Stealth-Juice: Vaporless E-Liquid

[DCrist721]

That's not the same thing, though. The argument is that holding in the vapor will cause liquid to collect in your lungs, but what about evaporation? Won't normal breathing expel the TINY amount of liquid this would cause before it ever builds up?

Taking a steamy shower would cause far more water to get into your lungs - but nobody dies from showering.

Honestly, I don't know how much it would take for a teaspoon of liquid to collect, but he was mostly warning against the other chemicals condensing and coating the lungs, such as the nicotine, the dozens of chemicals in the flavorings and the pg/vg being deposited in the lungs. When you're in the shower though, you aren't taking big concentrated breaths in and holding it for 10 seconds; you are breathing freely which allows the vapor to exit before condensing. I'll ask him about the shower thing though. I don't know how any liquid in your lungs would evaporate though, for two reasons. One being that your body does not reach boiling temperatures, and two, in order for evaporation to occur without vaporization, the air around the liquid has to be low in humidity. The lungs are a very humid environment, so evaporation would be slow and difficult, if it could occur at all. Coughing is what expels liquid that collects in the lungs, but sometimes it is not triggered for one reason or another.

 

[Lithium1330]

Maybe that killed Mayans, Toltecs and American Indians:

Temascal Baths | Yucatan Today

If you hold your breath during a temascal bath for 20 seconds 16 times could it kill you?

The Temascal: Traditional Sweat Bath MEXICAN HISTORY - PERSPECTIVES. By Ronald A. Barnett, Mexican history writer for Access Mexico Connect - The Electronic Magazine all about Mexico

 

[ZambucaLu]

I have had to do this several times when out in certain public places. It's really not that big of a deal. It's in my mouth mere seconds before it starts coming out my nose....lol

It's gone in a flash really.

Honestly, I don't think anyone's gonna die from it

Lu

 

[DCrist721]

Maybe that killed Mayans, Toltecs and American Indians:

Temascal Baths | Yucatan Today

If you hold your breath during a temascal bath for 20 seconds 16 times could it kill you?

The Temascal: Traditional Sweat Bath MEXICAN HISTORY - PERSPECTIVES. By Ronald A. Barnett, Mexican history writer for Access Mexico Connect - The Electronic Magazine all about Mexico

First off, I never said it would kill you, I just said that it would deposit liquid in your lungs, and that one teaspoon of liquid will cause pneumonia. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's fun, I just want everyone to be safe.

Where are you getting the 20 seconds and 16 times from though?

 

[Lithium1330]

First off, I never said it would kill you, I just said that it would deposit liquid in your lungs, and that one teaspoon of liquid will cause pneumonia. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's fun, I just want everyone to be safe.

Where are you getting the 20 seconds and 16 times from though?

Just asking, a regular "smoke" session is about 16 draws, so I'm assuming that if you want to hide your vapor you need to hold the vapor 16 times for 20 seconds each.

Somebody willing to try it? I'll do it when/if I manage to get some supplies...

 

[Faethe]

I let it come out my nose and cover up my nose. The pilot is really small. You can palm it quite easily.

 

[DCrist721]

Just asking, a regular "smoke" session is about 16 draws, so I'm assuming that if you want to hide your vapor you need to hold the vapor 16 times for 20 seconds each.

Somebody willing to try it? I'll do it when/if I manage to get some supplies...

What is this supposed to prove? Is this person going to do before and after x-rays of their lungs? And as far as the pneumonia risk, I doubt one smoke session would be enough to accumulate a teaspoon of water. All this test would do is coat the persons lungs in whatever chemicals are in the e-cig, and they wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the effects unless they got a bunch of x-rays and did this over a period of several days or weeks. Is it that important to risk it?

I let it come out my nose and cover up my nose. The pilot is really small. You can palm it quite easily.

How do you let it come out of your nose while you're covering your nose? If you just mean cupping your hand over your nose - I just tried that right now and it didn't contain the vapor at all.

 

[Lithium1330]

What is this supposed to prove? Is this person going to do before and after x-rays of their lungs? And as far as the pneumonia risk, I doubt one smoke session would be enough to accumulate a teaspoon of water. All this test would do is coat the persons lungs in whatever chemicals are in the e-cig, and they wouldn't be able to tell you anything about the effects unless they got a bunch of x-rays and did this over a period of several days or weeks. Is it that important to risk it?


How do you let it come out of your nose while you're covering your nose? If you just mean cupping your hand over your nose - I just tried that right now and it didn't contain the vapor at all.

I understand your concern but read about PG all over this forum and you will see how people is abusing of it A LOT, our bodies can handle the PG pretty well, the PG is almost inmediatly absorbed and it can't coat in your lungs so easy, a lot of studies has been done for inhalation of PG, just search the forum and then you will see how safe it is.

 

[Faethe]

How do you let it come out of your nose while you're covering your nose? If you just mean cupping your hand over your nose - I just tried that right now and it didn't contain the vapor at all.

Lol I know. It was the only thing I could think to do!

 

[Liza]

Maybe I'm wrong here or maybe it's just my experience but I have four smoking devices and the amount of vapor seems to vary. I like my 801 because I DO get vapor. Of course, I don't sit in a restaurant or at work with it, but my Great White has very little vapor. I would imagine if I was using it in puplic most people wouldn't even notice it, if I used it discreetly. Certainly noone would notice it if I used it in a bathroom. I'm also certain there are other smoking devices that give off less vapor that I don't have experience with.

 

[DCrist721]

I understand your concern but read about PG all over this forum and you will see how people is abusing of it A LOT, our bodies can handle the PG pretty well, the PG is almost inmediatly absorbed and it can't coat in your lungs so easy, a lot of studies has been done for inhalation of PG, just search the forum and then you will see how safe it is.

What about the 4 dozen different chemicals in the flavoring. Most people don't even know what all the ingredients are in their e-liquid.

 

[JeremyJames]

I like this thread, great IDEA, I do stealth vape on kind of a normal basis at work, the non-smokers have no idea of my vaping at my desk...I do the hold in thing sometimes but usually what I do is blow out my nose with a lot of force and it becomes invisible that way, try it.

 

[Xtian]

Thank you for letting me know about holding in the vapor.
Its good to know these things.

I seem to learn a lot reading these forums, heh.

I never really held in the vapor for that long, 3 seconds at the longest, but the who liquidation process you mention does make sense, and it gets me worried.

Not worried about my own saftey, but the fact that a lot of people wont think twice about doing this who vape.

Someone gets hospitalized because of an ecig and holding vapor, and then we have yet again, another reason to have these things banned.

If you do drugs, such as ....... and ecstasy, are you going to die? probably not, if you know what your doing, and if everyone knew what they were doing, these drugs among others may still be legal. Yet someone decides to try these drugs while going to clubs and parties, get overheated and die. Which obviously isn't a smart idea, since it raises body temperature and gets your heart racing.

Same with the ecig, There are RULES to using this, it isn't a toy.

I am glad I found this topic, who knows, at some point I may have started doing this to avoid attention in certain places. One less thing to worry about now.

 

[DCrist721]

Yeah, I mean it's not a definite that it'll land you in the hospital, but it's definitely not good for you. And after the doctor family-friend who I mentioned scared the **** out of me about holding it in, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

An easy way to get rid of the vapor is to get a fast-food cup with a lid and stray filled halfway with water, and then blow your hits into the straw. This will substantially cut down the vapor, and most of the vapor that makes it through the water will be trapped under the lid until it dissipates.

 

[Xtian]

Not a bad idea,

But I don't really ghost at all, I just make sure I'm not blowing big clouds in front of a semi large crowed.

If I'm outside, most of the vapor flies away and disappears before anyone even notices it.

Indoors, just blow it down at your feet or something.

I had a lady sitting right next to me who watched me pull out my ecig and start vaping, and she just said "is that to help you quit smoking?"

she obviously knew it wasn't a cigarette, but also never saw the thing before, I use a black ecig with a blue LED so it doesn't grab too much attention as a "cigarette"

 

[ISAWHIM]

Distilled water only... Since tap water has Chlorene and Chloramine, both are highly cancerous. (Not to mention possibly floride which is lung-toxic.)

Other Tap-water issues related to pesticides, copper, lead, tin, aluminum, mercury, etc...

Passing through intestines is one thing... passing through the lungs, and going directly to the brain are another... (Thus the FDA's concern. Righfully with respect to "China = Lead poisoning", from past experiances with dealing with China manufacturing. Not that all manufactures use lead, but many times they don't disclose the contents in smaller knock-off brands. Um, because they are already breaking the law, making knock-offs, so why would they tell the truth about the contents.)

Do not use "home" reverse osmosis water either... They strip some elements, and then add them back to the water, to give it the water taste. Some only do a portion of water, not all the water you get from the faucet. (Major brands only do 50 gallons a day.)

Softened water is down-right dangerous due to the salt-levels and high-mineral levels. Puddle water would be safer.

 

[Mary Kay]

Even if you deal with the vapor, what about the light? I like it at home but in public it calls too much attention. I would like to see an on/off switch or at least a battery warning light only.
Mary

 

[Mary Kay]

geez, be careuful of what you wish for! One of my batteries won't light up..but it's working fine other wise! The orange warning light is fine, just not the blue one. LOL I guess this will be my sneak draw public pv
Mary

 

[OldBiker]

Do not use "home" reverse osmosis water either... They strip some elements, and then add them back to the water, to give it the water taste. Some only do a portion of water, not all the water you get from the faucet. (Major brands only do 50 gallons a day.)

I beg to differ, I'm an experienced hydroponic grower and as such know quite a bit about water. If your reverse osmosis adds something back to the water get rid of it unless you know what it adds back and want it in your water. I have several rather expensive water quality meters, and I KNOW my RO system adds nothing back. The 50 gallon a day is close though, most of the ones that advertise 99 gallons a day usually fall in the range of 30 or so g.a.d. BTW some things added back to water are good for both plants and animals, growers call them trace minerals.

 

[spradling]

Are you guys insane? This should never be done with e-cigs just as it should never be done with analogs. Did you ever stop to think where the vapor was "disappearing" to? By holding it in you're giving it time to cool and condense back into a liquid form. You definitely do not want the chemicals in this stuff coating your lungs, not to mention that just the water vapor alone being deposited as a liquid in your lungs is a quick way to give yourself Pneumonia.

EDIT: I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, it just really scares me when people say things like this. So please don't do this guys, I would hate to find out that one of you got really sick from doing this.

WOW, good thinking. I'm going to stop doing that! (I sometimes do it on the bus, when I don't feel like explaining to people who ask).