Super T Precise 18

[Vaporologist]

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good for your p18 and p16 mine aint

But it could be, as stated a couple of times...

I'm just curious. Now that David offered to cover the cost of the round trip shipping to take care of this for you, will you actually give him the chance to live up to his reputation? Or will you refuse to let him fix it so that you can keep on bashing the highest quality PV on the market? I just want to know if you are the type of person who focuses on the problem or on the solution... Your answer or lack of it will obviously reveal your true intentions..

 

[progg]

APOLOGIZE THEN !

Its a review nothing else , thats it end of story you are just trying to stir something up that doesnt exsist

OK. I apologize if I misunderstood your posts that I referenced earlier.

I assume you'll be taking up SuperT's offer to make you whole and I hope you post the honest result.

Good Day.

 

[arry]

you can keep on bashing the highest quality PV on the market? .

Quality wise I think I rated it quite high !

You now seem to be trying to make Mount Everest from a Mouse Dropping .


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[arry]

OK. I apologize if I misunderstood your posts that I referenced earlier.

I assume you'll be taking up SuperT's offer to make you whole and I hope you post the honest result.

Good Day.

I am trying to reply to his PM's but you keep posting ,

BUT you can not buy or FIX a Review Soz

 

[Vaporologist]

Quality wise I think I rated it quite high !

Yes you did. But you are still bashing it, rather than taking the offer to experience its perfection...

You now seem to be trying to make Mount Everest from a Mouse Dropping .

Yes, you are right again. Your review does remind me of mouse dropping and some larger droppings as well... The only posts you've replied to in this thread are the ones that can possibly fuel your fire.

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That's pretty much what I expected. You are obviously more interested in creating problems rather than finding solutions. I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially and tried to help but it's pretty clear to me now that you have no interest in finding the resolution despite the red carpet treatment that SuperT customers get. I really don't care what you have to say anymore regarding this mater because you are making it obvious that your intentions are not pure. Thank you for revealing your true character. I will not be posting in this thread anymore because I don't want to be bumping it up every time I do. We all know that things which stink should be buried...

Good luck in finding the cure for the Cranial-.... Inversion...

 

[arry]

Yes you did. But you are still bashing it, rather than taking the offer to experience its perfection...

Yes, you are right again. Your review does remind me of mouse dropping and some larger droppings as well... The only posts you've replied to in this thread are the ones that can possibly fuel your fire.

That's pretty much what I expected. You are obviously more interested in creating problems rather than finding solutions. I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially and tried to help but it's pretty clear to me now that you have no interest in finding the resolution despite the red carpet treatment that SuperT customers get. I really don't care what you have to say anymore regarding this mater because you are making it obvious that your intentions are not pure. Thank you for revealing your true character. I will not be posting in this thread anymore because I don't want to be bumping it up every time I do. We all know that things which stink should be buried...

Good luck in finding the cure for the Cranial-.... Inversion...

Are you Super T publicist , your not doing David or Super T any Favors
I'm Talking with David via PM's

and as for Cranial-.... Inversion LOOK in the mirror

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[Goldenkobold]

Hah,
this poor thread is going to get locked before we get any opinions other than arry and Vaporologist at this rate.

I do not hold with the idea that a transatlantic voyage to fix a problem is a "good" thing in regards to a mod of this price, but I don't have a precise...they sure do look neat though, but I think arry should be able to report his experience with the product out of the mailbox without getting flamed because potentially it will get fixed if it travels back to the US ....gets worked on...and then travels back to the UK.

Under that mentality if someone got a mod X that was all jacked up, they shouldn't mention it because its under warranty and a month later they might get a good one?

edit: and all in all I didn't see this thing as super negative, he did say several positive things about it...and the fact that the button doesn't lock is a known feature of the precise line at this time...and not all mods take all cartomizers...especially those joye cartomizers.

 

[Vaporologist]

Hah,
this poor thread is going to get locked before we get any opinions other than arry and Vaporologist at this rate.

I do not hold with the idea that a transatlantic voyage to fix a problem is a "good" thing in regards to a mod of this price, but I don't have a precise...they sure do look neat though, but I think arry should be able to report his experience with the product out of the mailbox without getting flamed because potentially it will get fixed if it travels back to the US ....gets worked on...and then travels back to the UK.

Under that mentality if someone got a mod X that was all jacked up, they shouldn't mention it because its under warranty and a month later they might get a good one?

edit: and all in all I didn't see this thing as super negative, he did say several positive things about it...and the fact that the button doesn't lock is a known feature of the precise line at this time...and not all mods take all cartomizers...especially those joye cartomizers.

I said I won't post in this thread anymore but I hope you don't mind if I revert this one time. You made some good points in your post and I'd like to comment on them.

I totally agree that the OP is perfectly entitled and allowed to share his First Impression thoughts on the PV which he supposedly now owns. If you look at my first couple of posts in this thread you will notice that I didn't say anything negative about his thoughts and feelings about his P18. I had a small issue with mine which David took care of immediately and that's where he earned my respect and trust, through problem solving and awesome customer service. As awesome as David's work is, things can slip through the cracks. I truly thought that I could help the OP by pointing him in the right direction which he seems to had chosen to ignore. Obviously, that made me question his motives for the review and got me wondering exactly what kind of mission is he on. So, this thread has turned from a review thread to a personal character, or possible lack of, thread. He still refused to inform us whether he will send this PV to David or not and chooses to derail the issue with Borat pictures rather than posting pics of the P18 to show that he even has it...

Now, you wrote: "I do not hold with the idea that a transatlantic voyage to fix a problem is a "good" thing in regards to a mod of this price, but I don't have a precise...". I don't exactly understand and agree with you here. If you paid about $170 plus shipping for a PV and you feel it's not perfect according to your standards, you don't think it would be a good idea to have it shipped back and looked at? Seems like a waste of money to me. Why does it make more sense to keep it and not be able to use it? If you did ship it back and it came back to you in a perfect condition, I assume you would write up a Followup Review. Maybe the OP doesn't want that opportunity. Just a thought...

The reason why I stuck around in this thread is because I was hoping the OP would answer some simple questions for everything to finally makes sense. He is just making it very difficult for me to find him credible at all. It's too bad.

 

[Goldenkobold]

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Now, you wrote: "I do not hold with the idea that a transatlantic voyage to fix a problem is a "good" thing in regards to a mod of this price, but I don't have a precise...". I don't exactly understand and agree with you here. If you paid about $170 plus shipping for a PV and you feel it's not perfect according to your standards, you don't think it would be a good idea to have it shipped back and looked at? Seems like a waste of money to me.

Let me try my hand at one of those analogy things...

If I bought a TV a nice TV from some online source and I got it and it had some cosmetic flaw in the screen or some broken button, even if they covered the shipping for the return and got me a good working product a few weeks later. I would probably still be unhappy with the supplier for putting me through all that B.S. when I just wanted a T.V. and could have gone and got one somewhere else without all that hassle....any review of that product would reflect my experience of having to ship it back..and then wait for the next one. This would be especially annoying if it came from Europe and I had to return it to Europe as that only makes the delay longer. Maybe I shouldn't have bought something from across the atlantic but lets assume I payed a premium price for premium service and didn't get it...yes I would be a bit peeved.

I am not saying the Precise line is known for such flaws, in fact everyone who has one seems to like it and like I said they do look very nice. But it is on the upper end of the cost scale in regards to PV's and especially in regards to fix volt 3.7 PV's, as such I would expect outstanding quality control. In defense of Super-T, I believe the manufacturer says he has fixed the button issue...but that doesn't mean it wasn't an issue at one point, or that people don't have a right to be annoyed if they were affected, its not like they can go out and get a rental precise while they wait for it to be fixed.

 

[jivefly]

This arry guy has no interest in settling this matter. I'm convinced that he's dead set on pointing out flaws that no one else seem to have issues with. You can't ask for anything more than what Super T has offered in terms of an all around service and product that is unbeatable. The majority of other mods that are of similar functionality offer no warranty at all, sold as is, and no guarantees. In that sense, you get what you pay for. If you complain about a product and then complain about the service offered to perfect the issues, and keep complaining, then it's made obvious to me that you aren't interested in resolving the problems, but only complaining about them.

 

[VaporMadness]

This thread is pretty strident, so I'll try to temper things a bit.

His review wasn't all bad. What if you got yours and it was marred and didn't work well with your fav brand of carto? As hard as it is to believe given how over the top perfectionist David is, maybe he did ship a unit out with visible defects (shudder). Mine was flawless upon receipt and has worked with any 510 thing i've attached to it, but this guys experience may have been different.

He did a little unfair bashing on the switch, which is well known to not lock by all including by him prior to purchase, and on the price for a fixed 3.7v mod that "doesn't make tea", which is also well known to all including him. I would assume the motivation of that unfair bashing was disappointed in the visible defects and the trouble with his fav cartos. It's understandable, human, and ultimately forgiveable. Let's give the guy a chance...

 

[jivefly]

My main point was that all in all, it's a win/win situation because David makes it very obvious that he supports his devices fully and there's really no way you can go wrong with that. The review wasn't all bad, but for him to continue complaining and arguing when it's he could just get his P18 perfected is really what bothers me. No biggy. Just giving my opinion.

 

[dspin]

Super T warranty - Lifetime, he's taking care of it if you send it back.\\Pictures?? I like pictures but these are totally un-necessary and shows the type of thinking you possess.

Are you Super T publicist , your not doing David or Super T any Favors
I'm Talking with David via PM's

and as for Cranial-.... Inversion LOOK in the mirror

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[redrhino]

Not going to go into soppy , mushy , caressing mode over this ..
As at the end of the day its a replacement for a Cigarette not a Tag or Rolex.

Really? Not a Tag or a Rolex well i beg the differ......I believe the P18 is a Rolex......It has not failed me once....I had everything else fail on me..Mods,Atyys,Cartos,Batts,Chargers and Bad Juice..But i have yet to see my P18 fail me....

Engineering 9/10
Good and well engineered would have been a 10 but for what looked like Lathe chuck marks on it .

I have been an ECF Member for a while now....And as long as i have been an ECF member, i have yet to see a complaint on ECF boards as far as any craftsmanship issues are concerned about any of Davids Mods....As a mater of Fact I dare You Sir to find a Legitimate Post about any of Davids mods being shipped with a Lathe mark or any imperfection for that matter....As a matter off fact i actually never heard of anyone complaining about this issue...

Switch 5/10
It works , problem is it works when in you pocket in your shirt pocket , I do note that it does actually say the HORNS only HELP prevent from going off , so fine if your sat at a desk all day , otherwise its a pain in the backside , or top of your leg in this case as it burns ..
Also found switch constantly caught on the spring causing miss fires .
P.S although super t is aware of these problems and trying to fix .

Agreed..... Yes the Switch is a problem for some....But knowing this Beforehand you bought the PV anyways..

Appearance 9/10
Looks nice , not much more to say as down to personal preference

Love the look and the Feel......And yes you are Correct personal preference indeed....


Does it work 7/10
Works with a 510 atty same as any other mod nothing special , but a 510 carto i would say no as there is no way to feed air to the bottom of a carto as connection post blocks off air hole ..
There are other mods out there that work just as good or better at less than half the price .

Yes i did have a problem with one Carto not fitting properly..... But after a few minutes reading on ECF forums, i figured out that the carto was at fault and not the Mod it self....

Price Tag 3/10
Way over priced IMHO
If it did something special it might get a 7 but it doesn't , there are mods at a 3rd of this price that work just as well or better .
Stainless steel is still quite a soft metal it still marks , but swings and roundabouts I guess its harder to mark than Ali but also Harder to polish out than Ali .

As far as the price is Concerned....I feel that David priced his PV's Accordingly......Look the P18 is not for everyone....But remember the old saying... You get what you pay for


This is based on my Precise P18 .

Dont get caught up in HYPE !

Curious what hype are you referring too?????? Is the Hype how good the P18 works? Or is it the Lifetime Warranty hype maybe? (No matter if you are the original purchaser or not) Or is it the Hype about the P18 being the Most reliable Mod on the market today.....Works 100% of the time.......Or Maybe just Maybe all the hype is really there for a reason?


Regards

Just My 2 Cents Worth......

 

[arry]

Seems I am now to be edited from any right of reply to davids post as he has closed it ..

Remember This is a review .

I didnt ask for help
I havent asked for anything to be fixed
I did not ask for a return

I dont require any input

Receipt is attached for those doubters

but name and address not disclosed .

 

[MikeDeason]

You have a good close-up pic of the lathe chuck marks on the unit?

 

[Goldenkobold]

He said in another post he polished them off himself.

 

[Jackinkc]

After reading this post, I am seriously considering purchasing a Super T. The owner has gone above and beyond trying to make this "review" right. I would love to support a supplier that really does stand by his product 100%. Thanks for the "review"!!!!

I wanted to add, if you have not tried a super t drip tip, you need to asap. It's the only drip tip I use anymore. It's perfect.

 

[Vaporologist]

Let me try my hand at one of those analogy things...

If I bought a TV a nice TV from some online source and I got it and it had some cosmetic flaw in the screen or some broken button, even if they covered the shipping for the return and got me a good working product a few weeks later. I would probably still be unhappy with the supplier for putting me through all that B.S. when I just wanted a T.V. and could have gone and got one somewhere else without all that hassle....any review of that product would reflect my experience of having to ship it back..and then wait for the next one. This would be especially annoying if it came from Europe and I had to return it to Europe as that only makes the delay longer. Maybe I shouldn't have bought something from across the atlantic but lets assume I payed a premium price for premium service and didn't get it...yes I would be a bit peeved.

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Goldenkobold, I totally understanding what you are saying and I agree with you. If something like that actually happened, anyone would have the right to be peeved and even write a not very favorable review. That's one of the things that the forum is for, to inform each other of our experiences, good or bad. But, if you paid a good amount of money for the item and it's not functioning as you expected, what would you do about it, beside writing a "negative" review? If the manufacturer reached out to you and offered a fix or a replacement at absolutely no cost to you, would you seriously refuse it? Would you choose to keep a "defective" product which is not working for you? Since you won't be using it anyways, wouldn't it make sense to be without it while it's being fixed or replaced so that you can eventually have a perfectly functioning product which you paid for? Again, what's happening here simply doesn't make any sense at all. It just leaves a lot of room for speculation that the OP possibly doesn't want it fixed for whatever reason... I certainly hope he is not trying to sell this PV to someone if it's not in a perfect condition, that would obviously be just wrong especially since it can be fixed at no charge, assuming that his experience is legit...

 

[Goldenkobold]

Vaporologist,
I think we agree on most points, I was just supporting everyones right to post a negative review. I actually did pay money for a product and got, what I consider, a defective button...I chose to fix it myself or at least I am trying to fix it myself, so I have some understanding of not wanting to have to send your PV off into the mail again if it is still at all functional...and I see nothing in his review that states his device doesn't work or that he doesn't use it even with the faults.

But yes if it was something beyond my capabilities, and certainly if it was making the device 100% unusable, yea I would send it back. However I believe the Super-T manufacturer, who I hope doesn't take offense in any way to me supporting the OP's right to post a negative review, said fixing the button problem involves shaving off a few MM's from the tube?

So yea I think we are mostly in agreement.


...slight mid post change of tract here
I just noticed all the posts on the Super-T subforum and that this unit is, supposedly, sold.
now it appears this reviews validity is in question as a whole. The only thing I know for sure is that there was a P18 button issue at some time in the past, this is confirmed by Super-t, so some people were affected by it and Super-T offers to fix anyone who was affected for free. Still nothing in this review makes me think any less of the Super-T product line...yea the button doesn't lock...well it never did...Silver Bullets are not solar powered and the Saber Touch doesn't float.. this is all well known so pointing that out really isn't an issue. There was a past button issue but apparently has been resolved and was limited to only the P18 line and then only a few of them. Its worth knowing about the event, but it would not dissuade me from considering one for future purchase.

I don't really see anyone posting a bogus review just for the heck of it ....so I am going to assume its a valid review. That being said I think I will just...back away slowly from this thread...