Our parents, and most of their generation, said the same thing back in the 60's and 70's about certain things some of us may, or may not, have done.
Strawbery-Banana warning/question
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Our parents, and most of their generation, said the same thing back in the 60's and 70's about certain things some of us may, or may not, have done.
Talking of which (not saying I do, or used to do) but I was looking for wisdom on a video game discussion recently and there was a poster with a hilarious tag line.
"I used to smoke pot. I still do, but I used to, too."
PG being in the ingredients.. (which makes it even more sketchy to me) it's just sweet almond ol
The vast majority of my flavorings come from Lorann because I have a Canadian bakery supplier that sells it at good prices and has quick and reasonably priced shipping costs. Plus, they are not associated with vaping so if vaping ever goes down the tubes up here I will not have to scramble to find new suppliers
Whenever I try a new flavoring I always check to see if it is water soluble and/or if it has any oils in it. The label in your pic above @SonnyCrack lists almond oil and triglicerides (as far as I know that is oil). I would not use that as a main flavoring because of this reason.
Having said that, I have been using lemon oil for the last 8 years in most of my juices at a concentration of 0.25%, or 8 drops per 100ml and it has not bothered me that I know of. It seems to me that our lungs can handle a small amount of oil for a long time with no negative repercussions.
The thing is I know how much I'm putting in my juices, but the Lorann label does not give the amount in their mix which is why I wouldn't use it at more than a very small amount. I also noticed when looking for information on its contents that it's listed as not water soluble, which also means it's oil based.
I wouldn't worry about having unknowingly vaped the stuff if I did not have any symptoms from it. As far as I know if you inhale too much oil you'll know about it pretty quickly.
The vast majority of my flavorings come from Lorann because I have a Canadian bakery supplier that sells it at good prices and has quick and reasonably priced shipping costs. Plus, they are not associated with vaping so if vaping ever goes down the tubes up here I will not have to scramble to find new suppliers
Whenever I try a new flavoring I always check to see if it is water soluble and/or if it has any oils in it. The label in your pic above @SonnyCrack lists almond oil and triglicerides (as far as I know that is oil). I would not use that as a main flavoring because of this reason.
Having said that, I have been using lemon oil for the last 8 years in most of my juices at a concentration of 0.25%, or 8 drops per 100ml and it has not bothered me that I know of. It seems to me that our lungs can handle a small amount of oil for a long time with no negative repercussions.
The thing is I know how much I'm putting in my juices, but the Lorann label does not give the amount in their mix which is why I wouldn't use it at more than a very small amount. I also noticed when looking for information on its contents that it's listed as not water soluble, which also means it's oil based.
I wouldn't worry about having unknowingly vaped the stuff if I did not have any symptoms from it. As far as I know if you inhale too much oil you'll know about it pretty quickly.
Thanks for the reply. I guess the issue I'm having is WHY would a vape supplier even sell it especially when the recommended % is up to 15%? 15% would be an insane amount of almond oil to vape I'd think but who knows.. I'm not really blaming Heartland - I've been vaping Strawberry Banana vape juice which I know for a fact contained this (unless the flavorwest one tastes identicle) for a long time so there are companies selling this stuff to consumers... I've even ordered it with double flavoring so who knows.... I'm just venting I'd guess because part of me wants to ditch it and the other part is saying well - you haven't had any problems so far so why stop..
There are many excellent banana and strawberry flavors to choose from that are water soluble.
FA Banana and FA Strawberry (Red Touch) are very tasty together. Both are realistic tasting fruits, not candy flavors.
FA Banana, VTA Banana Custard and FA Strawberry (Red Touch) are excellent together (even better in a creamy cake base). Or FA Juicy Strawberry for a sweeter but still realistic ripe strawberry.
FA Strawberry (Red Touch) and FA Juicy Strawberry together make for a very realistic strawberry profile.
FA Banana is like a ripe yellow banana (not brown, not green). The banana in VTA Banana Custard tastes slightly green but is a ripe banana. Combined they make for a very realistic banana profile.
There are many options.
FA Banana and FA Strawberry (Red Touch) are very tasty together. Both are realistic tasting fruits, not candy flavors.
FA Banana, VTA Banana Custard and FA Strawberry (Red Touch) are excellent together (even better in a creamy cake base). Or FA Juicy Strawberry for a sweeter but still realistic ripe strawberry.
FA Strawberry (Red Touch) and FA Juicy Strawberry together make for a very realistic strawberry profile.
FA Banana is like a ripe yellow banana (not brown, not green). The banana in VTA Banana Custard tastes slightly green but is a ripe banana. Combined they make for a very realistic banana profile.
There are many options.
Yeah - I have a bunch of different strawberries and bananas... It's not the same as this Lorann's flavor which I guess makes sense.. It's almost synthetic but it's what I'm used to and have been vaping liters and liters of now.. I would have never even known had I not ordered the flavoring for DIY because I was worried about not being able to buy juice anymore... It's not worth the risk - it clearly isn't good for vaping - it has CALORIES in it from fat.. I'll come up with a good recipe I'm sure that'll be even better.
First of all, vaping oil is a very bad idea,wwhich is a reason that oils in any form are banned for vaping in Germany.
Advertising it as "no problem, the concentration is low enough" is just stupid and irresponsible.
Second, the use of bakery flavors has it's drawbacks as well. If they contain sucralose for example, which by the way is again banned for vaping flavors in Germany for good reason, you should stay away, because it decomposes into carcinogenic substances when heated and inhaled.
There are many more components in bakery flavors that can cause issues though.
Advertising it as "no problem, the concentration is low enough" is just stupid and irresponsible.
Second, the use of bakery flavors has it's drawbacks as well. If they contain sucralose for example, which by the way is again banned for vaping flavors in Germany for good reason, you should stay away, because it decomposes into carcinogenic substances when heated and inhaled.
There are many more components in bakery flavors that can cause issues though.
Germany seems to be ahead of the curve.. Sucralose is in EVERYTHING over here. It will be a stroke of irony to find out the safest eliquids are tobaccos and methol when all the research is released. Thanks so much for your post!
I just thought of something - how does Germany address THC vapes? The reason I ask is by definition its vaping oil... If that's the case, which is safer between combusting canibus or vaping THC oil? (or are these two totally different analogies)?
My wife takes CBD oil for various ailments. I checked out vaping it at one time. A different version is sold for vaping, with dire warnings about not vaping the regular version. The absorption rate is a lot higher for vaping than it is for ingestion so it looked like a good idea because that stuff is expensive. She tried vaping it but it wasn't a pleasant vape so that didn't work out.
At the time I tried to figure it all out. Is the actual CBD OK but it comes in different carriers? Would that be true for THC as well? Beyond that are all oils bad, are there some that aren't bad at all, some that are mildly bad? I never was able to get answers to those questions.
I have one TFA flavor (Caramel Original) that comes with a warning that it contains small quantities of corn syrup. Really small amount, 0.004%. And it's a very strong flavor that I use at 1% which would take it down to 0.00004% in the final juice. Is that OK? I have no idea. I vape it because it's one of my favorites. I suspect we take chances with every flavor we vape. Nobody actually knows what the long term effects of flavors is. Over the years I've gone from recipes with 20%+ flavoring down to around 5%. I guess if there was anything really bad about vaping flavors it would have shown up by now, like what happened with EVALI, so maybe any bad effects are at the low end of the scale.
You make a very important point.. As far as we're still in the testing phase of this (on ourselves) - we always have to be ready to accept the science even if it goes against our view on this being safe.. The craziest thing is ever since I got into DIY last month - and really learning about the chemicals and how this stuff is made I've been thinking about quitting all together which SHOULD have been the ultimate goal going into this 10 years ago.. It wasn't my goal initially and never really since because I enjoy it but I don't know if I want to be left holding the bag if this experiment takes an unfortunate turn in another 10 years or so.. Even with cigarettes - cancer didn't show up until about 20 years into their own experiment. Whenever I step back and look at vaping from a non-smoker/non-vaper standpoint - it looks unhealthy and just bad on the face of it.. We wouldn't suggest inhaling any other chemicals day in and day out is benign.. I think we get caught up in the well, it's safer than cigarettes, true, but so is everything.. Will I quit? Who knows - atleast I'm starting to have the conversation with myself. Sorry for the rant.
In the meantime, you can always try to go flavorless. I tried it before but it makes me gag because i don't like the sweetness of VG without any flavor. I don't know if all VG is sweet. Mine is from Heartland. Also, I can taste the nic without using flavor and I don't care for that either.
But I'm in a different situation as I never really got into vaping to save my life or because I thought it was safer than smoking. I got into it to stop myself and my living spaces to smelling like an ashtray and get rid of smoker's cough/laugh and because I knew it could save me tons of cash if done right. Will vaping kill me? Yeah, I have no doubts about it. But so will time, driving, eating, living, etc.
Sure, it does concern me a little, but not as much as others here.
Anyhow, I can understand the concern you have so it sounds to me that giving flavorless a really good chance (many chances of need be) would be a good idea if quitting isn't possible for you ATM.
Thanks so much for your post. I'm not particularly concerned with flavors - it's just starting to feel like a monkey on my back - I gave up drinking 5 years ago (had a really nasty habit) but since 1993, I've never went a day without nicotine, even with colds and flus.. I think I'm more concerned with going w/o it but from what I've read giving up vaping is way less harsh then giving up smoking.. I suppose it'd be less painful in a gradual reduction from 18mg to 0 nic - I think my favorite thing in vaping is the throat hit - that's what I'd miss more than flavor or anything, vaping air never really interested me and that's why I've always been a MTL vapor even though I'm using .2 coils.. Who knows - maybe I just need to change things up for a bit and see how it goes, I don't like being addicted to anything outside of things that keep me alive.
Oh, but you are concerned with flavors. This thread is all about your concern over flavor safety. lol
But if vaping (in general) is too much of a "monkey on your back" and you stress-out about it, then it's not worth it, man. Stress will kill you, too (or so they say). Look into quitting ASAP (of course, that causes stress, too
).PS: I live really close to a busy highway. I have a hunch that my vape is less dangerous than the air I'm breathing from the fumes and dust those cars put into my air. Though, I don't know that for sure.
In Germany THC is illegal, although you can get an exemption for severe illnesses like terminal cancer for example.
Long story short, I don't know anything about vaping THC and neither do I care.
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