Steeping overrated

[rjtoole]

I'd say aging is more acurate. We take bottles of e-liquid and store them in cool/dry/dark places, Like cupboards and closets. It's akin to taking a bottle of wine and putting it in the cellar. Steeping in all essence is taking a bunch of tea leaves and placing them in a pot of boiling water.

 

[edyle]

I'd say aging is more acurate. We take bottles of e-liquid and store them in cool/dry/dark places, Like cupboards and closets. It's akin to taking a bottle of wine and putting it in the cellar. Steeping in all essence is taking a bunch of tea leaves and placing them in a pot of boiling water.

I'd say it's somewhat like droping a piece of cinamon into a bottle of glycerin; it takes a whole lot longer for that cinnamon flavor to spread in glycerin than in water.

That's why the ultrasonic cleaner works; ultrasound is just high frequency sound; sound is vibration; so an ultrasonic cleaner just shakes the thing for ya without a whole lotta noise.

 

[dead not sleeping]

The word should be 'bonding'.

In my opinion, 'steeping' is not overrated, its essential. This isn't as simple as making a sandwich, its chemistry. Molecules combine according to their component configuration. Some molecules just won't bond to other molecules. But add nitrogen, oxygen, CO2, sugars, acids and others, and these pieces can fit together. Simple sugars combine readily, more complex, not so readily. Add heat and movement and it can do it faster. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but either way it takes time to chemically sort out. Whatever you call it, these less complex molecules do form more complex molecules over time. That effects taste, viscosity, color, etc. As far as air and weather, you're kidding right? I didn't know a rainstorm changes the taste of my juice. And if its not a chemical process, show me how you can 'unmix' a juice back to its original components.

 

[Coldrake]

Lively discussion.This marinara sauce that was being bantered about... was it Prego or Ragu? If that is the case you can get away with just stirring and heating it. It was steeping while on the grocer's shelf.

It was made from scratch. I don't buy store bought.

haven't from scratch but plenty of blending ready made juices.
never takes more than 2 days for the air to settle out.

That will tell you absolutely nothing. No wonder you don't understand.

Either you are wrong or thousands of vapers and e-liquid manufacturers have somehow been mass hypnotized. I believe you are wrong.

 

[Coldrake]

The word should be 'bonding'.

In my opinion, 'steeping' is not overrated, its essential. This isn't as simple as making a sandwich, its chemistry. Molecules combine according to their component configuration. Some molecules just won't bond to other molecules. But add nitrogen, oxygen, CO2, sugars, acids and others, and these pieces can fit together. Simple sugars combine readily, more complex, not so readily. Add heat and movement and it can do it faster. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but either way it takes time to chemically sort out. Whatever you call it, these less complex molecules do form more complex molecules over time. That effects taste, viscosity, color, etc. As far as air and weather, you're kidding right? I didn't know a rainstorm changes the taste of my juice. And if its not a chemical process, show me how you can 'unmix' a juice back to its original components.

Dead not sleeping, thank you, that pretty well covers everything that needs to be said. If skoony is unable to understand that, oh well.

 

[rabernet]

haven't from scratch but plenty of blending ready made juices.
never takes more than 2 days for the air to settle out.
i'm only mixing about 4 teaspoons at a time though.
after that the only thing to effect the flavor would be
a new weather front moving through.
in minnesoa that can be 3 or 4 times a week.
regards
mike

A weather front? Now your posts are nothing more than pure comic relief. Surely you're the only one who takes your posts seriously. LOL

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[rjtoole]

A weather front? Now your posts are nothing more than pure comic relief. Surely you're the only one who takes your posts seriously. LOL

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With all the two cents he's given I'm sure he's out a dollar or two, I digress... You don't have to be a scientist to vape but a smidgen of common sense goes a long way...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

if you refine and correct your process they shouldn't change at all,allmost 20 years of manufacturing experience
has taught me enough to know the ingredients in ecig don't age over there expected useful shelf life
expectancy.that is why they are used in nicotine inhalers.
what ever if anything is going on it is not aging,or steeping,or mysterious chemical processes.
most likely the air has leeched out or a good change of weather.
ask any one who makes pre-mixed flavoring for soda's or sno-cones
about you aging theory.

regards
mike

You know, that is a good idea. Why don't you contact Capella's flavordrops, or The Perfumers' Apprentice, or Flavor West, or FlavourArt. These companies actually have the chemist that develop and manufacture the 'flavorings' in not only food flavors, but these can and are used in the ejuice recipes. I would bet just by visiting some of these websites you could even begin to grasp what 'processes' are actually occurring when an ejuice is prepared.

If your only basing your opinion of the term of 'steeping' as opposed to the chemical reactions that occur with the process of developing a finished product then maybe you can 'coin' a new term that peeps will adhere to. Highly doubtful, but it would give you something productive to do other than this bantering in a public forum....which btw is a totally unfruitful adventure.
yes, pun intended

 

[Myk]

I'd say it's somewhat like droping a piece of cinamon into a bottle of glycerin; it takes a whole lot longer for that cinnamon flavor to spread in glycerin than in water.

That's why the ultrasonic cleaner works; ultrasound is just high frequency sound; sound is vibration; so an ultrasonic cleaner just shakes the thing for ya without a whole lotta noise.

I think there's more to it than that, at least for some flavorings.
I didn't notice any speed up using my professional cleaner on Caramel Cappuccino.

I think there's a lot going on and probably all the theories of what is going on are going on (except the theories that there's nothing going on ).

With TFA Strawberry but there's definitely a color change. I can't taste the difference but something is changing, it's not happening in the flavor bottle and it didn't happen in the ultrasonic.
Kind of odd considering 1.5ml of flavoring in a 30ml bottle can go in and be clear and then in a week or two it's a deep yellow.

 

[edyle]

I think there's more to it than that, at least for some flavorings.
I didn't notice any speed up using my professional cleaner on Caramel Cappuccino.

I think there's a lot going on and probably all the theories of what is going on are going on (except the theories that there's nothing going on ).

With TFA Strawberry but there's definitely a color change. I can't taste the difference but something is changing, it's not happening in the flavor bottle and it didn't happen in the ultrasonic.
Kind of odd considering 1.5ml of flavoring in a 30ml bottle can go in and be clear and then in a week or two it's a deep yellow.

In the case of a color change, that means a definite chemical change, not just a case of mixing.

 

[Purplepeeps]

Indoorsmokers Tuesday's topic! I love his videos btw.

Electronic Cigarettes 101: Breathing and Steeping Ejuice! | IndoorSmokers - YouTube

 

[donwuan]

In 1 yearish of vapin the only juice so far ive had 2 juices that i cant vape fresh. Mister E greymatter(best menthol but needs to breath) and bb/gj. Got a ton of new juices in this week and no steeping needed

Vapetrik dorky stud, el kamino, high five taste amazing out of mail.

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[jimivapr]

I think the point here is that if you buy juice from a hack who mixes up liquids on the kitchen table, puts them in a plastic bottle, slaps a dot matrix printed label on and ships it out to you, you likely need to let it sit to allow the alcohol to evaporate. If you buy from a serious manufacturer, they would be embarrassed to send something out unmixed and would likely let it 'steep' in their lab. This is why a place like five pawns has a date on the bottle. Consumers should 'steep' liquid no more than they should be required to cure their own tobacco. I think this industry is becoming mature enough to begin weeding out the hack DIYers. I just hope they disappear soon... if I get another bottle of puke sent to me I may go back to smoking (and I likely wouldn't roll my own with that either).


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[EleanorR]

I think the point here is that if you buy juice from a hack who mixes up liquids on the kitchen table, puts them in a plastic bottle, slaps a dot matrix printed label on and ships it out to you, you likely need to let it sit to allow the alcohol to evaporate. If you buy from a serious manufacturer, they would be embarrassed to send something out unmixed and would likely let it 'steep' in their lab. This is why a place like five pawns has a date on the bottle. Consumers should 'steep' liquid no more than they should be required to cure their own tobacco. I think this industry is becoming mature enough to begin weeding out the hack DIYers. I just hope they disappear soon... if I get another bottle of puke sent to me I may go back to smoking (and I likely wouldn't roll my own with that either).


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Umm, no . . . just no.

But thanks for playing.

 

[Myk]

I think the point here is that if you buy juice from a hack who mixes up liquids on the kitchen table, puts them in a plastic bottle, slaps a dot matrix printed label on and ships it out to you, you likely need to let it sit to allow the alcohol to evaporate. If you buy from a serious manufacturer, they would be embarrassed to send something out unmixed and would likely let it 'steep' in their lab. This is why a place like five pawns has a date on the bottle. Consumers should 'steep' liquid no more than they should be required to cure their own tobacco. I think this industry is becoming mature enough to begin weeding out the hack DIYers. I just hope they disappear soon... if I get another bottle of puke sent to me I may go back to smoking (and I likely wouldn't roll my own with that either).


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Consumer choice, not hacks.
If someone wants custom PG/VG ratios and flavor boosts that requires custom mixing. That generally requires steeping, steeping may take place during shipping or it may take longer.
If someone is happy with what they get (which is where I fell in) they can buy from places that make up huge amounts ahead of time.

 

[skoony]

I'd say aging is more acurate. We take bottles of e-liquid and store them in cool/dry/dark places, Like cupboards and closets. It's akin to taking a bottle of wine and putting it in the cellar. Steeping in all essence is taking a bunch of tea leaves and placing them in a pot of boiling water.

there is nothing remotely like aging as compared to wine going on with e-juice.
there cant be because of the ingredients used.they use these ingredients precisely
because they are very stable for a long time.

regards
mike

 

[skoony]

The word should be 'bonding'.

In my opinion, 'steeping' is not overrated, its essential. This isn't as simple as making a sandwich, its chemistry. Molecules combine according to their component configuration. Some molecules just won't bond to other molecules. But add nitrogen, oxygen, CO2, sugars, acids and others, and these pieces can fit together. Simple sugars combine readily, more complex, not so readily. Add heat and movement and it can do it faster. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but either way it takes time to chemically sort out. Whatever you call it, these less complex molecules do form more complex molecules over time. That effects taste, viscosity, color, etc. As far as air and weather, you're kidding right? I didn't know a rainstorm changes the taste of my juice. And if its not a chemical process, show me how you can 'unmix' a juice back to its original components.

complex schomplex.e-juice is just a glorified nicotine inhaler.
PG and VG are not used to enhance our vaping experience.
they're used because because they are good for dispersing subtances
very evenly and keeping them dispersed for a long time,
and are generally considered safe.
the vapor is just coincidental and i'd say good side benefit.
any molecular bond if any(i doubt there is any considering the ingredients used.)
would occur during mixing.you do not want any complex uncontrollable molecular bonding
going on.what if it recombines into strychnine?
the ingredients used are ones known to resist combining to form complex molecules.
mild heating is just agitation.high heating equals cooking which e-juice is not.
and don't forget the single largest component of the vapor is air.
the air around us.air temperature,humidity,and barometric pressure
along with the condition of your coil (new,just cleand,a week old) affects
the viscosity thus the taste of the juice.

regards
mike

 

[Myk]

You've had time now skoony. Have you tried that caramel cappuccino fresh yet?
No? Shocking.

 

[Coldrake]

complex schomplex.e-juice is just a glorified nicotine inhaler.
PG and VG are not used to enhance our vaping experience.
they're used because because they are good for dispersing subtances
very evenly and keeping them dispersed for a long time,
and are generally considered safe.
the vapor is just coincidental and i'd say good side benefit.
any molecular bond if any(i doubt there is any considering the ingredients used.)
would occur during mixing.you do not want any complex uncontrollable molecular bonding
going on.what if it recombines into strychnine?
the ingredients used are ones known to resist combining to form complex molecules.
mild heating is just agitation.high heating equals cooking which e-juice is not.
and don't forget the single largest component of the vapor is air.
the air around us.air temperature,humidity,and barometric pressure
along with the condition of your coil (new,just cleand,a week old) affects
the viscosity thus the taste of the juice.

regards
mike

I knew that you would be unable to understand Dead not sleeping's post. Like I said before, either you are wrong or thousands of vapers and e-liquid manufacturers have somehow been mass hypnotized.

 

[skoony]

I knew that you would be unable to understand Dead not sleeping's post. Like I said before, either you are wrong or thousands of vapers and e-liquid manufacturers have somehow been mass hypnotized.

and thousands more vapors and manufacturers know sales hype when they see it.
"made from the purest naturally made and grown FDA approved materials,expertly
mixed by our virgin vegan's in our hermetically sealed labs,steeped and aged in
our exclusive hobbit hole warehouse."

regards
mike