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Electronic Cigarettes Cause Damage to Lungs, Study Finds

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  1. Fishtec

    Fishtec Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 8, 2012
    England
    From what I have seen and heard the effects of ecigs on lung capacity are minimum at best I have seen plenty of post from here of long term smokers who have had significantly reduced lung function whereas swapping to ecigarettes has shown a dramatic ( no mention of full capacity but that could be because some damage is in fact irripairable ) this study appears to be very vague on it's sources and the controlling measures and precautions taken to achieve the results ecigs are are not like ciggaretes in a limitless amount of ways for example no two ejuice suppliers will sell exactly the same juice the variables for what juice alone are through the roof differant flavours pg vg concentrations nicotine concentrations or what brand of ecigarette was even used I find it highly unlikely that the product used for this study was selected in the same manner that actual vapers select there product go example I highly doubt that this product was a provari / lavatube ect with home made or on order made juice like I'm sure the majority of long term vapors will use ( that point was more about the juice not the device to deliver it ) I find it highly likely that the device used was a typical imitation cigarette style ecig which are made cheaply with cheap refills made for profit not performance I have seen studies conducted which state that the varies of nicotine in these devices are not consistent and I believe them and that is not including the dilutants used in these devices which is safe to assume are also as inconsistent this is a typical case of scare mongering with no real evidence to back up the claims being made
     
  2. Bill Godshall

    Bill Godshall Executive Director<br/> Smokefree Pennsylvania ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2009
    According to the ERS press release
    Experts warn that e-cigarettes can damage the lungs

    This explains how Gratziou got the ERS to accept her "Late Breaking Abstract" and to issue the press release promoting her and the ERS' opposition to e-cigarettes.

    And since Gratziou is Chair of the ERS Tobacco Control Committee, she very likely authored the ERS policy opposing e-cigarettes at
    www. ersnet .org/eu-affairs/item/4494-european-respiratory-society-statement-on-e-cigarettes-and-emerging-products-.html
    European Respiratory Society statement on E-cigarettes and emerging products
     
  3. TennDave

    TennDave Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 19, 2010
    Knoxville, TN
  4. Al Capwn

    Al Capwn Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 22, 2011
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    I'll use the same analogy I always use with stories like this....

    Not switching to vaping from smoking because you are worried about possible health effects is like choosing to carrying on swimming in shark infested waters rather than going to a swimming pool because you are worried the chlorine may damage your hair,
     
  5. Petrodus

    Petrodus Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2010
    Midwest
    The saving grace is even Ray Charles could clearly see
    vaping is a million times more safe than smoking
    :p
    This ain't the old days when our numbers were small
    and everyone seemed to ignore the truth. Today,
    our numbers (world-wide) must be in the millions !!
     
  6. freakindahouse

    freakindahouse Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 17, 2010
    Gloucester
  7. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
  8. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
  9. Hulamoon

    Hulamoon ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 6, 2012
    Waikiki Hawaii
    I'm a cynic, so to me it isn't strange at all - they're dancing jigs and hopping from one foot to another in order to not shoot themselves in both feet and their backsides all at the same time. There's huge pharma profit in "owning" nicotine. They want to "patent" it. After all, it does wonders for Parkinson's and Alzheimers patients - but even MORE importantly, Phizer's (or whoever's) bottom line. "Nicotine" is a miracle "drug" and can be horribly abused unless you have Nanny Phizer delivering it. (drug of course being the operative word) Therefore nicotine is highly beneficial but must be carefully dosaged and messed about with by Nanny. Of course Phizer will do all sorts of things and hire all sorts of experts to ensure its "quality" and that's why you will need to pay them $500 a puff, which is still a great bargain you bloody ingrates, says them. Sigh, I used to enjoy the old days when things were so obfuscated that it was at least a bit of a challenge to figure out what those cunning whores were up to. Now they don't even bother to mask their immorality.


    From this it would appear that e-cigarettes are only safe for those with COPD and asthma to use. Isn't that strange?
     
  10. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    If Big Pharma could "own" nicotine as a "drug" they most certainly would LOVE that.

    Things are going to be heating up in the nicotine world, as there are many angles yet to be played out...
    --Big Tobacco is now producing products similar to Big Pharma NRT products
    --Big Tobacco is now getting into electronic cigarettes
    --Intellicig is now attempting to bring electronic cigarettes into the Big Pharma market as an approved NRT

    I think that's the part that bothers me the most in all of these things.

    These people don't even feel like they need to tell the truth anymore, because they know they can lie.
    And the media will eat it up, and the public will eat up what the media tells them to eat up.

    It might just be that the media is the real problem.
     
  11. Vapor Fiend

    Vapor Fiend Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 14, 2009
    Cali4nia
    Anything like this stuff that you see is all fake and the numbers are massaged. It's the same thing as trying to get people to pay for "global warming" carbon taxes when the money is being used for something else. Only the end goal here is to take electronic cigarettes off the market so that Big Tobacco can keep it's monopoly on the market.

    Everything any anti-e-cig companies, scientist or organizations do is solely for the purpose of slandering the name of electronic cigarettes in order to protect a strangle hold on the market by Phillip Morris and other big tobacco companies. All of which, I might add are actually behind all other smoking cessation aids. So what you do is set up quick studies that don't do accurate tests and massage the numbers a little to make it seem as though these products are bad.

    The American Lung Association and the Environmental Protection Agency did the same thing in the late 80's and early 90's, trying to say that some studies they did showed proof of links between second hand smoke and lung cancer. Too bad the Supreme Court land-basted the study finding that nearly all the data was manufactured.

    Do not pay attention to any of these studies that are conducted by large corporation funded groups. If you follow the money, it will lead back to Big Tobacco, The AHA, The ALA, and Big Pharma because they are all in bed with each other.

    It's simple:

    Big Tobacco has a product that is bad for people. These people sometimes get cancer.

    Those people who are sick then need to go to the American Lung Association or the American Heart Association.

    They then need to get some drugs because they're sick. Big Pharma steps in.

    AHA, ALA, Big Pharma all keep quiet because Phillip Morris and other Big Tobacco companies keep sending them paying customers.

    See the reasoning behind all of this stuff?
     
  12. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
  13. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    @Vapor Fiend:

    Haven't you noticed that slogans like "smoke-free zone" have morphed into "tobacco-free zone"? At one time, it was only smoking that was the enemy. But little by little the so-called public health community has been demonizing all tobacco and all nicotine use. They are FAR from in-bed with tobacco companies.

    All government-run web sites that that mention tobacco, put 100% of tobacco products into the same basket (or should I say "trash can.")

    "There is no safe tobacco product."
    "All tobacco products cause cancer."
     
  14. inter_ceptor00

    inter_ceptor00 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 27, 2011
    Minor Details
    I was thinking about the original article the OP mentioned and wondered " wouldn't inhaling anything vaporlike cause lung restriction immediately following its use? Like a nebulizer or at a concert that has fog machines or your ashtma inhaler for that matter. The real problem is why is there so little positive media coverage of our E-cig use? I think we as a community are on the cusp of becoming large enough that focus will soon intesify on the culture as a whole. The sort of "backyard" and "homebrewed" business' selling simple products for decent profits and without any authoratative oversight is suddenly and quickly getting rather large and profitable but profitable to the wrong people(By BB and Govt. ideas). We should move faster at adopting standards and practices for all the things that we produce and sell so that we might have a chance to remain as we are and not fall victim to bad legislation or shady business practices and dealings. There are beginnings with people requesting certain things from vendors to help improve customer awareness. And the suggested changes to tube mods made by ECF. Anything to use in our defense as a safe and legitimate consumer base now, will only benefit us later as things really begin to get exciting.

    And now for something completely different.
     
  15. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

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    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    The answer to your question is "Yes". And the most interesting thing is that the research showing this was conducted at the very same university where Ellen Hahn is doing such a good job of truth-bending about tobacco harm reduction -- but obviously this research was done in a different department of the University:

    www. ncbi.nlm.nih .gov/pubmed/22505744
    Bronchoconstriction triggered by b...
    Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2012 - PubMed - NCBI
     
  16. pianoguy

    pianoguy Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Nov 4, 2009
    Apple Valley, MN
    My uneducated guess would be that the COPD and asthma sufferers had already developed a tolerance to PG or similar substances present in inhalers.
     
  17. JENerationX

    JENerationX Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 25, 2011
    Rochester, NY
    Interesting thought. I was on a nebulizer for almost a year 2X a day... maybe 10-15 minutes or so each time. I would actually find it harder to breathe at first from inhaling the albuterol suspended in the PG liquid. By the time I finished it had gotten easier to inhale, and maybe 10 minutes later my lungs were clearer and the wheezing from the asthma was gone or nearly non-existent.

    Since vaping, I have not had to be on a nebulizer and have come off of the preventative inhalers as well. I do have a rescue inhaler, but have used that twice in the past six months and I had strep and a horrible cold at the time. I no longer carry it on a daily basis. I did find that inhaling the vapor took a little getting used to. I ended up using 50/50 or even 60 VG 40 PG juices to reduce TH which seems to bother me. A significant amount of TH can trigger bronchial spasms. My doctor is fine with my vaping, completely unconcerned with low levels of nic and PG/VG. He said the only thing to be concerned about is long term inhalation of flavoring, but that is by far less of a concern that cigarettes would be, so vape on.
     
  18. PoliticallyIncorrect

    PoliticallyIncorrect Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2010
    SoCal
    That's pretty much the long and short of it.

    Whenever I'm exasperated at the ignorance of an ANTZ—they smug of smile, vacant of cranial case—I'm confronted with guilt when I explain the simplicity of it: PG, VG, or a combination thereof; nicotine; flavoring.

    "Flavoring" is the umbrella term I gloss over, because I don't always know the chemicals involved when I fill my lungs with them. Safe in the long term, in an absolute sense? I don't know.

    Probably not.

    What appears absolutely safe—even in the absence of decades of clinical trials—is that jumping off a curb is orders of magnitude less suicidal than leaping off a 30-story building
     
  19. jlew

    jlew Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2012
    WV, USA
    Very well written and informational thread :)

    Thank you to all...

    I know my asthma was never bad enough to warrant a nebulizer but I did have to have an
    albuterol inhaler at one time many years ago.

    Now, even in the month I have been using a PV, I have not had near the lung issues I used to
    and can sleep at night and breathe in the day with ease.

    I am with everyone who continues to help keep PV's and e-cigs within our reach... thank you :)

    Wish they had these years ago.
     
  20. malindo

    malindo Moved On

    Dec 13, 2012
    malindo
    just thinking out loud

    what if... the big pharma companies inject some 'stuff' into the nicotine and sell it to some leading ejuice companies. which will cause something so horrific that it will cause ban on e cig everywhere in the world
     
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