Steve/Mark/Leaford...who reveiws your flavors?

[Pugzley]

Me too! I absolutely LOVE the banana carts but the banana cream pie carts are just so-so. The blueberry ones are really good.

This is too funny, I love both the banana and the banana cream pie but don't care for blueberry. And I do like the Kant, it's my favorite of all the tobacco flavors I've tried, the French Pipe is very good, too. I liked Virginia as well. But since I got into the other flavors, I prefer them now.

I liked the tobacco ones well enough and they were worth the money but we change as we go I guess.

 

[Epheon]

Maybe I didnt state myself well enough................these carts taste VILE! Theres something wrong with them. Thats why this was a dissapointing order.

We arent talking about the subjectivity of taste here, these carts taste wrong.

Now if someone were to compare these to other carts of the same type and there wasnt any difference then maybe it could be due to taste subjectivity. But Ide still have to question weather or not the person who passed these blends had ever actually tasted pumkin pie befor, raw pumkin isnt the same flavor.

And thats the reason I want to send these back, because I think theres something wrong with them. In case Im wrong I dont want to swap these with someone and have them have the same experiance.

Ive lost count of the orders Ive made from V4L and I posted this because its the first bad order. Wait untill half of one of your orders tastes like theres something wrong with it and you might be a tad upset yourself.

J-

 

[antithesis]

but not to throw daggers in what you're trying to say, but i actually liked my cinn-bun freebie that came with my order. in fact i finished it off tonight and was kind of sad. did it taste like A cinnamon bun? not really... i tasted mostly cinnamon (which makes me want to get the red hots now) but it had a ... hmm. not sure how to describe it other than 'softness' to it that could've been the bun.

i know it's the 'subjective' word/idea that's being thrown around, but you think it's vile, and i have it in my top five flavs... so to *me*, there doesn't seem to be anything *wrong* with it.

otoh, i think there's something definitely off about blueberry. i ordered TONS of it (and this isn't even a mixed flavor, like 2 things as one cart) thinking i'd love it, as i like blueberry everything.. and i was displeased, hence handing them off to whoever wants. to me, there was definitely nothing 'blueberry' about this cart. to me, it was wrong.

i'm definitely NOT trying to argue with you, btw. i'm just giving my two cents is all. definitely no problem with posting your dislike about an order made. i think i've thrashed blueberry in several threads by now.

 

[Epheon]

Wasnt trashing the Cin Bun too much really, just didnt get any bun to it. Thought it could have been mixed up with the Red Hot one since it tasted more like that candy. The Cin Bun I got free is actually vapable.....I cant say that about the Pumpkin Pie and Cider carts.

Ive feel the same as you on Blueberry though. But the pack of those I bought I could still vape through them. I didnt think they tasted as well as they could have but they were unvapable. The P Pie and Cider are unvapable, to me atleast, and thats why I had to rant a bit. I mean I seriously cant suffer through them, they are that bad.......to me.

Ive never had a bad experience with V4L till now, unless you count the half fill carts that went around awhile ago, but they still tasted alright. Steve and the guys fixed that right away for everyone cuz they really are CS GAWDS. <-- Not an acronym, just 1337 5p34k. But because they care so much about CS, and always send some sort of freebie, I really dont want them to reinburse me. Ide feel guilty. Plus Ide rather they get on their supplier to fix this.

I really dont think its my personal tastes here but a problem with these carts.

J-

 

[Peeps]

I got curious and broke open the holiday sampler I got in my last order. You're right-the pumpkin pie and cider are horrible! In fact, I'm having a hard time getting that taste out of my mouth.

 

[leaford]

Epheon, for whatever it's worth, I personally taste tested and approved all the recent new flavors, including the cinnamon roll, spiced cider, and the pumpkin pie.

I definitely taste a baked goods flavor in the cinnamon roll, not just cinnamon. And it's very different from the cinnamon in the Red Hot Candy, which is based on cinnamon oil, not on cinnamon stick. You aren't the only one who tastes the cinnamon, and not the roll, though. But by the same token, plenty of people do taste the roll, and some taste the roll and not the cinnamon. So I am afraid that is just subjective perception.

The spiced cider may be too high in spices and not high enough in apple cider flavor, and that's certainly the most common evaluation of it. But that was actually what I was going for. That's how I always made mine, and how my Dad made it when I was a kid. Maybe I should have called it Mulled Cider instead. BUt that's a matter of expectation, not anything wrong with the flavor itself.

I do however think you have a point about the pumpkin pie, I was not totally happy with that, and feel like it's like a grocery store pumpkin pie, or frozen pumpkin pie, not the fresh baked flavor I wanted. Had I more time to get it out, I probably would have had that reworked. And since very few people have said they liked it, I have to accept responsibility for that. Mea Culpa.

But again, there is subjective perception at play, because I do taste the spices, and it doesn't taste like raw pumpkin to me. And most people's complaint about it is that all they taste is spice, and they don't taste pumpkin at all.

As Addrenalynn pointed out in the "Is flavor subjective" thread our actual tastebuds really only taste a few elements of the flavor. The rest comes from our nose, and even more from our neurological processing. And so ultimately tastes are always very very subjective, and very different from individual to individual.

 

[Taryn]

Most of the "non" tasting tobacco flavors taste and smell like perfume.

Disgusting if you ask me.

You sound either disgruntled or delusional if you ask me! I've only had one flavor I would classify as perfumy but others have raved about it and love it so I figure it's just my taste buds.

Why all the hating emberl, I thought the crew bent over backwards for you back when you had an issue before yet today I've read two posts here in the subforum that just seemed tossed in there to be negative.

 

[Epheon]

Epheon, for whatever it's worth, I personally taste tested and approved all the recent new flavors, including the cinnamon roll, spiced cider, and the pumpkin pie.

I definitely taste a baked goods flavor in the cinnamon roll, not just cinnamon. And it's very different from the cinnamon in the Red Hot Candy, which is based on cinnamon oil, not on cinnamon stick. You aren't the only one who tastes the cinnamon, and not the roll, though. But by the same token, plenty of people do taste the roll, and some taste the roll and not the cinnamon. So I am afraid that is just subjective perception.

The spiced cider may be too high in spices and not high enough in apple cider flavor, and that's certainly the most common evaluation of it. But that was actually what I was going for. That's how I always made mine, and how my Dad made it when I was a kid. Maybe I should have called it Mulled Cider instead. BUt that's a matter of expectation, not anything wrong with the flavor itself.

I do however think you have a point about the pumpkin pie, I was not totally happy with that, and feel like it's like a grocery store pumpkin pie, or frozen pumpkin pie, not the fresh baked flavor I wanted. Had I more time to get it out, I probably would have had that reworked. And since very few people have said they liked it, I have to accept responsibility for that. Mea Culpa.

But again, there is subjective perception at play, because I do taste the spices, and it doesn't taste like raw pumpkin to me. And most people's complaint about it is that all they taste is spice, and they don't taste pumpkin at all.

As Addrenalynn pointed out in the "Is flavor subjective" thread our actual tastebuds really only taste a few elements of the flavor. The rest comes from our nose, and even more from our neurological processing. And so ultimately tastes are always very very subjective, and very different from individual to individual.

Well I'll take your word on the Cin Bun carts. They arent bad but, to me atleast, taste like the candy. Will be interesting to try the cany ones and compare.

The Cider well you said you went for spices. Honestly I couldnt recognise anything in its flavor as being associated with Apple Cider. Sorry but its nothing like what I know as cider.

And the Pumkin Pie like a stated earlier is like raw fresh pumpkin with alot of rind. It almost tasted spoiled and thats why I started this thread. No idea how or where they get the flavorings for the e-juice but this one lit off alarm bells for me. I still think this is a bad batch.

Im not dropping you guys as a supplier or anything like that. But these carts were so bad in my opinion I had to let everyone know incase they are a bad bunch.

J-

 

[Taryn]

It could be a bad batch for all I know, no way I can tell from here. I don't think they can "spoil" but things can go wrong!

 

[cos]

emberl did you hear what Taryn said? and i agree. all you do is post negative things and trying to start trouble. i know your type. i dont care for your dam attitude at all. Your a constant complainer and V4L did bend over backwards to try to make you happy and that wasnt enough? Everyone else and the person who started this thread stated there business and they didnt knock V4L at all. They actually tried to help Steve and Mark. You on the other hand are 1 pain. and you never never have anything nice to say. wish i can put you on ignore cause you really piss me off. Others on this forum may not want to say anything to you cause they dont want to get into it with you but i dont care. I love reading things on this forum and i learn so much. That spin trick from taryn is still working great after all these months. Anyway ive said enough. and please emberl do not respond to this post cause i know you will say something negative. u have anything to say pm me. and if your a woman dont even pm me cause i will not argue or fight with a lady. and if your a man. well ill end this by saying a real man wont whine and complain like you do.
so ill say Happy Vaping even to you emberl. man even saying your name makes me ...... off.
To everyone else on this forum and the V4L crew i do apoligize for my post to all of you. i just cant take his nonsense and negativety anymore.
I will keep quiet from now on and keep a low profile. I know i was wrong and i truley apoligize to all of you. except emberl. I wish everyone the best and a great happy and healthy new year to each one of you and your family. and Emberl Happy New year to you and yours as well.

 

[cos]

Epheon please do not think i am including you in this. You did this perfectly professional and you said what you said with respect to V4L and the people on the forum. and even said your just tyring to help. so to you i say im not referring to you at all. The one im referring to has done this nonsense ever since coming to V4L. and it doesnt ever stop.
Happy Vaping Epheon. Just wanted you to understand what i meant. Take care

 

[VapingRulz]

emberl did you hear what Taryn said? and i agree. all you do is post negative things and trying to start trouble. i know your type. i dont care for your dam attitude at all.

Wow, that's harsh. It is entirely possible that emberl actually got a bad batch of carts. It has happened before; it's not unheard of.

Honestly, replies like this are why the forum people call V4L fans a "cult." A criticism of the product is exactly that; it's not a personal attack on anyone. This is a business and he is a customer with a complaint that may be valid. We can't tell from where we're sitting.

 

[cos]

hey Vaping ruiz yes i know what i sounded like and i did apoligize to the forum. But in my defense the other guy started the thread and emberl did what he always did, and that is constantly being negative and disgruntled. Maybe you havent heard him complain in the past. well i had enough. and like everyone else i gave my 2 cents. but maybe i shouldnt have said anything but i did. so does that make me a bad guy. and i didnt defend V4L all i said was that all he says is negative things and even though V4L took care of his (bad batch like you said) he still has rotton things to say.
anyway vapingruiz i figured i owed you an explanation as to why i said what i said. i apoligized but if i offended you in any way i am personally apoligizing to you as well. I am not a cult of V4L. i do buy somethings from them now and then cause they have what i need. but thats only a few things such as batteries and chargers. they are good people and have quality stuff i like. But i do buy my liquid elsewhere. actually there are 3 suppliers i deal with and i buy certain things from each of them cause they have what i want and its very good quality and they are great with customer service. But if anyone who buys from V4l has a problem they always take care of them and fix it. so how can anyone bad mouth them. anyway thats enough about this subject. So to you i apoligize. Now can we get back to the original op who started this thread and deal with his problems. and that was Epheon. and to Epheon sorry for interupting your post. Vaping ruiz hope we are cool. Next time i will realize to just keep things to myself.
i dont get in trouble that way. and i woke up in a great mood today as i always try to but started reading the forum and seen that post and then something just took over. I will just stay quiet from now on. i dont want others to think i am a bad person cause i dont think i am. just got ticked off for a moment. In the future if that person still decides to post what he posts i will just keep my thoughts to myself. Again and finally my apologies to all.

everyone have a great and pleasant day.

 

[Belletrist]

i gotta say the pumpkin pie & the spiced cider *were* the least pleasant of any V4L flavors i've tried... and i am a cider/pumpkin lover too, epheon. but they just don't seem to be popular so i'm guessing it's not a bad batch, just some flavs that didn't work out well. i *would* love to see them reworked one day tho... i think i might try ms. t's pumpkin cappuccino one.

 

[antithesis]

now i'm curious to try this cider and p.p... lol! just so i can know and give an opinion. i might. as to the blueberry, that one actually has become 'unvapable' to me. i can't do it. it makes me sick. but i don't think it's a defect thing, because i've found at least one other person who likes it! i'm happy, though, because i *have* found flavors i adore.

 

[Peeps]

now i'm curious to try this cider and p.p... lol! just so i can know and give an opinion. i might. as to the blueberry, that one actually has become 'unvapable' to me. i can't do it. it makes me sick. but i don't think it's a defect thing, because i've found at least one other person who likes it! i'm happy, though, because i *have* found flavors i adore.

I would be more than happy to send you a cart of each to taste...they're 0 mg but at least you can taste them

 

[Desertfremen]

I can't argue with the OP. These flavours definitely aren't my favourites either.

However, I don't think it's a problem with the carts or the juice. I, too, get a weird perfumy-ness from the Egg Nog, Spiced Cider, and Pumpkin Pie carts. However, now that I've gone back and retried these flavours and seen some more descriptions (I think) I'm understanding what's going on here now.

PP - After a few vapes, the perfumy-ness seems to subside and I now can taste the spices of pp but mixed with raw pumpkin. Vapable, but still not a fave.

SC - Actually, I kinda like this one, but it's still on the fence. It's just a little off on flavour. This cart did the same thing with regards to perfumy-ness. After a few initial vapes it disappears.
Ding! TY Leaford! Mulled Cider! yes, it makes total sense now! >.< I appreciate this flavour much more now.

EN - This one is my least favourite of all. The perfumy-ness again subsides after a few vapes but is still there mildy through the rest of it. This is the flavour I find to be the most inconsistent. Sniffing the cart you definitely get a sweet, creamy, en scent. When vaping I either get the creaminess or the spices but never both at the same time. I definitely know this is an issue with my taste buds.

Now the ACC and the Cran are Super Flavours for me! Mmmmmm. The cran is actually tart, I it! This was one of these surprise flavours, too, since I didn't really think I go for it.

I wasn't expecting to like all the flavours so this hasn't disappointed me one bit. I like just trying all the different flavours on principle anyways.

 

[antithesis]

peeps! that's awful nice of you. i'd be willing to trade a couple carts if you like some of the ones i have, too.

 

[Peeps]

peeps! that's awful nice of you. i'd be willing to trade a couple carts if you like some of the ones i have, too.

It's ok, antithesis...I'm just paying it forward. Is there any other flavor you'd like to try? I've gone overboard and have quite a few or will after placing my next order lol

 

[VapingRulz]

i apoligized but if i offended you in any way i am personally apoligizing to you as well.

There's no need. I never take anything that's posted as personal, and you have every right to post how you feel.

I think we're all a bit edgy by definition because we're not smoking.

No problem.