Hey guys recently changed from analogs to vaping and today i started on the SD with a new 24mg PG based liquid, has or do anyone get side effects when changing? If so, what did you experience? 
Thanks
Eddy
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Eddy
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I only ask since i have now sinus ache (face ache! lol) and been to the loo a few times.......
Now i know these are common effects of nic overdose, or too much nic at least, could this or would this be a likely culprit?
Many thanks
Eddy
Now i know these are common effects of nic overdose, or too much nic at least, could this or would this be a likely culprit?
Many thanks
Eddy
It could be. I know I had chest congestion for a couple weeks or so. My lungs were actually clearing out all the tar and junk.
I only ask since i have now sinus ache (face ache! lol) and been to the loo a few times.......
Now i know these are common effects of nic overdose, or too much nic at least, could this or would this be a likely culprit?
Many thanks
Eddy
Hi all
Happy vaping
and good luck keeping off the analogs (those of who you are intending this)!
Been analog-free for a week, after a 22-year habit; vaping instead. Symptoms I've noticed:
a) Digestion
Completely different. Some odd effects on how often I use the toilet, how my guts feel. I know that, for me, analogs had a big effect on my digestion - I probably abused them to prevent hunger-pangs when my busyness made it hard to settle down to a meal, or to get me "going" in the morning.
One reason for this may be that I'm probably much better-hydrated, after taking the advice here and drinking lots of water (a pint at a time, with half a lemon's worth of juice).
b) Energy
This is exciting but difficult to cope with. I have so much physical energy and impulse to go nuts and move. Ants in my pants. I think analogs damped down/removed this impulse. I'm having to change my routine to allow much more exercise: running, dance.
c) Lack of concentration
Difficult to concentrate exclusively on one task. I think I used my previous cigarette->craving->cigarette->craving cycle to work at my best in some way: I was good at it and it was familiar. Vaping seems to be to be a completely different cycle, both in terms of how your body feels and in terms of what you do. There isn't that buildup buildup buildup followed by "ahh, I'll have a cigarette now". Cigarettes were a very obvious "marker" or "divider" of the day, because you generally can't smoke a cigarette when you're working indoors, or on the bus/train/subway. Vaping doesn't work like that for me. I can stealth-vape pretty much anywhere, if I like. This makes the previous "I'm working/concentrating<->now I'm relaxing with a cigarette" division much more fluid.
Hoping I get used to this one. I've started out with exclusively 12mg liquid - on my next order I'll include some 24mg just in case I feel I need it.
d) Emotions
Intense. I connect this with my sense of smell coming back. I'm wondering whether I didn't walk about in a kind of emotionally-flatlined state when I smoked analogs. So I can be a bit irritable.
e) Tiredness/exhaustion
Now there are other reasons why I should be feeling tired right now. February in Scotland: cold outside (and it's been a very cloudy, dark winter). Ridiculous working hours in January followed by a break. Change in work circumstances. But maybe the process of giving up analogs, unplugging and reeling back in all those familiar connections, and not having any new ones ready yet, just is exhausting?
and finally, of course...
f) Addiction to this forum
Would love to read comments/experiences from others on these points.
Happy vaping
and good luck keeping off the analogs (those of who you are intending this)!Been analog-free for a week, after a 22-year habit; vaping instead. Symptoms I've noticed:
a) Digestion
Completely different. Some odd effects on how often I use the toilet, how my guts feel. I know that, for me, analogs had a big effect on my digestion - I probably abused them to prevent hunger-pangs when my busyness made it hard to settle down to a meal, or to get me "going" in the morning.
One reason for this may be that I'm probably much better-hydrated, after taking the advice here and drinking lots of water (a pint at a time, with half a lemon's worth of juice).
b) Energy
This is exciting but difficult to cope with. I have so much physical energy and impulse to go nuts and move. Ants in my pants. I think analogs damped down/removed this impulse. I'm having to change my routine to allow much more exercise: running, dance.
c) Lack of concentration
Difficult to concentrate exclusively on one task. I think I used my previous cigarette->craving->cigarette->craving cycle to work at my best in some way: I was good at it and it was familiar. Vaping seems to be to be a completely different cycle, both in terms of how your body feels and in terms of what you do. There isn't that buildup buildup buildup followed by "ahh, I'll have a cigarette now". Cigarettes were a very obvious "marker" or "divider" of the day, because you generally can't smoke a cigarette when you're working indoors, or on the bus/train/subway. Vaping doesn't work like that for me. I can stealth-vape pretty much anywhere, if I like. This makes the previous "I'm working/concentrating<->now I'm relaxing with a cigarette" division much more fluid.
Hoping I get used to this one. I've started out with exclusively 12mg liquid - on my next order I'll include some 24mg just in case I feel I need it.
d) Emotions
Intense. I connect this with my sense of smell coming back. I'm wondering whether I didn't walk about in a kind of emotionally-flatlined state when I smoked analogs. So I can be a bit irritable.
e) Tiredness/exhaustion
Now there are other reasons why I should be feeling tired right now. February in Scotland: cold outside (and it's been a very cloudy, dark winter). Ridiculous working hours in January followed by a break. Change in work circumstances. But maybe the process of giving up analogs, unplugging and reeling back in all those familiar connections, and not having any new ones ready yet, just is exhausting?
and finally, of course...
f) Addiction to this forum
Would love to read comments/experiences from others on these points.
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Please do keep in mind that while you are going through "the change" you are eliminating far more stuff from your system than you are introducing into it. Irritability, insomnia, GI complaints, headache short attention span etc. etc... There are many symptoms of the effects of stopping smoking and that vast cornucopia of toxins and chemicals you used to inhale. Taking in nicotine via vaping does not equal replacing smoking - thank god.
I went through two weeks of full blown quit smoking withdrawal. E-cigs, for me, did not simply replace cigarettes and everything was peachy. Still, quitting cigarettes was far easier doing it this way than anything else I tried. And obviously more successful. Sure, there can be some side effects from vaping. But in the early weeks of getting off analogs, chances are anything you are experiencing has more to do with smoking being taken out of the picture than with what e-cigs may be introducing. But do read up on both sides of this issue - smoking cessation symptoms and possible vaping concerns - to understand what your body is experiencing.
Oh. That whole addicted to the forum thing? Can't help ya out there. If it wasn't for this forum I would have never made good hardware choices for my first purchase. Let alone figured out the far more difficult question for noobs: what nic levels to try. Sorry, but addiction to ecf is a good thing.
I went through two weeks of full blown quit smoking withdrawal. E-cigs, for me, did not simply replace cigarettes and everything was peachy. Still, quitting cigarettes was far easier doing it this way than anything else I tried. And obviously more successful. Sure, there can be some side effects from vaping. But in the early weeks of getting off analogs, chances are anything you are experiencing has more to do with smoking being taken out of the picture than with what e-cigs may be introducing. But do read up on both sides of this issue - smoking cessation symptoms and possible vaping concerns - to understand what your body is experiencing.
Oh. That whole addicted to the forum thing? Can't help ya out there. If it wasn't for this forum I would have never made good hardware choices for my first purchase. Let alone figured out the far more difficult question for noobs: what nic levels to try. Sorry, but addiction to ecf is a good thing.
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addiction to ecf is a good thing.
Yup! I may be "addicted" to this forum; I may be addicted to my vape-juices. Who cares? I'm not addicted to the analogs anymore, and that's got to be a good thing!
"Addicted"? Maybe. Maybe not so much...
I know the OP was asking more about physiological changes you go through. But toward the end of my first month of vaping guess what? Timing is everything and I got stuck in the car, both my batteries pooped out on me one right after the other, and I was still nearly a half hour away from home and a charger. For a 1.5 PAD smoker that would mean dropping everything and finding the nearest exit - and a Kwikee Mart - to get more butts before a total freak-out melt down nicotine fit happened.
But I just... sat there. No freak out. Made it home and to a working battery without having a melt down. Did I think that kind of change was possible? Actually running out of a nicotine fix and surviving it? For a whole 30 minutes even?
Give it some time and you may start to wonder just what you are/were addicted to. I still want my nicotine. But I'm surprised how less panicked I am about it since changing to vaping. In November I went for 48 hours in the hospital with no vaping at all. And survived!
Even my MD thinks there may be more placebo going on here than anything else based on the method of delivery. Regardless he's perfectly fine with it.
Oh, in case you are wondering I'm using 26 mg liquids.
I had sinus head aches dry mouth but I think a lot this stuff is from clearing out all the other chemicals in cigs.There is a lot of really bad stuff in cigarettes.And yeah I am am seriously addicted to this forum.
so far all i have noticed has been strange dreams, frequent trips to the bathroom probably from drinking so many liquids up and down all night going to the bathroom, little hart burn but probably is actually a little better than it was b4 switching, havn't had one a them horrible migraines since I quit smoking. my sinuses have been different not better not worse just different, kinda more mobile if you can figure out what that means, it moves around where as before it was just there nuthin in nuthin out. more energy I don't know what to do with, feel i have been out of touch with the world for a couple weeks.
Hey guys recently changed from analogs to vaping and today i started on the SD with a new 24mg PG based liquid, has or do anyone get side effects when changing? If so, what did you experience?
Thanks
Eddy
I wouldnt expect any changes because your still getting nicotine. Its the nicotine that causes the most withdraw symptoms. I have been off analogs for 9 days now.. Not a single difference, not a single side effect of any kind. I know months from now Ill be coughing getting the crap out of my lungs but as for "side effects' zero, zip, nodda.
same... i'm off for 5 days now and i haven't really noticed much of a difference at all.
Wait wait im wrong there is a symptom. No more matches books and lighters showing up in the washing machine!! lol
well, i've just started hacking up loads of ugly colored phlegm on day 6. i'm pretty sure i'm not sick or getting sick. i've read somewhere that this is normal once smokers quit. i'm 37 now and this is the longest i've gone without tobacco since i was 18 or so.....
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I work in retail, and took to smoking to give me that ZING that I needed to work commission appliance sales successfully. I was only smoking at work, but over the course of six years, I noticed that my "work pack" (which usually lasted about a week) was starting to follow me home with increasing frequency. For about 3 years I had been using a standard Blu set for when I had the urge at home or in the car with intention of eventually transitioning totally, but never had abandoned the analogs entirely.
Until now.
After seeing more and more of the scary smoking ads (especially the skeleton lady who shows everyone how she starts her day and the things you can't do with a stoma one too!) I decided that I have been pushing my luck long enough. I bought myself the superior Blu premium 100s starter kit, gave my old set to my girlfriend, and quit the analogs altogether. It has been 15 days so far, and thanks to the Blu, I haven't gone insane, but I have noticed some withdrawal symptoms.
For one, my edge on the sales floor seems to have slipped. I feel tired, my attention wanders, I'm not as quick with a joke or just the right thing to say at the right time to induce my customers to buy. I can't seem to get up the energy to activate my "sales schtick", which is the personality I assume with customers that entertains them, informs them, and puts them at ease all at the same time. Even when I get enough sleep, I feel tired and worn out. Everything "feels" different, how I think, how I see the world, how I react to stuff. I feel lazy, more prone to watching my DVR cache of Big Bang Theory than doing that laundry or filling out that paperwork I need to do.
I never allow myself to feel "depressed" but I can tell that I could slip into that state easily if I let myself do so. Depression doesn't sell appliances.
I've been enjoying my BLU 100s (though I know a lot of people here hate them, the 100s really address the issues of the previous iteration) and use up about a full strength cartomizer a day. This, I believe has kept me on a more even keel than I would be otherwise.
I just hope this listlessness abates soon. I like to believe that my "sales schtick" came from my own mind and abilities, and not from a burning tube of paper and leaves, and hope that this will be proven true as the withdrawal to the tobacco alkaloyds fades. I'm NOT going back to analogs, that's for sure.
Wish me luck!
Until now.
After seeing more and more of the scary smoking ads (especially the skeleton lady who shows everyone how she starts her day and the things you can't do with a stoma one too!) I decided that I have been pushing my luck long enough. I bought myself the superior Blu premium 100s starter kit, gave my old set to my girlfriend, and quit the analogs altogether. It has been 15 days so far, and thanks to the Blu, I haven't gone insane, but I have noticed some withdrawal symptoms.
For one, my edge on the sales floor seems to have slipped. I feel tired, my attention wanders, I'm not as quick with a joke or just the right thing to say at the right time to induce my customers to buy. I can't seem to get up the energy to activate my "sales schtick", which is the personality I assume with customers that entertains them, informs them, and puts them at ease all at the same time. Even when I get enough sleep, I feel tired and worn out. Everything "feels" different, how I think, how I see the world, how I react to stuff. I feel lazy, more prone to watching my DVR cache of Big Bang Theory than doing that laundry or filling out that paperwork I need to do.
I never allow myself to feel "depressed" but I can tell that I could slip into that state easily if I let myself do so. Depression doesn't sell appliances.
I've been enjoying my BLU 100s (though I know a lot of people here hate them, the 100s really address the issues of the previous iteration) and use up about a full strength cartomizer a day. This, I believe has kept me on a more even keel than I would be otherwise.
I just hope this listlessness abates soon. I like to believe that my "sales schtick" came from my own mind and abilities, and not from a burning tube of paper and leaves, and hope that this will be proven true as the withdrawal to the tobacco alkaloyds fades. I'm NOT going back to analogs, that's for sure.
Wish me luck!
Some believe that a lot of smokers are actually self-medicating their undiagnosed depression because there are compounds in cigarette smoke that act as MAOIs; not getting these is why some may find it so hard to quit.
I'm definitely not an authority on it but you may find more information in the Health, Safety and E-Smoking section.
I'm definitely not an authority on it but you may find more information in the Health, Safety and E-Smoking section.
There are people who say that the switch has been seamless, don't notice much of a difference, etc. That's not how it works with everyone though. I gave up trying to quit smoking back in the 80s. At that point in my life I realized that I was never going to quit, as enough time away from a cigarette and nothing else really mattered. For instance when I was a kid, I traveled the country like many young people do, there was a month or so where I was down on my luck so to speak, I didn't have a place to live or anything to eat but I did manage to smoke, because that's what I spent my time doing, bumming smokes. I remember reflecting on the relative importance of this and smoking was far and away my most basic need.
So this was over 30 years ago, and if anything, if it's even possible, my addiction to cigarettes grew. I've only flown once they banned smoking on planes, and that was during an unavoidable business trip, which I ended up going 5 hours without a cigarette and I thought this isn't an experience I ever want to repeat again.
So yeah, some people are more addicted than others. I started vaping not to quit, but to cut down, and I told people well if I ever quit it's going to have to be pretty easy, I'm not going through a lot of pain. However at various times I decided to try just to vape, and the furthest I ever made it was 5 hours.
So one day I decided to give this a try again, maybe try a little harder. It's really weird how this all worked out, other times I would end up really wanting to smoke, thinking there's no way I can do this, the desire to smoke is just too strong. So when I read about people that say it's easy, speak for yourself. However this time it was much, much easier, for some reason. It wasn't will power, I admit I don't have a lot of that, but it just seemed to go pretty smoothly. It was very tough over the first couple of days but somehow I could handle it.
So I would count the hours and I remember getting to 30 and almost giving in. I took the cigarettes out, smelled them, thought about it, almost lit one up, but put them down. I did this again at about 40 hours. Once again I staved off the craving, and thought geez this is way longer than I've been without a smoke since the 70s, why not keep it going for a little while longer anyway.
So about this time I decided that the 30 mg I had been vaping probably wasn't enough, so if I was going to fail here, I was going to go out with guns blazing, so I cooked up a batch of 36 mg. That made all the difference. At times there was no doubt that I was getting too much nic for my body to comfortably handle, and I got mild headaches and mild nausea, but at the same time I needed that much nic to stave off smoking, so that's how much I used.
I am more accustomed to the higher level of nic now, a couple weeks later, but at the same time I don't vape as much. I've learned a hell of a lot about vaping over this time, going from part time vaping and still smoking 30 cigarettes a day (instead of 50) and going to no cigarettes.
I've heard people say that your lungs clear out as you go along, I haven't gotten to that stage yet, not sure I will, it's true that I am breathing a little better though. This could be from my still inhaling deeply, instead of, say, the more mouth vaping that some people do, I still give my lungs a good "workout" every day you might say. I'm also not smelling better like people say, although that may come in time, I don't really care that much.
It's day 17, I guess for the most part I do feel a little better every day, although I am not all better yet by any means. I haven't really seriously considering lighting up since I threw my cigarettes away almost two weeks ago, although my goal is to feel better than I did when I was smoking, and I'm at least getting fairly close to that now, but I am not there by any means. I'm looking to try WTA juice, there's no question that regular juice doesn't do it for me completely, although the methods I would now consider to get this other fix now don't include smoking. I do need something else though even if it's smokeless tobacco, that's pretty gross and a last resort but still a better choice than smoking if it ever comes to that.
So we'll see how that goes, I have a good feeling about WTA though from reading some of the experiences of others. The people who are happy now with regular juice say they can't tell the difference, and people who regular juice doesn't do it completely for them say it does help. I'm in the latter group for sure. Smoking used to relax me, vaping really doesn't, and I'm still real tense all the time, and do not feel right at all, although it's not anything I can't hack now, but getting rid of that would be good
So this really is a journey for some people, and one I never thought I'd make, but here I am and if nothing else I'm a non smoker now, which is pretty unbelievable
I still won't be flying though, the .......s don't allow PVs on flights, at least not Air Canada, but who cares. I'm pretty happy staying close to home
So this was over 30 years ago, and if anything, if it's even possible, my addiction to cigarettes grew. I've only flown once they banned smoking on planes, and that was during an unavoidable business trip, which I ended up going 5 hours without a cigarette and I thought this isn't an experience I ever want to repeat again.
So yeah, some people are more addicted than others. I started vaping not to quit, but to cut down, and I told people well if I ever quit it's going to have to be pretty easy, I'm not going through a lot of pain. However at various times I decided to try just to vape, and the furthest I ever made it was 5 hours.
So one day I decided to give this a try again, maybe try a little harder. It's really weird how this all worked out, other times I would end up really wanting to smoke, thinking there's no way I can do this, the desire to smoke is just too strong. So when I read about people that say it's easy, speak for yourself. However this time it was much, much easier, for some reason. It wasn't will power, I admit I don't have a lot of that, but it just seemed to go pretty smoothly. It was very tough over the first couple of days but somehow I could handle it.
So I would count the hours and I remember getting to 30 and almost giving in. I took the cigarettes out, smelled them, thought about it, almost lit one up, but put them down. I did this again at about 40 hours. Once again I staved off the craving, and thought geez this is way longer than I've been without a smoke since the 70s, why not keep it going for a little while longer anyway.
So about this time I decided that the 30 mg I had been vaping probably wasn't enough, so if I was going to fail here, I was going to go out with guns blazing, so I cooked up a batch of 36 mg. That made all the difference. At times there was no doubt that I was getting too much nic for my body to comfortably handle, and I got mild headaches and mild nausea, but at the same time I needed that much nic to stave off smoking, so that's how much I used.
I am more accustomed to the higher level of nic now, a couple weeks later, but at the same time I don't vape as much. I've learned a hell of a lot about vaping over this time, going from part time vaping and still smoking 30 cigarettes a day (instead of 50) and going to no cigarettes.
I've heard people say that your lungs clear out as you go along, I haven't gotten to that stage yet, not sure I will, it's true that I am breathing a little better though. This could be from my still inhaling deeply, instead of, say, the more mouth vaping that some people do, I still give my lungs a good "workout" every day you might say. I'm also not smelling better like people say, although that may come in time, I don't really care that much.
It's day 17, I guess for the most part I do feel a little better every day, although I am not all better yet by any means. I haven't really seriously considering lighting up since I threw my cigarettes away almost two weeks ago, although my goal is to feel better than I did when I was smoking, and I'm at least getting fairly close to that now, but I am not there by any means. I'm looking to try WTA juice, there's no question that regular juice doesn't do it for me completely, although the methods I would now consider to get this other fix now don't include smoking. I do need something else though even if it's smokeless tobacco, that's pretty gross and a last resort but still a better choice than smoking if it ever comes to that.
So we'll see how that goes, I have a good feeling about WTA though from reading some of the experiences of others. The people who are happy now with regular juice say they can't tell the difference, and people who regular juice doesn't do it completely for them say it does help. I'm in the latter group for sure. Smoking used to relax me, vaping really doesn't, and I'm still real tense all the time, and do not feel right at all, although it's not anything I can't hack now, but getting rid of that would be good
So this really is a journey for some people, and one I never thought I'd make, but here I am and if nothing else I'm a non smoker now, which is pretty unbelievable
I still won't be flying though, the .......s don't allow PVs on flights, at least not Air Canada, but who cares. I'm pretty happy staying close to home
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Follow-up time.
Well, it's been 30 days now since I've had an analog. A few days ago, the insanity seemed to break, like a fever, and everything, my sales schtick, my enthusiasm, etc just came back to me. With a vengeance!
I'm actually MORE energetic, MORE enthusiastic, and better at what I do than I was with the analogs. I'm clearer headed. The pall that was hanging over me is gone. It seems freaky that all that time I thought that I needed the analogs just to function at work, when in truth they were actually REDUCING my effectiveness!
I've been vaping regularly, refilling my BLU 100's cartomizers with Halo Menthol Ice 24mg juice (since BLU takes WEEKS just to send a couple lousy packs of carts in an envelope. I know it's free shipping, but jeez, it used to come in just a few days; I guess I got spoiled). The vaping has been doing the trick just fine.
All in all I feel like I've made a really good move, and I'm glad I decided to finally commit to quitting. It was a rocky month, but it all turned out for the best once all traces of analogs and their influence was out of my system.
Well, it's been 30 days now since I've had an analog. A few days ago, the insanity seemed to break, like a fever, and everything, my sales schtick, my enthusiasm, etc just came back to me. With a vengeance!
I'm actually MORE energetic, MORE enthusiastic, and better at what I do than I was with the analogs. I'm clearer headed. The pall that was hanging over me is gone. It seems freaky that all that time I thought that I needed the analogs just to function at work, when in truth they were actually REDUCING my effectiveness!
I've been vaping regularly, refilling my BLU 100's cartomizers with Halo Menthol Ice 24mg juice (since BLU takes WEEKS just to send a couple lousy packs of carts in an envelope. I know it's free shipping, but jeez, it used to come in just a few days; I guess I got spoiled). The vaping has been doing the trick just fine.
All in all I feel like I've made a really good move, and I'm glad I decided to finally commit to quitting. It was a rocky month, but it all turned out for the best once all traces of analogs and their influence was out of my system.
I even never planned to switch completely to vaping, but the night I got back from work and found my new eGo kit- I haven't smoked any analog since.. And never looked back... well.. looked back a few times, but that wasn't critical and I easy switched my attention to something else, for example the good juice I've ordered.. A lot of fun.. Now I do not go out to smoke.. I vape at home and my wife loves the smell of it.. I work with smokers which I already converted 2 of ';em.. LOL.. The cig smoke smells so ugly to me.. And I have so much more choices of flavor now! And good news is- I lost 5 lb since I switched ( a month ago) to vaping.. That's was real surprise to me! Feel like a million bucks!
Oh.. Forgot to add.. I smoked European cigarettes for a long time.. Switching from American tobacco is a bit harder because of a lot of sh..t they put in it compare to Europeans.. European cigarettes content 22 TIMES!!! less chemicals than American.
Oh.. Forgot to add.. I smoked European cigarettes for a long time.. Switching from American tobacco is a bit harder because of a lot of sh..t they put in it compare to Europeans.. European cigarettes content 22 TIMES!!! less chemicals than American.
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