Switched to a DC tank but isnt there a flaw with DC & Tanks?

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Am I doing something wrong. I switched from smok Mega XXXXL DC Carto to a smok DC tank. I put extra holes near the bottom however as it is a Dual Coil, one of those coils is going to be near the top of the Carto. With the wholes near the bottom as thats where the liquid sits, the top gets dry and I get a burnt taste.

Am I missing a technique somewhere?

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In my experience single coil cartos of the same rez produce significantly more vapor than a dual coil carto.

The juice in the tank should in theory be wicking up the filler material all the way to the top coil. I've never burned a dual coil in a tank before, usually even the very top of the filler material is wet with juice in all my carto tanks. What power are you using your tank at? When you take a drag off your PV, does a little bubble pop out of one of the holes in the carto? Are you using very thick juice? Are you taking drag after drag, each quickly after the other? I've heard of people burning all types of cartos before but never heard of the dual coils in tanks as being prone to burning.

Although I still think dual coil cartos are useless, just suck up more power for absolutely no increase in vape quality.
 

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Thanks for the tips, in fact I have not really used SC. I just made the assumption the more coils the more heat produced hence vapour. I do vape 50/50 mix, heavily at 5.5-6v with 18650 IMR batteries, and vaping virtually continuously, drag after drag. I found wick devices couldnt keep up. I have only noticed the occasional bubble popping out the carto. I do cut&saw quite a few extra holes into the carto but I have to keep them low, where the juice is.

I will give single coil a go, thanks. If anyone could recommend good tank set-ups I would be grateful.
 

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It sounds like your putting your carto through quite the torture test! I believe all those DC cartos that come stock with the tank are 1.5ohm, running at near 6 volts (even with a DC) seems pretty high, that could most definitely account for the burning.

The quick vaping, without letting the carto "rest" for a bit between drags can also contribute to this. At such high voltages, with a dual coil carto, your boiling a LOT of juice at once, probably drying out the filler material immediately surrounding the coil, and the material can't wick more juice from further away quick enough to stop the burning. I'm guessing that the carto also isn't getting enough juice fast enough from the tank, even with single hole cartos at moderate power I see at least 1-2 little bubbles on every single drag. Keeps the filler nice and wet.

If you are pumping a lot more power into the thing (and a lot more vapor out) that tank needs to supply a lot more juice to your carto, which it doesn't seem to be doing for one reason or another.

From what I can tell you just kind of have a "perfect storm" type situation where every little issue with a tank that can fail did fail. Not enough juice into the carto, not enough juice into the coil from the carto, slighty thicker than normal juice, high power, etc.

Cartos can vary from one to another. I usually buy large amounts of cartos whenever I place a carto order, and every now and again I'll get a carto, that straight out of the box will flood 100% of the time, others will fail to suck much juice from the tank at all and I have to suck on the tank several times without firing the coil just to suck up enough juice. And these are all the same exact carto, some work badly, most work good.

So it could be a faulty carto, or it could be the conditions you are subjecting this carto to that is causing the burning. It's possible even single coil cartos will give you this same issue if you are pumping tons of power into a less-than-soaked carto.

You can just get single coil cartos for your current tank, but if you are looking at getting another tank, then I'd suggest the locking tank, called the Artemas at some retailers. Takes the same cartos as your current tank (which means there are cartos with every combination of coils, ohms, and holes you could think of) but the carto is completely locked into the tank, so it can't spin and the tank can't fall off. Madvapes as well as many others carry this tank.

I also know that Baditude will suggest the IBtanked glass tanks when he makes his way back to this thread (;)) which I find to be very good tanks as well. I have an xl length 19mm and a short length 19mm right now, absolutely love them. I did chip one of the glass tubes but that's another story and was user error. The SS endcaps are super nice too.
 
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It sounds like your putting your carto through quite the torture test! I believe all those DC cartos that come stock with the tank are 1.5ohm, running at near 6 volts (even with a DC) seems pretty high, that could most definitely account for the burning.

The quick vaping, without letting the carto "rest" for a bit between drags can also contribute to this. At such high voltages, with a dual coil carto, your boiling a LOT of juice at once, probably drying out the filler material immediately surrounding the coil, and the material can't wick more juice from further away quick enough to stop the burning. I'm guessing that the carto also isn't getting enough juice fast enough from the tank, even with single hole cartos at moderate power I see at least 1-2 little bubbles on every single drag. Keeps the filler nice and wet.

If you are pumping a lot more power into the thing (and a lot more vapor out) that tank needs to supply a lot more juice to your carto, which it doesn't seem to be doing for one reason or another.

From what I can tell you just kind of have a "perfect storm" type situation where every little issue with a tank that can fail did fail. Not enough juice into the carto, not enough juice into the coil from the carto, slighty thicker than normal juice, high power, etc.

Cartos can vary from one to another. I usually buy large amounts of cartos whenever I place a carto order, and every now and again I'll get a carto, that straight out of the box will flood 100% of the time, others will fail to suck much juice from the tank at all and I have to suck on the tank several times without firing the coil just to suck up enough juice. And these are all the same exact carto, some work badly, most work good.

So it could be a faulty carto, or it could be the conditions you are subjecting this carto to that is causing the burning. It's possible even single coil cartos will give you this same issue if you are pumping tons of power into a less-than-soaked carto.

You can just get single coil cartos for your current tank, but if you are looking at getting another tank, then I'd suggest the locking tank, called the Artemas at some retailers. Takes the same cartos as your current tank (which means there are cartos with every combination of coils, ohms, and holes you could think of) but the carto is completely locked into the tank, so it can't spin and the tank can't fall off. Madvapes as well as many others carry this tank.

I also know that Baditude will suggest the IBtanked glass tanks when he makes his way back to this thread (;)) which I find to be very good tanks as well. I have an xl length 19mm and a short length 19mm right now, absolutely love them. I did chip one of the glass tubes but that's another story and was user error. The SS endcaps are super nice too.

Thanks for all the advice. I do come across bad carto's as well. About 1 in 4 or 5. I am in the UK and I guess I will have to buy the ones you suggest in the USA as we only seem to get Vision Nova or Smok tanks but I have not searched extensively. I do seem to hammer my devices and I just killed another AW IMR by over-draining it.

I have seen a couple of items that may help on Bigdaddy vapor I think. A tank re-filler tool that means you can push the carto out all the way, it blocks the bottom and you can then completely top up the tank. That means I can put some holes higher up as well. I just need to find someone in the UK selling them. The problem with buying small bits from the USA is the customs charge may be 20p but the handling fee is £8. Thanks once again
 

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I highly recommend the Slap-Yo-Momma tank accessory tool. It comes in very handy for any cartotank user, and will also help protect your tank's o-rings from tearing or shearing.

A useful tip that I came up with when pre-filling your cartos is to place a wooden tooth pick into the center air hole to block any liquid from getting in there.

I was always curious about the internal anatomy of a cartomizer to help me understand how they work...why do some cause a burnt taste or flood. Here is an interesting ECF thread with pictures of a dissected dual coil carto.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/242243-anatomy-dual-coil-cartomizer-pics-inside.html

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Above are images from the thread of the dissected dual coil cartomizer. Click the images to enlarge.
 

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You can pick up some Boge or other XL single coil cartos in the UK, places like liberty-flights. As long as they are XL, and bare stainless steel (no wrappers), they should work fine.

For 5.5 - 6V, probably a 3 ohm, maybe even higher, carto. 3 ohms at 6volts is 12Watts, at the hot end of the spectrum for many eliquids.

If you're vaping nearly continuously, at that power, is it that you really like that flavor/power, or maybe that you need to bump the nic level (mg/ml) because you are using too low strength an eliquid?
 

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You can pick up some Boge or other XL single coil cartos in the UK, places like liberty-flights. As long as they are XL, and bare stainless steel (no wrappers), they should work fine.

For 5.5 - 6V, probably a 3 ohm, maybe even higher, carto. 3 ohms at 6volts is 12Watts, at the hot end of the spectrum for many eliquids.

If you're vaping nearly continuously, at that power, is it that you really like that flavor/power, or maybe that you need to bump the nic level (mg/ml) because you are using too low strength an eliquid?

Thanks for the info,

I think I am overdoing it. I use 1.5ohm at 5.5v = 20w but the device caps it at 15w.

I mix my own and use 27mg as its easy to measure using 54mg strength eliquid. I should perhaps increase, then my PV can have a break.

ps thanks for your tips too Baditude & everyone else.
 
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