Switching from mechs to regulated. What to choose?

[JonasDK]

Hey guys.

I didn't really know where to put this one. So I guess I'll just leave it here.

I've been vaping on mechs for quite a while now. But lately I've been wanting to switch over to a regulated device. But I'm not really sure of what to get.
Lately I've been rocking drippers at around 0.2 ohms on my mechs. Would I be able to get the same kind of experience from let's say a 40 watt device, or do I have to go higher?

Of course function comes over form. But all the high wattage devices I've seen this fare doesn't realy seem that pocket friendly.

Any friendly advice out there?

 

[JeremyR]

So you Rocking 88w fresh down to 60w at 3.5v battery. Your amperage is between 21 and 17 amps. These figures are pretty high.

Most 35 amps bats are really 20 amps continuous. So I hope you've got the best batteries available, and are well versed in ohms law, battery limitations, and safe practices.

40w won't even come close.

However you would be doing yourself a great thing if you moved to a regulated device. The safety factor is magnitudes above a mech.

 

[Ryedan]

Hey guys.

I didn't really know where to put this one. So I guess I'll just leave it here.

I've been vaping on mechs for quite a while now. But lately I've been wanting to switch over to a regulated device. But I'm not really sure of what to get.
Lately I've been rocking drippers at around 0.2 ohms on my mechs. Would I be able to get the same kind of experience from let's say a 40 watt device, or do I have to go higher?

Hi Jonas. A 0.2 ohm mech mod setup puts about 65 watts max into your atty, taking into account voltage drop in that device. So if you like vaping that setup, a 100 watt device should allow you to get the same performance with a bit of power to spare.

Of course function comes over form. But all the high wattage devices I've seen this fare doesn't realy seem that pocket friendly.

You'll have to figure this one out on your own my friend

Vape on

 

[Croak]

For pocket friendly high wattage regulated mods that will keep you hitting about the same as your mech, there's the IPV Mini V2 70w, the Smok M50 65w, the Yihi SX Mini 60w, all single 18650 devices and all of them can fire down to 0.2 ohms.

For dual batteries and 100+ watts, well, there's quite a few good choices. The upcoming 100w IPV4 looks to be one of the smallest 2x 18650 setups out there though, with a proven SX330 board.

 

[JonasDK]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

I'm not saying that I want to stay at 0.2 ohms when I switch over to a regulated device. If that was the case I wouldn't even consider a 40 watt device.
What I'm asking is if I could get the same kind of experience at 40 watts with a higher ohm range, or maybe a different topper.
I have a Youde Goblin coming in the mail. Maybe that's the answer?

 

[JeremyR]

Well I would say yes, you can actually. Even a better vape.

Enter your coil information into steam engine and wattage to see how much heat your coil is putting out.

I run a 1.3 ohms 28g or parallel 32 at 6v and produce 328 mw/mm² (Heat flux) Much higher than many subohm set ups.

And heats up much faster too. 12-19 mj/k¹ (Heat capacity)

What wire gauge are you using I can calculate it for you.

 

[Elmasryahmed]

Yihi sxmini is the way to go.


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[edger61]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

I'm not saying that I want to stay at 0.2 ohms when I switch over to a regulated device. If that was the case I wouldn't even consider a 40 watt device.
What I'm asking is if I could get the same kind of experience at 40 watts with a higher ohm range, or maybe a different topper.
I have a Youde Goblin coming in the mail. Maybe that's the answer?

I've given high consideration, to the Youde Goblin, myself...as my first RDA...

 

[JonasDK]

Right now I'm running a 26g dual parallel coil at 0.19 ohms.

 

[JeremyR]

A parallel 26 , dual coil at .19 with 70w provides you with these stats.

8wraps at 2mm
Coil Ω 0.38 Ω each
Heat flux@70W - *204 mW/mm²
Heat capacity (each coil)- 56.76 mJ K-¹

So yes you can easily better that. You just need to get the right gauge wire to match your preferred heat level and wick coverage.

I run 329mw with parallel 32g single 1.3ohm at 6v. It chucks instant clouds like no tomorrow.

An example for you- a dual single wire 30g at 1.2 and 30w would net this -

10wraps at 2mm
Coil Ω each - 2.4 Ω
Heat flux@30W - 222 mW/mm²
Heat capacity (each coil) 14.02 mJ K-1

(Same setup at 40w would net 297 MW/mm²)

Heat capacity coincides to heat up time, much faster. Heat flux is the amount of heat produced, more heat. As you can see from the example, you will actually get more heat faster at higher ohms and less wattage. With a very high level of safety.

You really only need all that wattage because you have such a mass of wire to heat up.

 

[JeremyR]

Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[Wruff]

If you're vaping .2Ω on a mech then I think a 40 watt device will leave you wanting. I suggest you consider 100 watts. I was vaping my mech at .3Ω when I made the switch to the Sigelei 100 Plus regulated. Vaping now around .7Ω @ 40 watts. It's nice to know that I'm not pushing the limits of the device and have plenty of watts to power any build I want.

 

[tj99959]

Basically wattage equates to the volume of the vape, and 10 seconds at 10 watts is the same volume as 1 second at 100 watts. This simply means that there are a lot of different ways to get to the same place.

IMO what makes for a good regulated PV is still having the ability to choose which battery to use in it along with the ability to choose the desired power accurately.

P.B. reviewed one this morning that looks pretty good. I like the fact that it monitors your batteries ability to provide what you're asking of it, (battery sag) and warns you if the battery isn't up to the task.

 

[Ryedan]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

I'm not saying that I want to stay at 0.2 ohms when I switch over to a regulated device. If that was the case I wouldn't even consider a 40 watt device.
What I'm asking is if I could get the same kind of experience at 40 watts with a higher ohm range, or maybe a different topper.
I have a Youde Goblin coming in the mail. Maybe that's the answer?

It's very difficult to get the same experience with 40 watts as with 65 watts. tj99959 explained it well in the post above this one. Power level directly influences the amount of vapor you'll get per second and that has a huge impact on your vape experience. It also changes the flavor. I make my own juices and I actually change the recipe for lower power vs higher power.

Now if you're interested in maintaining some part of the vape experience, like flavor, atty design has a big influence on this. There are so many variables involved though, including what you really mean by 'the same kind of experience', that you really need to give us more information

 

[JeremyR]

Yeah Jonas there's a lot of variables.

One I'd be Interested in is how long are your draws to get the vapor you want with your current setup?

How long of a delay before vapor production ramps up?

I think you'd be surprised with the vapor I can get from high gauge and high voltage.

 

[DaveP]

If there are "real" vapor stores in your area it might be to your advantage to visit them and talk. Most will let you try different setups to see how you like them. The guys in Stormy's Vapor Cellar in my town are all cloud makers and can talk the talk and help people compare the hardware.

I'm a low watt vaper, so I probably can't offer you the info you are looking for, but I do know that vapor and flavor don't have to be in the 80 watt range to satisfy. Stormy's owner, Carolyn, handed me a DNA30 clone one day that was set at 23 watts with a Nautilus Mini on it that had drilled out air holes. I took a long hit and blew a stream of thick vapor 6 or 7 feet long. The flavor was outstanding and the vapor wasn't harsh at all.

The point is that there are many ways to get the vape you want. It doesn't have to be a mech and it may not need to pull more than 40 watts if it's set up right. There are lots of ways to get a regulated vape that meets your expectations these days.