Sub ohm
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if you want subohm ( less than 1 ohm) you have to go the mech manner... VV/VW mods are designed not to do subohm due to the protection built into the circuitry
You build a sub ohm coil on an RBA or RDA, that then attaches to an APV or Mod. If you build sub ohm (less than 1 ohm) you will NOT be able to use it on a variable voltage device as they are regulated and prevent you from firing a dangerous build. Most regulated devices will fire 1.5 and up. A few may let you get a bit closer to 1 depending on their amp limits.
Sub ohm coils are very dangerous. They are not for beginner users - a small error can cost you your hands or face.
Starting by building and practicing at 1.5 and up is a VERY good idea. Progress from there should you even want to.
Please read http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion-safety-battery-info-warnings.html to learn about battery safety, C ratings, Ohms law, Airflow, Chargers and all of the other absolute necessities of knowledge and understanding prior to building anything.
Sub ohm coils are very dangerous. They are not for beginner users - a small error can cost you your hands or face.
Starting by building and practicing at 1.5 and up is a VERY good idea. Progress from there should you even want to.
Please read http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion-safety-battery-info-warnings.html to learn about battery safety, C ratings, Ohms law, Airflow, Chargers and all of the other absolute necessities of knowledge and understanding prior to building anything.
You build a sub ohm coil on an RBA or RDA, that then attaches to an APV or Mod. If you build sub ohm (less than 1 ohm) you will NOT be able to use it on a variable voltage device as they are regulated and prevent you from firing a dangerous build. Most regulated devices will fire 1.5 and up. A few may let you get a bit closer to 1 depending on their amp limits.
Sub ohm coils are very dangerous. They are not for beginner users - a small error can cost you your hands or face.
Starting by building and practicing at 1.5 and up is a VERY good idea. Progress from there should you even want to.
Please read http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion-safety-battery-info-warnings.html to learn about battery safety, C ratings, Ohms law, Airflow, Chargers and all of the other absolute necessities of knowledge and understanding prior to building anything.
Thanks for the info! I know how to build using the right volts for ohms, and the right batterys for your build. Ive done some for/with friends But I never heard of someone loosing a hand or face xD have seen one catch on fire tho personal experience.
Great information in here. Some of it will not apply to you, but some of it will. Loads of battery, coil, safety, and ohms law info. Check it out, and happy safe vaping.
Actually, there are VV & VW, variable voltage and wattage, devices out there that handle the sub ohm zone quiet well. The latest version of the VTR goes .5 ohms, the Beast Box VV mod handles .5 ohms quite well, then there is the kick 2 and of course the DNA30 that both accept .5 ohms, then there is the new contender that's in production called the SuperMax, VV & VW, handles build from 0.2-3.0 ohms wattage adjustable up to 70 watts, and voltage mode adjustable up to 6 volts with a maximum output of 96 watts.
I run 0.6-0.9 ohms consistently on the Beast Box and vaping my builds at 20 watts. Great consistent vape.
The game is changing so fast, and the sub ohm zone is no longer jurisdiction of the Mech Mods. Sub ohm is for those that vape at high watts regardless if they use mech's or reg's., One does need an rba, or rda re-buildable atomizers, to achieve high watt vaping. The atomizer must be able to wick enough juice and supply adequate air or you end up burning wick and getting a nasty awful dry hit.
One also will consume vastly more juice when vaping at high watts, I average around 13 ml of juice a day, which is my I also mix DIY juice.
I run 0.6-0.9 ohms consistently on the Beast Box and vaping my builds at 20 watts. Great consistent vape.
The game is changing so fast, and the sub ohm zone is no longer jurisdiction of the Mech Mods. Sub ohm is for those that vape at high watts regardless if they use mech's or reg's., One does need an rba, or rda re-buildable atomizers, to achieve high watt vaping. The atomizer must be able to wick enough juice and supply adequate air or you end up burning wick and getting a nasty awful dry hit.
One also will consume vastly more juice when vaping at high watts, I average around 13 ml of juice a day, which is my I also mix DIY juice.
LoL. Why would you do that? And people wonder why we have SO many warning labels.
Slightly off topic, but I would also like to meet the guy that thought he got a candy treat with his alarm clock radio. Really? We really needed to put "Do Not Eat" and "Not for Human Consumption" on desiccant packages?
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There's information in this thread I hadn't yet seen, not gathered and collected in one place, even though I had sussed most of it. Thank you for these extremely helpful links!
wes - Not to be mean - but you have been giving some good advice on safety. You asked a relative newbie question on Mods but are claiming experience on building sub-ohm. You really need to understand the whole picture. Yes anyone an wrap a sub ohm coil but you absolutely need to know the battery safety part. You need to completely understand Ohm's Law and how to calculate how many amps your pulling and whether the batteries C rating will handle it. You also need to apply some safety factors to all of these to make sure you have a safe build. We all want you to have a safe and enjoyable time.
That being said. You want a mech for sub ohm cloud chasing.
That being said. You want a mech for sub ohm cloud chasing.
Can it be dangerous? yes. Is it worth it once you become an experienced and confident coil builder? Most definitely. Always use an ohm meter.
Caution is always first on my list and on my list for helping others, this whole Sub Ohm thing to me is a waste, IMO i think a person who keeps the resistance at 1.3 - 1.8 is gonna have a great vape along with great flavor, i build alot of my things to work at 1.5-1.6 and have the same taste as if it were at .5ohm, just dont have the warm vape, I also think the lower ohms used with higher watts the flavor is lost, its just my opinion, But hey whatever works for you, but always use caution and safety..VAPE ON!!!
I agree with you Skittles...the biggest push towards sub-ohm is the size of the clouds. They can get massive at low ohms but you also need to have a lot of air flow as that stuff can be wicked hot (inhaling steam). i can blow a respectable cloud at the 1.3-1.8 range. I really like the simplicity of the mech and the taste of dripping.
Slightly to totally disagree with both Skittles and Wildman, Sure those that chase clouds tend to go sub ohm, but I chase total vape satisfaction. To me total vape satisfaction is flavor, nic delivery and volume of vape inhaled to the lungs. To me the juiciness of ones juice cannot be experienced till one hits at least 15 watts, then once you are able to push it up to 20 watts or higher, it takes on a more full bodied flavor.
To get the most flavor and satisfaction out of my juice I have been playing with various twisted wire combos, M.Magic, Tiger wire even Zebra wire, and some other combos. When using twisted wire one almost has to go less than 1 ohm or suffer from vape lag. A lot too depends on the atomizer being built. Some perform better at sub ohm than standard ohm builds and vice versa. Have one rba where if you try to put a standard ohm build in it, tis a dog, but build a .3-.5 ohm coil, and it's a vape monster. Have another rba that vape quite well at both sub and standard ohms. So I will build it accordingly to which mod I use it on to get the highest watt vape that it can handle without scarifying taste and satisfaction.
It's not a simple matter of this build is better than that, so much has to do with gear capability, user skills and knowledge. Personal preference plays a big part too, wick and wire type used, juice ratios all have their influences. Personally I am no longer completely satisfied with 15 watt vape, not when I have 20, 30 and 50 watt capability, 15 watts just seems lacking.
To get the most flavor and satisfaction out of my juice I have been playing with various twisted wire combos, M.Magic, Tiger wire even Zebra wire, and some other combos. When using twisted wire one almost has to go less than 1 ohm or suffer from vape lag. A lot too depends on the atomizer being built. Some perform better at sub ohm than standard ohm builds and vice versa. Have one rba where if you try to put a standard ohm build in it, tis a dog, but build a .3-.5 ohm coil, and it's a vape monster. Have another rba that vape quite well at both sub and standard ohms. So I will build it accordingly to which mod I use it on to get the highest watt vape that it can handle without scarifying taste and satisfaction.
It's not a simple matter of this build is better than that, so much has to do with gear capability, user skills and knowledge. Personal preference plays a big part too, wick and wire type used, juice ratios all have their influences. Personally I am no longer completely satisfied with 15 watt vape, not when I have 20, 30 and 50 watt capability, 15 watts just seems lacking.
Dice doesn't a lot of the flavor come from the air flow past the coils? Higher watts - hotter coils - more air flow. If you have too much air then vape is airy. Not enough air and vape is dry and scotching hot. Wicking plays a big factor to as your coils can't out perform your wicks. So many variables and throw in differnt coil builds and stuff.....I love this stuff.
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Wildman, air flow does indeed have a major influence. Being able to adjust the air flow for the watts provided is a major plus. Need enough air to keep the coils cool enough but not to much to dilute the vape and flavor. Tightness of the draw become a preference, I like a slight pull but not tight. As long as ones wicking is good, and air can be adjusted, then the question becomes how high do you want to vape at, what gives me the best satisfaction. Looking forward to the completion of my DNA30 and the Max, hopefully not much longer, then I'll see what will be. Kay Sarah Sara. or something like that. lmao
Vape long and Prosper.!!!!
Vape long and Prosper.!!!!
To a point I would generally agree, but with micro coil builds at around 1.5 ohms one sees very fast heat up time, similar to sub ohms. The advantage being more coil to wick surface area and more vapor produced. So much depends on the wire being used, style of the build and amps pushed. It's all a balancing act.
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