Study says e-cigarettes contain carcinogens similar to regular cigarettes
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I seen this story (Thanks for posting), and keep clicking each link that refers to the report which ultimately leads me to a report in French. I haven't been able to find who the three manufacturers were, and the report doesn't put weight on that the others were found to be safe. Also, the report doesn't mention the Drexel University report (Released earlier this month) that contradicts this newer story that is less specific. Bottom line: They (Pharmaceutical Companies and Big tobacco) are running scared, and in an effort to control or contain, are manufacturing stories that are not easy to find substance.
Isn't that the way all "news" seems to be this day and age.
Manufacturied stories that are not easy to find substance (or no actual fact checking) ...
"This is the BTN. Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the government's job." ~V is for Vendetta
Found this on the consumerist today as well... Seems like the smear campaign is in full swing..
http://consumerist.com/2013/08/28/study-some-e-cigarettes-contain-carcinogens-similar-to-those-found-in-regular-smokes/
http://consumerist.com/2013/08/28/study-some-e-cigarettes-contain-carcinogens-similar-to-those-found-in-regular-smokes/
It's all they got. They can't link or present the study because it will get decimated in the face of real science. I read the article from the french news source. The study results were "relayed to authorities". LOL.
The whole "nic content in eliquid is high enough to be fatal to children" thing grates my nerves too. My house is full of things that can be fatal if ingested and I have 4 kids. Plenty of which probably taste a heck of a lot better than nic juice. It's MY job as a PARENT to protect my kids from doing something stupid. Not anybody else's.
The whole "nic content in eliquid is high enough to be fatal to children" thing grates my nerves too. My house is full of things that can be fatal if ingested and I have 4 kids. Plenty of which probably taste a heck of a lot better than nic juice. It's MY job as a PARENT to protect my kids from doing something stupid. Not anybody else's.
In case you are wondering how they managed to produce those chemicals, I ran a page through Google translate where the researchers answer a few questions.
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I have never observed a vaper taking a 3-second puff every 30 seconds -- even when they were tanked to the gills.
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I have never observed a vaper taking a 3-second puff every 30 seconds -- even when they were tanked to the gills.
I think this article and the tsunami of press jumping on this fear wagon needs to be reported as bad journalism. Foremost its best to be both on the side of majority "and" reason and it appears the only way to do that is provide consistent pressure on the media to provide the complete facts, and when an article such as this makes complete contrast to analogs all of the numbers should be up front. Why not make us a graph or even a series of graphs of comparisons of chemical contents between the two?
Yeah, this article is really getting hammered. I have yet to read a comment that isn't against this article.
Problem is this article only adds to the anti-ecig hysteria.
I received a few emails from 'well meaning' family !
UGH
I received a few emails from 'well meaning' family !
UGH
Well meaning family usually means anything they get in a spam e-mail that sounds interesting enough to repeat is FACT in my own experience. Clouds solidify and shatter on the streets of an alaskan town. Is it time to repent your sins before the rapture?
CASAA published this commentary on Wednesday for exactly that purpose - feel free to share from this link:
CASAA: French e-cigarette study, media misrepresent facts
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French e-cigarette study, media misrepresent facts
An article published Monday in The Daily Mail announced "E-cigarettes are as harmful as cigarettes and could cause cancer, claims study." The article stated that a French consumer magazine, 60 Millions Consommateurs (60 Million Consumers), had branded the devices as 'far from the harmless gadgets they're sold as by manufacturers'. Soon, news outlets from all over the world were reporting that "E-cigarettes may be carcinogenic" and "E-cigarettes as harmful as cigarettes."
According to the 60 Millions Consommateurs, which is published by the National Consumers' Institute (a government-funded organization somewhat similar to Consumer Reports in the U.S.), their researchers tested 10 e-cigarettes. This "report" comes after the French government announced in May this year its intent to ban electronic cigarette use in public places, which has outraged French e-cigarette consumers and sellers.
After the news broke, Clive Bates, former head of ASH-UK and a tobacco harm reduction advocate, announced on his blog that he had issued a complaint about the Daily Mail article to the Press Complaints Commission .
"There are many flaws in the Mail article, mostly shoddy health journalism and lack of balance or proportion, and life is too short to go into them all," Bates wrote in a post titled "Lazy, stupid, wrong – the Mail can’t stop itself."
The web version of the article has since been re-titled "E-cigarettes contain chemicals that make some 'as harmful as normal tobacco'."
On Tuesday, the magazine posted another article with a few more details about its test results, which allowed experts to partially evaluate the findings.
MSN.com reported an interview with Drexel University Professor Igor Burstyn, who told them he is skeptical of the study. The article was titled "Rumor: E-cigarettes are as harmful as the real things," and it concluded that the rumor was "unconfirmed" and that "the bulk of research says they're much safer."
According to the MSN article:
Dr. Burstyn recently published the largest, most comprehensive assessment of research on E-cigarette safety released thus far. (Peering through the mist: What does the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tell us about health risks?) That meant looking at dozens of studies done all over the world involving more than 9,000 subjects. His conclusion: “Current data do not indicate that exposures to vapors from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern.” A conclusion supported by other health researchers in Palgrave Macmillan, a journal of public health policy.
After reviewing all available information, the Scientific Director for The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives, Dr. Carl V Phillips, surmised that "it is almost certain that they used faulty methods, overheating in particular, because that is what produces high levels of acrolein. In previous studies, high levels of formaldehyde have been identified as lab errors, not output from the e-cigarettes. As for the metals, Burstyn has already explained that without knowing what molecular form they were in, the information is useless."
"This is why real scientific publications include a methods section," he continued. "We basically have no idea what they did, though it is pretty clear their methods were faulty to the point of this being almost completely junk. The 'almost' refers to the fact that perhaps high levels of acetaldehyde are created by certain flavorings. But, again, since we have no idea what they tested or how, we can make no sense of what was reported."
Dr. Phillips concluded, "this is more of a marketing con than a scientific study."
"The same chemicals were tested in 12 brands of e-cigarettes in a study by Goniewicz and coworkers that was published earlier this year," added Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos, a researcher at Onassis Cardiac Surgery Center in Athens-Greece, in a commentary on Ecigarette-Research.com. "So, nothing new was tested in the French study. More importantly, the results of the French study are almost identical to those of Goniewicz."
"I cannot explain why worldwide media refer to this study as if it is the most important discovery about e-cigarettes," he wrote.
In the MSN article, Burstyn said his professional research has even informed his personal life, as he told them that he's worked hard to convince his wife to quit traditional cigarettes in favor of the newer e-versions. "Smoking a regular cigarette is like running on the highway in flip-flops," he said. "E-cigs is taking a taxi."
IMO, this method would most likely cause terrible wicking issues rather quick. I would bet the filler inside had been burnt up significantly by the end of the analysis.
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