I would agree with the TFA's Double RY4. If you don't like it after a hot water seep, let it sit for a week or more and see because it gets a lot better, however many like it right away. You can also mix in some Carmel Candy & Bavarian Cream from the RWhy4 recipe that someone created. There are threads for both the Double RY4 and the RWhy4 that give great reviews or variations.