I would like to reduce the PG percentage as low as possible. Some flavors I use have PG, so it is inevitable that my mix will have some PG. What is an acceptable substitute for PG as a diluent? I have considered De-ionized water. Are there better alternatives? Are there downsides to DI water?
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i occassionally use pure grain alchohol up to 5% of my recipes instead of distilled water. you might be able to go as high as 10%. I make my recipes at 70% VG.
There are a few of us that much of the time vape nothing but VG, nicotine, and water. I have not found a down-side to water. I read someone claim that is the % water is high enough, it can be harsh, but I have not experienced that. I use around 10% water in my mixes, which thins the VG enough for my gear. There are PG-free flavors out there too, and there is a sticky thread on the first DIY page about that, as well as a lot of others threads. You do not need to vape PG at all if you don't want to.
Does anyone know how much DW is needed to bring down the thickness of VG to the same level as PG?
Probably 15% total between water and pg flavoring.
Water is ok it works, the only downside is a little more popping from your coil as the water steams faster than the juice. Sometimes at higher power you can have it pop pretty good to reach the mouth piece. Really if you want to go ~100vg, sans flavoring, i would just do it. I prefer only 5% water max to reduce popping. I wouldn't go over 10% at all..
All you really need to do is modify your wicking in the devices to allow the thicker juice to flow. I have only used 100vg since the beginning and have been able to get everything working. In the old cartomizers I used 5% water.
Water is ok it works, the only downside is a little more popping from your coil as the water steams faster than the juice. Sometimes at higher power you can have it pop pretty good to reach the mouth piece. Really if you want to go ~100vg, sans flavoring, i would just do it. I prefer only 5% water max to reduce popping. I wouldn't go over 10% at all..
All you really need to do is modify your wicking in the devices to allow the thicker juice to flow. I have only used 100vg since the beginning and have been able to get everything working. In the old cartomizers I used 5% water.
Oh I should add that I don't use any water anymore. I've learned the ways of making it work. Rayon helps a lot too if you rebuild.
Believe it or not, I have found that VG and water need time to completely meld together. The crackling sounds tend to go down in a couple of days after mixing.
Most flavorings are PG so when I make max VG liquid, I add up flavors & water so they total 20%.
Example: 7% of flavoring + 13% water = 20% {with no additional PG added, just VG nic & VG}
This works well for me. Hope this helps!
Example: 7% of flavoring + 13% water = 20% {with no additional PG added, just VG nic & VG}
This works well for me. Hope this helps!
Just like flavor steeping, this can be sped up with heat. But unlike flavor steeping, I think less heat and time is needed. If I soak my filled bottle of VG, nic, and water in a hot tap water bath until the contents are hot (120 deg F), and then give it a really good shaking, putting it back in the hot water for a few minutes and then shaking again, I get no popping and everything seems to stay mixed with no noticeable separation.
Can anyone speak to any practical differences between deionized, distilled and demineralized (ion exchange) water for this purpose? I can't think there is any real-world differences.
I understand for vaping purposes there is not much difference between the three. They all remove minerals from the water to various degrees. I also understand one of the three removes organic material as well - probably deionized water. You might be familiar with Intellicig, a UK co. They use deionized water in all their liquids. Vendors in the US of course use distilled.
Do you notice any froth on top of the liquid after vigorous shaking? It's a white foam which I think is water separating from the mix. Of course it will go away if you gently roll the bottle foe a few minutes.
Ha! Yeah, Intellicig (EcoPure) has a wonderful performance and consistency. That is part of the reason, along with Inawera VPG base, as to why I asked about the differences. Thanks.
Nope. VPG base is just the VG/PG and de-mineralized water (45% VG, 45% PG, 10% DMW) where as DNB is a tobacco flavor base (kinda just TA to me). But I have read things about their VPG that strike me as similar to the EcoPure "base."
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I have no idea if it is important for vaping, but at work I tend to avoid DI water if corrosion is of concern DI water usually is a bit acidic.
I haven't noticed that, but my water is always 10% or less, and perhaps I shake it less vigorously. Did you notice that when it was warm, or was it cold, or both?
In the lab portions of the only two chemistry classes I took, we used deionized water, and even had our own little deionizers. Just because of this, I assume the deionized is the cleaner of the three. Note the use of the word "assume".
Not to contradict Alien Traveler at all, but it's an experience I wanted to share.
Not to contradict Alien Traveler at all, but it's an experience I wanted to share.
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