They did ask me about it when I checked out, just out of interest as to what it was. I explained it, how it has no tobacco, at this point has been shown to have no harmful second hand smoke and is commonly used in doors. They didn't really take interest in that or seem to want me to do it inside but they thought it was great that I quit smoking cigarettes and it seemed healthier (they used to see me smoke out front). Kind of ironic that my only positive response was accidentally using it and feeling bad. I don't think they would be happy if it happened again though.

On that note, from what I understand nicotine is extremely toxic to aquatic / marine organisms.

However, in my office at work I actually have a little mini reef bio cube set up, that sits about a foot from me, and I chain vape all day long.

It doesn't appear to be effecting it at all.

Infact my vapor tends to drift twards and over the open top of my tank all the time, but all is well in the reef.

 

[talontsiawd]

On that note, from what I understand nicotine is extremely toxic to aquatic / marine organisms.

However, in my office at work I actually have a little mini reef bio cube set up, that sits about a foot from me, and I chain vape all day long.

It doesn't appear to be effecting it at all.

Infact my vapor tends to drift twards and over the open top of my tank all the time, but all is well in the reef.

This thread is going all over the place but I enjoy that lol. From Cali hate to aquariums.

I have a tank in my home studio and since I have been vaping, I lost a few fish. They were purchased very sickly and I believe that they were going to die regardless. I wonder if vaping in the same room, often while watching my tank, caused any issues. The healthy fish that survived look great.

It doesn't help that the vapor over the tank, under the lights look so cool. I was going to ask on a forum but I didn't want to explain what a PV is and I know I would not get an educated response. I know vapor would get into the water more easily than it would get into anything else, I wonder if I should get some glass tops.

 

[jameth]

This thread is going all over the place but I enjoy that lol. From Cali hate to aquariums.

I have a tank in my home studio and since I have been vaping, I lost a few fish. They were purchased very sickly and I believe that they were going to die regardless. I wonder if vaping in the same room, often while watching my tank, caused any issues. The healthy fish that survived look great.

It doesn't help that the vapor over the tank, under the lights look so cool. I was going to ask on a forum but I didn't want to explain what a PV is and I know I would not get an educated response. I know vapor would get into the water more easily than it would get into anything else, I wonder if I should get some glass tops.

I have some live coral in my little reef tank, and they are very susceptible to toxins in the water, or out of balance nitrates/nitrites etc...

The tank is totally open top, with a super bright metal halide clip on light on top, and yea the vapor flowing under that is cool looking

Anyhow yea the way the ventilation works in here, I exhale, and it pretty much all floats right over my tank.

So far, (almost a year of vaping every week day right next to it for 8 hours) and it has not shown any signs of problems.

I was pretty concerned about it at first though, because I heard alot of info about nicotine's toxicity to aquatic life.

Infact the bottles of juice from intelliCIG have a picture of a dead fish on them with a bunch of warning text about harming wildlife from improper disposal.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I said this in another post, but I don't only live in Cali, I live in the Bay Area, the land where it is actually more acceptable for a homeless person to smoke crack in public than a working person to smoke a cigarette in public.

I think that pretty much says it all ... myself, living in Illinois, also a "non-smoking" haven, I just adapt to what the rules are ..

When the statewide ban went into effect, all business were included .. and part of the logic (if that's what you want to call it) was "We need to protect the non-smokers from second hand smoke, in bars, casinos, etc" .. now, there is a strong push to allow casinos to have smokers .. I guess the casino employees just don't warrant protection (said with tongue firmly in cheek) ...

Botton line .. if you blow smoke or anything that looks like smoke, prepare to be a second class citizen .. unless you're homeless with a crack pipe ..

 

[mostlyclassics]

talontsiawd, you can always vote with your feet and move to another state.

Like Uncle Willie, my wife and I live in Illinois. We'll be retiring in a few years. We're also sick and tired of what the pols have done to this state. And we won't be able to afford helping bail this state out of its mess via our state and local taxes. (About $1.7 billion dollars of Illinois' massive deficit has been caused by the Illinois Indoor Clean Air Act and the loss in restaurant/tavern sales tax and casino tax revenues.) So, we'll be moving on when the time comes.

Suck rocks, Illinois.

 

[Uncle Willie]

talontsiawd, you can always vote with your feet and move to another state.

Like Uncle Willie, my wife and I live in Illinois. We'll be retiring in a few years. We're also sick and tired of what the pols have done to this state. And we won't be able to afford helping bail this state out of its mess via our state and local taxes. (About $1.7 billion dollars of Illinois' massive deficit has been caused by the Illinois Indoor Clean Air Act and the loss in restaurant/tavern sales tax and casino tax revenues.) So, we'll be moving on when the time comes.

Suck rocks, Illinois.

Funny you should mention that .. we've been looking at houses in Missouri .. 22 years in Illinois and my property taxes are now close to what my entire original house payment was ..

 

[Gibby!]

I have said it before in similar threads, but to me, I am trying to emulate smoking, so I will follow the rules in regards to smoking.

If our vapes were simply providing nicotine, and not producing clouds of "vapor", then no one would care.

But we try to emulate smoking, all the way to the cloud of "smoke" that we blow out.

I think its rude and arrogant to blow huge clouds of anything in a place where it is not normally done, I don't care if its vapor or not.

I think being a-holes about it is the quickest way to get the ban-hammer to come down.

Having said that, I have stealth vaped indoors plenty, but always in situations that I absolutely knew it would not bother anyone.

I vape for my health, not to blow clouds in restaurants and stores.

My 2 cents on the topic.

I agree with ya here Jameth, and I do stealth vape as well, but the layout of the "cube" I sit in has the closest people sit about 8-10 feet away, so my "smoke" is long since dispersed by the time it would reach them... plus I blow it at the wall at the back of the cube and toward the floor. Its just so convenient to do it, and much more inconvenient to go outside and "smoke", but the second anyone said anything it would get put away and outside I go. There are a growing number of people where I work who also vape, so its growing in popularity.

 

[talontsiawd]

On that note, from what I understand nicotine is extremely toxic to aquatic / marine organisms.

However, in my office at work I actually have a little mini reef bio cube set up, that sits about a foot from me, and I chain vape all day long.

It doesn't appear to be effecting it at all.

Infact my vapor tends to drift twards and over the open top of my tank all the time, but all is well in the reef.

Good to know. My tank is freshwater but plenty of light (high tech planted tank with CO2, etc), I have seen reefs with less light than my tank, though most reefs would have more. The vapor looks awesome over the tank. Glad you have not seen issues, I doubt I will.

 

[pnc81498]

I have a 100 gallon reef tank I guess I should stop using it for my mixing table it's just the perfect height!! I had to have a team meeting with my employee's today explaining our policy on vaping in the building..... This sucked because I vape and don't agree with the policy, Then it hit me if I would have stealth vaped and told nobody about how I quit smoking this conversation wouldn't be taking place. In the end there is 3 non smokers in my shop now so in the end it was worth it..

O my tank is total inclosure with sump filter the fish are safe

 

[Pamdane]

Vape and even real 2nd hand smoke will not affect fish. The amount of nicotine is not enough to rise to even a remotely lethal dose. Now, spilling the juice in the water or putting out a cig in the water, is a different situation. With all the testing we do on our tanks water to ensure correct living levels for the different area requirements, its surprising they dont include a nicotine level indicator for this. Fill vial to line, add 2 drops of x, 3 drops of y, shake. Wait 5 minutes and compare to color chart! LOL.

I love the 2 hobbies(vape/aquarist). Smoke on the water is so cool to watch. I used to have over 20 breeding/show tanks set up in my fish room. It was the only room in my house that I would smoke indoors in. I had one central air pump on a shelf, pumping lines into all the tanks. My brine shrimp hatches were about 85%, which is rather good too. I still follow the local goings on of the aquarium society I belonged to. But I only have one tank now, and just vape....

As for smoking in public, I dont ask. I just do it. I've never had a bad situation arise. When I'm asked not to vape, I stop. But unless we get people seeing us and asking questions, I dont feel we can progress to educating the public. They have to be curious to listen. my $.02