Study: Some E-Cigs Put Out Tobacco-Like Levels of Carcinogens

[v1k1ng1001]

This is actually worthwhile research because the focus should not be on the ingredients but on the vapor. I'll have to read up once it's published.

 

[xCJack]

This is actually worthwhile research.

I agree. Also, there is a reason why you get burnt taste at too high of voltages in a tank, it's because e juice is most likely being burned. This should trigger the common sense mechanism and tell one to turn down the voltage!

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I typically avoid comments sections on things like this. They're toxic. I see where you're coming from, but I think it's foolish to just dismiss something because you don't like it. I did say, IF THE FACTS SHOW TRUE. I'm not saying I like it, support it and I damn sure didn't write it. I thought that it's worth keeping an eye on. Again, I think it does people a disservice to avoid and ignore anything that may be negative about something we enjoy.

Did i say i dismissed anything or suggest we should ignore the study?

I just asked you to break the link until the study is released and the community properly can interpret the results.

Until i see the actual study i'll treat the article and its author like any other piece of junk science.

Now please break the link, being broken does not stop anyone from reading it, it just stops ECF from helping propagate it through search engines.

 

[xCJack]

Did i say i dismissed anything or suggest we should ignore the study?

I just asked you to break the link until the study is released and the community properly can interpret the results.

Until i see the actual study i'll treat the article and its author like any other piece of junk science.

Now please break the link, being broken does not stop anyone from reading it, it just stops ECF from helping propagate it through search engines.

I don't see a reason for the link to be broken, since no one knows if the study is bogus or not.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I don't see a reason for the link to be broken, since no one knows if the study is bogus or not.

That's the exact reason RIGHT THERE.

Do you honestly think that when the study is released that it won't be studied, in depth, on ECF and numerous threads will appear about it to spread the new information, if any?

As of right now we have nothing but scraps thrown to us by a 'journalist' who could have any number of motivations, good or bad.

Do you even understand why ECF recommends breaking links to 'junk' articles?

I really wanna post about a thousand face-palm gifs in this thread, i feel it would be appropriate based on the reaction to me asking for something that is basically standard around here.

 

[beckdg]

Break that friggin link while i go to the bathroom to puke from reading the comments.

Whether the information is correct or not (we'll have to ACTUALLY see the study) the author shows an overall lack of credibility and journalistic integrity by his combative, insulting replies.

good call. we should probably revisit the forum rules otherwise.

b. Posting live links [1] to propaganda against e-cigarettes, low-quality unresearched or slanted press articles, or materials containing deliberate attacks on e-cigarettes unsupportable by independent evidence, is not allowed. Links should be broken by placing spaces in the domain part of the URL, or any other method that prevents browsers or search engines seeing a link [2].
c. Links to propaganda are allowed when the link is to a government or similar official resource AND the link is approved by ECF Officials.

Source: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

the papers are not published, thus the evidence is not yet supported. this is slanted propaganda from a source (New York Times) that has a history of such.

if the time comes when the reports are published and the papers hold weight, that's another thing altogether. for now, BREAK THOSE LINKS and we can discuss the propaganda machine and the panic already ensuing.

 

[jrs99]

NY Times...Liberal trash rag.
Think i'ma go take a vape, drink a 32oz soda and go shooting with some 30rd high capacity baby killer assault clips.
FNYT
FBHO

 

[classwife]

good rule of thumb (and fingers)...

If in doubt - throw it out

 

[Johnny Phatsaqs]

Fine, I'll just delete the OT and ask an admin to lock the thread. My apologies for making an attempt to share with the "community."

 

[HoseGarden]

Fine, I'll just delete the OT and ask an admin to lock the thread. My apologies for making an attempt to share with the "community."

what the ...?

 

[beckdg]

Fine, I'll just delete the OT and ask an admin to lock the thread. My apologies for making an attempt to share with the "community."

that was not the purpose. discussion is good. links to junk that give the opposition wind under their wings is not.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Fine, I'll just delete the OT and ask an admin to lock the thread. My apologies for making an attempt to share with the "community."

You're new(er) so im gonna state this nicely.

You can imply all you want that you're somehow being attacked for posting this information, when IN FACT all you've been asked to do is break the link.

It takes about 10 seconds, you add a few spaces to the URL in random spots and its broken. People can still easily access the information by pasting the address in the URL bar and removing the spaces.

NO ONE is trying to suppress your right to share, or attacking you for posting it, we're just trying to get you to follow proper protocol for articles like this.

ECF has a major presence in search engines and having a direct link to articles like this can actually cause ECF to drive traffic towards sites that COULD (not saying ARE) be spreading blatant misinformation.

The study is not published yet, so basically EVERYTHING in the article could be inaccurate, or completely accurate (we dont know yet) but until then there's no reason you can't add a few spaces to keep it from being picked up by the bots.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US wants accurate information, so lets wait for just that, accurate information (or at the very least the study itself) then we can go from there.

*EDIT* Read this and maybe it will help to understand why ECF does this.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/272086-please-read-breaking-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

 

[PennyLynn]

Comment seen at Gothamist on this story:


What they don't mention, is that the pharmaceutical company Pfizer, that funds Ms. Goniewicz research is the manufacture of the quit smoking drug Chantix, as well as Nicotrol, the prescription vaporizer, interesting indeed.

Footnotes:
Competing interests:
Maciej L. Goniewicz received research funding from Pfizer, a
manufacturer of stop smoking medication. Peter Hajek provided
consultancy for and/or received research funding from manufacturers of
stop smoking medications including Pfizer, GSK, Johnson and Johnson,
Novartis and others.

 

[Jasen]

I don't know how formaldehyde is made, but one of two things need to happen to have formaldehyde in your cloud.

1. Formaldehyde is one of the ingredients in the juice
or
2. The separate chemicals needed to produce formaldehyde are in the juice and heating the chemicals to 600Deg +/- is what it takes to combine them into formaldehyde.

This is not to say that the test juice wasn't bought from some unscrupulous vendor that doesn't care if they are selling poison, or if the testers made their own juice with the wrong ingredients, accidentally or otherwise.

But hey, if the FDA say's big tobacco and the food industry can put formaldehyde in their products, why can't vapers? not that anyone want's that.

 

[jrs99]

I tried reading the comments but they're just making my blood pressure raise.
I just can't feel sorry for New Yorkers or Californians as they voted for this kind of stuff. Just wish they'd keep their nanny state socialist drivel confined within their own borders.
That article...the stupid...it hurts...

 

[classwife]

Fine, I'll just delete the OT and ask an admin to lock the thread. My apologies for making an attempt to share with the "community."

No need to delete

Reasoning for breaking links - not to give them the google power that ECF carries

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

It the source is doubtful, it's best to not give them a live link

All reading and info is good for the community !

 

[beckdg]

Comment seen at Gothamist on this story:


What they don't mention, is that the pharmaceutical company Pfizer, that funds Ms. Goniewicz research is the manufacture of the quit smoking drug Chantix, as well as Nicotrol, the prescription vaporizer, interesting indeed.

Footnotes:
Competing interests:
Maciej L. Goniewicz received research funding from Pfizer, a
manufacturer of stop smoking medication. Peter Hajek provided
consultancy for and/or received research funding from manufacturers of
stop smoking medications including Pfizer, GSK, Johnson and Johnson,
Novartis and others.

sweet sleuthing, PennyLynn. thanks.

 

[Bunnykiller]

kind of interesting tho... I use a dripper on occasion ( the one that looks like a blu cartridge ) and when Im not paying attention and get the dry hit... it is pretty harsh... just maybe that harshness is the formaldehyde that they are finding... luckily its almost the same as a ciggie

 

[Dominique Hoogduin]

with the many juices out there.. any research on the matter will take years. Unless they tested this with a pure PG or VG flavourless base with nicotine (ranging from 0 pg / 100 VG to 100 pg / 0 VG and nic from 0 to 36.. just to be accurate and all that).

And as for stuff getting too hot.. would that still be vapable.. would vapers vape it at those conditions or is it a condition where one would reach for the voltage down button since the juice must be burning up by then?

Saddest thing this arcticle is roaming freely on the internetz now (saw it popup in a gizmodo newsfeed before i read about it here).. And once more we will hear from the non vapers and smokers : "vaping is just as dangerous as smoking man.. it gives u cancer".

 

[old_geezer]

http://gothamist.com/2014/05/04/studies_e-cig_vapor_contains_formal.php

This appears to be an excerpt from the unpublished studies that OP posted. The excerpt below is apparently from "one of the studies"

But with dripping, the e-liquid heats with such intensity that formaldehyde and related toxins “approach the concentration in cigarettes,” said Dr. Alan Shihadeh, a project director at the Virginia Commonwealth University’s Center for the Study of Tobacco Products and an associate professor of mechanical engineering at American University in Beirut, who led the research.

Notice how the except says "but with dripping" which to me implies that the author of the study is saying "Tank systems don't do this, but dripping does."

That study is done in VIRGINIA, Center for the Study of Tobacco Products. That is like the birthspot of Big Tobacco, and probably a study funded by Big Tobacco money. Just ignore it, or dig down into it and follow the money. It's not a good scientific study.

- Joe