Steeping overrated

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The rule if thumb is simple really... buy juice from a professional operation and no need to steep, but from a hack shop who mixes an artificial flavor with nix and PG/VG and ship means steep and pray


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I agree with the OP... after 4+ years of buying juices... from many different vendors, many don't really need steeping... some really do... so pay attention to what the vendor and fanboys/girls say about particular juices. I typically steep nets and really complex juices with highly contrasting flavors...

Yup! :D

Steeping eliquids is all about "diffusion" per Hoosier and Kurt--who just happen to be experts on the subject.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ask-veterans/158262-steeping-explanation.html#post2594434

Steeping, aging, diffusing... it's all good! :)

And in most instances unnecessary... :p Taste your juice when it arrives--if you like it, vape it. If you don't like it, let it sit for a while... It may get better, but it may also get much worse. :facepalm: Eliquid flavors change with time; I like some of my favorite juices when they are very young, others taste better--to my taste buds--after a while. We're all different. YMMV. Whatever works!

The only juices that absolutely require steeping are DIY juices--those flavor molecules need time to properly diffuse in the base.

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Here's a reddit posted note from five pawns... steeping not required (the professionals take care of that)
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We're not the typical "squeeze bottle e-juice". We are a premium liquid, and we are… Five Pawns. We hope you appreciate our efforts.
Sincerely,
Five Pawns Inc. 17145 Von Karman Ave. #105 Irvine, CA 92614 (949) 474-11


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Dekang and Hangsen eliquids do not require steeping either. :D

BTW, I visited their flagship store in Irvine the other day. I tasted several ejuices. Yes, they make high quality and complex eliquids, but for people, like myself, who hate boozy, citrusy and nutty flavors, the selection is painfully limited. I think Gambit was the only one I liked.

Honestly, Liqua offers more flavors that I like than Five Pawns. :lol: As always, YMMV.
 

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The rule if thumb is simple really... buy juice from a professional operation and no need to steep, but from a hack shop who mixes an artificial flavor with nix and PG/VG and ship means steep and pray


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Could you name any of those hack shops? Just curious.

For example, do you consider Ahlusion a hack shop? Some of their eliquids require steeping...
 

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Steeping, its exactly like buying a pie from your local bakery … that wasn't baked.

Alternatively its like buying a cask of rum, just wait 12 years it'll be good then … unless you prefer your rum aged 23 years.

Thankfully its far easier than buying your next new car at the dealerships parts counter and doing the assembly yourself.

It does say one thing about this industry though, if you make e-liquids you aren't going to be able to keep the stuff on your shelves very long.

Or maybe it's that vendors are just too eager to make the next sale.

There are companies that have the patience to wait on their product to be ready, like good rum they do cost a bit more.

Maurice
hi maurice
we are dealing with inert ingredients never intended to be cooked to make the final product.
as far as aging goes,i don't want any thing from the container leeching into
my e-juice giving it color and subtle nuances of flavor.some day if not already
some one will age it wooden kegs.
words and there meanings shouldn't be changed,co-opted,or owned by any one.
the story of the tower of babble wasn't god creating new languages.
it was god making it so no one understood each other anymore.
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Are we all talking about the same thing when we talk about "steeping" I've heard some say take the caps off, others say leave them on. Some say put them in a dark cool place, others say dark & warm.


I wouldn't know if I'm steeping or not.

I have to admit that you make a good point. :) Steeping is primarily aging. The other stuff is simply user preference.

If you want to take the caps off for awhile then go ahead and do so. If not, then don't. It will age either way.

Personally, I don't intentionally age any of my liquids. It just happens naturally because it takes me awhile to go through them all. I keep them at room temperature in low light conditions. A bookcase in the corner of my office away from direct sunlight. The only time I take the cap off is if the liquid has an alcohol or other undesirable taste to it. Even then I only leave the cap off for about 12 hours. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't.

Try not to over think it and you'll be fine. Just enjoy the vape.
 

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hi maurice
we are dealing with inert ingredients never intended to be cooked to make the final product.
as far as aging goes,i don't want any thing from the container leeching into
my e-juice giving it color and subtle nuances of flavor.some day if not already
some one will age it wooden kegs.
words and there meanings shouldn't be changed,co-opted,or owned by any one.
the story of the tower of babble wasn't god creating new languages.
it was god making it so no one understood each other anymore.
:2c:
regards
mike

Evening Mike,

I like to use analogies, they aren't intended to correlate seamlessly as I am not a professional writer or overly clever with respect to word selection. I intended it to be a more enjoyable way of voicing my opinion than saying simply, "hey vendors, why not steep your liquids so we don't have to worry about it and the come to us the way you intended".

Maurice
 

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some day if not already some one will age it wooden kegs.

Done already. Five Pawns with the Castle Long Reserve eliquid line.

From their website:
"Castle Long Reserve has been aged and steeped in a treated oak barrel for three weeks. Liquid extracted from the barrels has been filtered using a proprietary filtration process before bottling."
 

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Taking caps off is not steeping. Please read the link I posted above--Hoosier explains it there.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ask-veterans/158262-steeping-explanation.html#post2594434

According to his definition, I'm always steeping.

I usually open four bottles of juice at a time. The rest of my juice is boxed & sitting on a shelf in an air conditioned room. It takes me three to four weeks before one of my four bottles goes empty, then I just grab another flavor. Some of that juice has been sitting on my shelf for five weeks or more (& I've only been vaping for nine weeks or so.
 

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Done already. Five Pawns with the Castle Long Reserve eliquid line.

From their website:
"Castle Long Reserve has been aged and steeped in a treated oak barrel for three weeks. Liquid extracted from the barrels has been filtered using a proprietary filtration process before bottling."
now thats aging.
let me know when they start using used jim beam barrels.
i'll have mine unfiltered thank you.
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now thats aging.
let me know when they start using used jim beam barrels.
i'll have mine unfiltered thank you.
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mike
I'm pretty sure someone is using Jim Beam Barrels I can't remember who. It does seem that I had seen a few sites list they used Kentucky bourbon barrels too, which may or may not be Jim Beam. I wonder if any of the companies would tell you who's barrels they are actually using.
 

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Could you name any of those hack shops? Just curious.

For example, do you consider Ahlusion a hack shop? Some of their eliquids require steeping...

I absolutely put Ahlusion in that group!! Use common sense, how can any supplier claim to care about quality while offering 200 flavors! How much time can they possibly spend creating them? I tried several of their 'blends' and it seems clear they are the typical mix some pg/VG, nic and a quick splash of some artificial flavoring and ship... if it happens to be gross on arrival, just put it in a deep dark place for a few weeks and hope for the best!


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The Steam Co makes some really nice juice... the do so be running a professional operation which takes quality seriously. As part of that, they understand that shipping a half baked product is wrong. They don't make their customers finish the job... steeped before you ever see it.

http://www.thesteamco.com/pages/about-our-ejuice



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Glad this thread is still stirring heated debate. LOL. Had plenty of different juices from different vendors since I started it. Some needed steep, some not. Bottom line IMHO, I don't think vendors should sell something that's not ready for the consumer to consume. With a few exceptions such as made to order flavors. Don't think that business practice would translate to other goods. I'm a baker. I don't sell half baked loaves of bread that need to be finished at home.
 
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