Supplies for Orchid V6.... help picking out Kanthal Wire and Cotton

[Chris863]

Friend of mine recommended 100ft of Temco 26g kanthal resistance wire? Would this gauge be good for the orchid? Im looking to build coils in the range of 0.5 to about 1.5 ohm. However would like to experiment with coils as low as 0.1 ohm when i get a box mod. For my wicking could you tell me please what organic cottons are nice... heard a lot about japanese? but how about egyptian cotton? (probably a dumb question however im curious) The juices I vape are all 70 % VG, 30 % PG

Also can I use the same wire (26g) to rebuild some kanger heads, i have quite a few laying around and thought itd be good practice before I try it on the Orchids Deck.

As far as tools I have an ohm meter and a pair of dikes, anything else needed? maybe some ceramic tweezers etc.


Thanks


PS the orchid is going to go on an EGO 3.7 regulated battery till I can get a box mod to run it more proper. Looking to run 1.5 ohm on the EGO.

 

[Waddle]

If you are running it on an Ego battery I wouldn't go any lower than about 1.8 ohms. Which is difficult to do considering you'll have to run two 3.6 ohm coils. They will be monster coils. The Orchid can be run with a single coil but you have to block off one of the air holes which is only possible, I believe, with the Orchid V6. There are two small screws on the bottom. And you will have to plug up two of the channels with cotton to avoid flooding. 26ga wire is sturdy wire and will last you months with a good build. Most of my builds come in around 0.6 Ohms (2 x 1.2 Ohm coils) and that’s with about 10 wraps on a 2.5mm drill bit.

 

[roxynoodle]

Well, 26g wire is good for duals with a total resistance of 0.5 ohm.

For 1.5 ohm, try a single coil with 28g. That's about 7-8 wraps on a 3/32" bit. With the 26g wire I think you would need too many wraps to fit it on the deck.

I think people use 33-34g wire for Kanger heads.

I don't think its a good idea to build to 0.1ohm ever. Even on a regulated mod. And my understanding is the Orchid can only handle down to 0.3 ohm before insulators burn.

I've only tried rayon or Japanese organic cotton. I prefer rayon, but that's just my opinion

You need tweezers, an ohm meter, something to wrap coils on, a set of precision screwdrivers, needle nose pliers and a lighter to take the springiness out of the wire before you wrap the coils. Good scissors are helpful. I use an old pair of toenail clippers for cutting wire because they get close to posts and screws.

 

[duc916]

If you are running it on an Ego battery I wouldn't go any lower than about 1.8 ohms.

What's the reason for that? I've had quite a few ego batts and they all worked fine with the 1 ohm builds I used to make (28 ga microcoils in Protank heads). Of course I used KGD cotton in them so wicking was never an issue.

 

[duc916]

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Can I use the same wire (26g) to rebuild some kanger heads, i have quite a few laying around and thought itd be good practice before I try it on the Orchids Deck.

26 ga will be a little too thick for the grommet, and would deform it too much to be workable. I've used 28 ga without too much difficulty, but even then it's a squeeze. Also, with 26 ga you likely won't be able to wrap a coil greater than 1 ohm that's small enough to squeeze in there. Ego batts will flash (error) if your build resistance is too low.

Good idea to start there before the Orchid. If you can rebuild a Kanger head, you can build on any RTA. When you eventually move on to the Orchid it's gonna feel like you moved from a 400 sq ft apartment into a 5 bedroom house.

 

[Waddle]

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[Chris863]

appreciate it, yeah need to slow it down and learn before I advance my gear. But since when cant you use a 1.5 ohm coil on the EGO battery? Ive had multiple folks tell me that it was ok. Is 1.8 really that much of a difference compared to the 1.5. Reason I ask is I have some kangertech 1.5 ohm coils coming in from fasttech that I thought would work just fine with the cheap lil EGO(12 dollar 900 mah SmokTech Aro)

From what I can tell an Orchid tank would be overkill on an EGO battery. Probably need to learn to build a single coil with the kanger heads first before moving on to dual coil and so forth anyway. Should I purchase some thinner gauged wire, like 33 or 34 to try and rebuild the kangers? Also going to look into the KGD cotton(the organic japanese) Koh Gen Do Cotton.

 

[Chris863]

What's the reason for that? I've had quite a few ego batts and they all worked fine with the 1 ohm builds I used to make (28 ga microcoils in Protank heads). Of course I used KGD cotton in them so wicking was never an issue.

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Hey according to the chart, a 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.7 volt battery would be 9.13 (believe thats amps or watts?). The box is orange which means "too warm possible ejuice burning". My ejuice though is 70 % VG so need the coil to get as hot as it safely can with such thick liquid. I dont care about burnt taste or even a coil getting damaged I just dont want to push too much electrical current that would short the battery out.

 

[Waddle]

As a rule of thumb

Hey according to the chart, a 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.7 volt battery would be 9.13 (believe thats amps or watts?). The box is orange which means "too warm possible ejuice burning". My ejuice though is 70 % VG so need the coil to get as hot as it safely can with such thick liquid. I dont care about burnt taste or even a coil getting damaged I just dont want to push too much electrical current that would short the battery out.

@ duc916 On a 1 ohm coil (3.7v) you would be running at 3.7 amps.

@ Chris863 At 1.5 ohm - 2.5 amps. Most eGo batteries have a weak 2.5 amp switch. I would say below 1.8 ohm and it won't be able to fully power the coil.

 

[duc916]

@ duc916 On a 1 ohm coil (3.7v) you would be running at 3.7 amps.

The only thing I know about the eGo current limit is that when the button flashes, you went too low.

My 1 ohm builds never flashed on my Vision Spinner or any of my X6's, so I was good to go. Whether that was overly stressing the battery was moot at $12 a pop. None of them seemed to suffer for it.

 

[Waddle]

The Vision Spinners are a little different. Voltage can be adjusted from 3.2V~4.8V. However when you reach or try to exceed 2.5a the protection circuitry automatically reduces the output V's to a level that protects the battery. So any gain you think you're getting from going to a lower Ohm coil is moot.

 

[duc916]

Interesting.... I always thought they all just had a minimum resistance requirement. I built PT3 and Davide atties at 1 ohm and would only occasionally get flashing errors from one of the X6's, but mostly they worked fine at any voltage setting. Anyway, ancient history... A few of them found their way onto my xmas tree as ornaments.

 

[b.m.]

Probably need to learn to build a single coil with the kanger heads first before moving on to dual coil and so forth anyway. Should I purchase some thinner gauged wire, like 33 or 34 to try and rebuild the kangers?

I always rebuilt my kanger heads with 30 gauge and that worked out great.I used a 5/64" drill bit and wrapped between 10 and 12 wraps,which would give me 1.2-1.8ohms depending on the number of wraps i used,and i used these heads in my protank on an ego with no problems.

 

[spizzlo]

I have an Orchid V4, and I have 28 gauge, I think 8 wraps or maybe 9 on a 2mm bit for each coil. Getting like .7 ohms. You'll need to go like 12 wraps of 30 gauge on a 2.5mm bit. steam-engine.org is an awesome resource you should use to estimate what your ohms will be with what gauge and what mm bits, etc. It's amazing.

I use these Maxim Hygiene Organic Cotton Balls (affiliate link). They work well and are cheap. Japanese cotton is great too, and it's nice to just cut a strip, but it costs more. Just don't get cotton balls from Walmart, that would be a bad move

My problem with the Orchid is I get dry hits when I take a few drags one after the other. I'm actually looking for something else, like the subtank mini maybe.