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Strange Story of Popcorn Lung

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  1. poohbah

    poohbah Happy Vaper ECF Veteran

    Sep 25, 2014
    Texas
    Central Texas man warns of lung issues likely posed by e-cigarettes

    "A Central Texas man issued an urgent warning Thursday after he said his vaping caused a serious lung condition."

    "Tommy Lowrance, a professor at Waco's McLennan Community College, developed a condition called "Popcorn Lung" after starting to vape for a short period of time in order to help quit cigarettes. Now, most likely as a result of the chemicals found in those e-cigarettes, he has to use an oxygen machine to function. And, his lungs are in worse condition than people who suffer from some of the most severe lung diseases."

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    This is very strange. After 40 years of smoking, I totally quit right after I started vaping nearly 4 years ago and I breathe far-better now than at anytime in my adult life and I'm 60 years old.

    I hope his condition improves. This is sad. It would be smart to investigate the liquid he was using to see if someone added something to it that they shouldn't have, if this is the cause. I know of zero cases of this by vaping alone and especially after a "short period of time".
     
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  2. Wraith504

    Wraith504 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 25, 2014
    New Orleans, LA
    Well not many details in that story.
     
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  3. motordude

    motordude Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 1, 2015
    VA, USA
    From the article:
    Lowrance has been treated by some of the best lung doctors in the world. And, although, they cannot say definitively that his condition came as a result of vaping -- simply because there is not enough information available yet about long-term effects -- they all agree it was most likely the cause.

    Could it be from many years of smoking?
    Blame something!!!

    One case does NOT lead to scientific evidence.
     
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  4. poohbah

    poohbah Happy Vaper ECF Veteran

    Sep 25, 2014
    Texas
    There's no way this could be due to his "short term" vaping.
     
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  5. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Could well be that e-Cigarette use caused Mr. Lowrance condition.

    And that is a Shame. But perhaps Quantifying how many people have also have been effected like Mr. Lowrance would put things in Better Perspective?

    Verses how many People have been Positively Impacted by Quitting Smoking by using an e-Cigarette?

    Just to use some numbers: If 1 in 100,000 people develop Pop Corn Lung because some combination of e-Cigarette/e-Liquid use and their Past/Current Health Risks, is this Worse than the 100,000 person population of Smokers?

    How about 10?
     
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  6. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    This seems unfortunate and I would like to know more details before even commenting one way or another.

    Anna
     
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  7. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  8. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    From what I've read popcorn lung is fairly rare and vaping is not the actual cause.
     
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  9. poohbah

    poohbah Happy Vaper ECF Veteran

    Sep 25, 2014
    Texas
    I'm going to follow this story as I live in McLennan County (Waco area) where he's a professor and I get the local news. I'll post any more recent updates as I get them.
     
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  10. SupplyDaddy

    SupplyDaddy I'm considered a Mad Scientist in some circles! Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Would it be too inconsiderate for me to post LMFAOWROTFF??

    Seriously....
     
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  11. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    It takes years to develop not a short time.....This is way too fishy to believe
     
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  12. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    I particularly like the in dept reporting in the article. Stating some of the best lung doctors without naming even one of them.

    "Lowrance has been treated by some of the best lung doctors in the world. And, although, they cannot say definitively that his condition came as a result of vaping -- simply because there is not enough information available yet about long-term effects -- they all agree it was most likely the cause."

    They provide a link to Mayo Clinic for COPD in the article that states:
    COPD - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
    "The main cause of COPD in developed countries is tobacco smoking. In the developing world, COPD often occurs in people exposed to fumes from burning fuel for cooking and heating in poorly ventilated homes.

    Only about 20 to 30 percent of chronic smokers may develop clinically apparent COPD, although many smokers with long smoking histories may develop reduced lung function. Some smokers develop less common lung conditions. They may be misdiagnosed as having COPD until a more thorough evaluation is performed."
     
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  13. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    West Frankfort, IL
    I did read in one article that vaping did not cause popcorn lung, but did aggravate it which led to man's diagnosis. He didn't know he was ill, just thought he was overtired and coming down with a bug. Can't provide link, have read several article from numerous sites.
     
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  14. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    Well this is from a provaping site so consider that when reading it.

    Will Vaping Cause Popcorn Lung? The Truth Revealed
    Wondering what is Popcorn Lung? This is a newly found disease, which is also called Bronchiolitis Obliterans. It reportedly causes coughing and wheezing, shortness of breath. In some extreme cases, the progress of popcorn lung symptoms may even require the patient getting a lung transplant. Researchers detected that the chemical components of 39 out of the 51 flavoring fluids used for vaping contained diacetyl– one of the causes of Popcorn Lung. So what does this mean for vapers?
     
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  15. Wraith504

    Wraith504 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 25, 2014
    New Orleans, LA
    We will find out in a few months after some trolling and digging that he was a foreman in orville redenbachers factory.
     
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  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    Dunno?

    But if Habitual Inhalation of Diacetyl is a known cause of Bronchiolitis Obliterans, vaper's who choose to use e-Liquids that are Flavored with Flavorings that contain Diacetyl would seem to be at some degree of Risk.

    Just as those who use Higher PPM of Diacetyl per day would be at a Higher Risk than those who use Lower PPM's per day.

    How Much Risk? That's kinda the 64,000 Dollar Question.

    Or adjusted for Todays Dollars and the US Legal System, the 6.4 Million Dollar Question.

    LOL
     
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  17. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    I think in the end Mike Petro may be correct in believing it may ultimately come down to temps used. I don't understand all of it, but enough that it seems a valid theory.
     
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  18. halfempty

    halfempty Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Miami, FL
    The amount of diacetyl in cigarette smoke is several hundred times more than is contained in ecig vapor. I find that story highly suspicious.
     
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  19. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    True best to avoid flavors containing diacetyl just to be cautious. But some of the studies out there say there are 750 times more diacetyl in cig smoke than vaped flavor.

    The guy did smoke.
     
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  20. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    That's a pretty All Encompassing statement.

    What Numerical Data are you basing this on?
     
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  21. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    So-Cal
    If an e-Liquid Contains No Diacetyl, then there is an almost Infinite more Diacetyl in cigarette smoke than in That e-Liquid/Vapor.
     
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