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I wick in the same way, but with cotton and longer wick tails, so that chamber is mostly filled with cotton, except for the channel around a coil for airflow.

Tail length can vary quite a lot with this style of wicking, I've never jumped on the Rayon band wagon either, I have some, I just never saw the advantage in it other then in the Erlkonigin which is all I used in that. Only real notable difference I've personally noticed is a few less pulls before it loses its nasty flavor compared to the ... cotton I normally use. Though I do want to order and try the Tencel which is supposed to flow much better then the typical hair stuff currently popular.
 

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I wick in the same way, but with cotton and longer wick tails, so that chamber is mostly filled with cotton, except for the channel around a coil for airflow.
Thelse remind me of the old cartomizer designs, minus the chimney build.

Basically you're filling the chamber with wick, more or less. Makes sense. There will be a lot of juice inside the chamber, very close to the coil, so as new juice is needed it's right there.

Currently, my wick is having to pull all the way from the tank, and along only a 2mm wick thickness too. It's not a long distance, but I guess it's enough to be a problem.

Since thereshe no actual wick in the chamber channels, why doesn't this leak or flood? Is the wick just folded over tight enough against the walls?
 
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Tail length can vary quite a lot with this style of wicking, I've never jumped on the Rayon band wagon either, I have some, I just never saw the advantage in it other then in the Erlkonigin which is all I used in that. Only real notable difference I've personally noticed is a few less pulls before it loses its nasty flavor compared to the ... cotton I normally use. Though I do want to order and try the Tencel which is supposed to flow much better then the typical hair stuff currently popular.

I learned with Rayon and never tried cotton. I got a box of Rayon from a beauty supply store, and I'm still using the same box. For the cost, nothing compared, so I never ordered any cotton, since I was told cotton balls are not ideal.

Is there really much of a difference? I can see a difference between say, silica and rayon, buthe rayon and cotton are so similar.
 

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Thelse remind me of the old cartomizer designs, minus the chimney build.

Basically you're filling the chamber with wick, more or less. Makes sense. There will be a lot of juice inside the chamber, very close to the coil, so as new juice is needed it's right there.

Currently, my wick is having to pull all the way from the tank, and along only a 2mm wick thickness too. It's not a long distance, but I guess it's enough to be a problem.

Since thereshe no actual wick in the chamber channels, why doesn't this leak or flood? Is the wick just folded over tight enough against the walls?
Yes, tight enough. I got advice to wick in this way in the same thread we are now, but a long time ago (it looks like the thread is almost 3 years old). Since then - no leaks at all for GT2. I started to wick with a lot of cotton my Kayfuns also (4 and 5), no leaks also (except for one clone, which keeps leaking). Serpent Mini, Subtank - also as much cotton as possible, no leaks (but I use these tanks not often).
 

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Thelse remind me of the old cartomizer designs, minus the chimney build.

Basically you're filling the chamber with wick, more or less. Makes sense. There will be a lot of juice inside the chamber, very close to the coil, so as new juice is needed it's right there.

Currently, my wick is having to pull all the way from the tank, and along only a 2mm wick thickness too. It's not a long distance, but I guess it's enough to be a problem.

Since thereshe no actual wick in the chamber channels, why doesn't this leak or flood? Is the wick just folded over tight enough against the walls?

Yes the wick inside the chamber is sort of a reservoir, surface tension along with the negative pressure in the tank only allows enough juice into the system as needed to keep it saturated.

When the wick is through those slots you have to be more precise with wicking, too much and you create a choke point, too little and it can run freely into the chamber and cause flooding.

The tails aren't really folded, you just grab the end with your tweezers and sort of push it into the chamber so that the end is against the bottom, and bend at the shoulder is sort of pushed up against the wick slot.


I learned with Rayon and never tried cotton. I got a box of Rayon from a beauty supply store, and I'm still using the same box. For the cost, nothing compared, so I never ordered any cotton, since I was told cotton balls are not ideal.

Is there really much of a difference? I can see a difference between say, silica and rayon, buthe rayon and cotton are so similar.

Yes Rayon is pretty economical, I bought three packages of ... cotton Shisedo, Muji, and KGD, I've barely put a dent in it in the couple years I've had it probably another year or two before I need to consider buying more. Have a big baggy of Rayon same thing barely used any of it.

As for the difference, main difference is Cotton expands Rayon does not, many say Rayon lasts longer has less initial taste and or shorter break in period. Not my experience.

I'm sure many factors come into play, down to the individual juice your using. For me time between rewick is about the same. I taste both, neither is a good taste, both go neutral after 5 or 6 pulls.

I don't use cotton balls, just the Japanese cotton pads, I think the main reason I prefer them is simplicity, I just cut a strip off the pad very easy to get consistency, just cut the same width. They are always the same density. Rayon isn't much more difficult, but for me cotton pads have the edge for consistency.

Here are a few more pics of the wicking, this is a Hurricane so pretty much same thing.

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Can someone suggest a coil build for my TGTII?

Currently to do 7 slighly spaced wraps of 28ga kanthal around a 2mm rod, yielding 1.5 ohms. I wick with rayon through the coil so that it barely drags, kinda squeaking and vibrating. I trim it to about 1mm sticking out of the chamber, and I soak it with 60/40 vg/pg. I vape at 3.8 volts on a Provari Mini, giving me 9.6 watts at 2.5 amps.

At the end of each day, my wick is dark and nasty, and my coil is covered in gunk. It tastes bad, and just dry burning and re-wicking doesn't give me a clean flavor, so I just change both the coil and wick each night. I'm now thinking this doesn't really qualify as a working build if I have to change it out everyday.

Everyone seems to be running much higher wattage these days, and I can't understand how. I could set mine to 5.5 volts to get 20 watts at 3.6 amps, but I have no doubt I'd scorch the wick in under an hour and it'd get nasty.

What am I doing wrong?
It's your juice. Your most likely using a juice with sweetener or a flavor that's gunking up your Coils. Your build sounds OK, as long as your wicking juice to the coil and not burning. If you are then you need to reevaluate your density of the wicking material.

But re coiling after a day of juice tells me whatever your vaping is a coil killer.
 

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I learned with Rayon and never tried cotton. I got a box of Rayon from a beauty supply store, and I'm still using the same box. For the cost, nothing compared, so I never ordered any cotton, since I was told cotton balls are not ideal.

Is there really much of a difference? I can see a difference between say, silica and rayon, buthe rayon and cotton are so similar.
I use both rayon and cotton. This is a coke or Pepsi type question imho. I feel cotton (KGD/puff/muji/Japanese organic cotton) give better flavor. Not the drug store cotton balls, the square pad Japanese organic cotton. Rayon has a different feel when wet (to me), and I feel produces a different flavor (ymmv). Rayon is not bad, just different. I personally prefer cotton. (again Japanese organic cotton, not cotton balls)
 

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@ccwaters man you are on the case! Outstanding. Very nice of you to take the time to help out a member here with questions (as always I might add). Awesome details, pictures, tutorials. Great job to all who replied to our new friend.
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Yes the wick inside the chamber is sort of a reservoir, surface tension along with the negative pressure in the tank only allows enough juice into the system as needed to keep it saturated.

When the wick is through those slots you have to be more precise with wicking, too much and you create a choke point, too little and it can run freely into the chamber and cause flooding.

The tails aren't really folded, you just grab the end with your tweezers and sort of push it into the chamber so that the end is against the bottom, and bend at the shoulder is sort of pushed up against the wick slot.




Yes Rayon is pretty economical, I bought three packages of ... cotton Shisedo, Muji, and KGD, I've barely put a dent in it in the couple years I've had it probably another year or two before I need to consider buying more. Have a big baggy of Rayon same thing barely used any of it.

As for the difference, main difference is Cotton expands Rayon does not, many say Rayon lasts longer has less initial taste and or shorter break in period. Not my experience.

I'm sure many factors come into play, down to the individual juice your using. For me time between rewick is about the same. I taste both, neither is a good taste, both go neutral after 5 or 6 pulls.

I don't use cotton balls, just the Japanese cotton pads, I think the main reason I prefer them is simplicity, I just cut a strip off the pad very easy to get consistency, just cut the same width. They are always the same density. Rayon isn't much more difficult, but for me cotton pads have the edge for consistency.

Here are a few more pics of the wicking, this is a Hurricane so pretty much same thing.

zeQHzRB.jpg

wKvOLMy.jpg

WIO7aTf.jpg

16PVx2x.jpg

83iD4H6.jpg
I wicked like this as soon as I got home, and it's vaping amazingly. Lots of vapor, great flavor, etc. It's too early to tell, but it's at the very least better. I'm anxious to see what it's like after a full day of use.

I left my coil and wattage alone. Didn't want to change too many variables at once.
 

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It's your juice. Your most likely using a juice with sweetener or a flavor that's gunking up your Coils. Your build sounds OK, as long as your wicking juice to the coil and not burning. If you are then you need to reevaluate your density of the wicking material.

But re coiling after a day of juice tells me whatever your vaping is a coil killer.

I hadn't considered that it may be the juice. This certainly isn't the sweetest juice I've had, but it is sweet. I use ITC Vape's "Heavenly Bounty". It's all I vape any more. Good stuff. I hope it isn't the cause. If I change everything else, but am still having gunk and dark wicks then I'll certainly have to try a different juice.
 

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Well 10 watts is not all that much power, it will heat up quicker.
Exactly. I do not know as much as most peeps in this thread but that is what I use to build for low watts devices. My fav build is 30gauge 6 wraps ends up about 1.4 and I vape it at 12 watts. I learned on 30 gauge (protank coils long before a Taifun)
When I change my wick it is not burnt or even brown and I vape lots of sweet sugary stuff. The coil has crap on it and I just dry burn it
For higher watts go lower gauge because it is harder to heat up and needs more watts
 
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Thanks!

I remember trying a 3mm coil about a year ago on my GTII, and if I remember I had trouble fitting it in the chamber. It touched, or almost touched the posts, and it hit the top cap. Guess I should have stuck with it and fanagled it to fit since it works for you.

I also believe more wick is better, just in general (as long as it's not too tight of course). I think it helps with both vapor production and leaks.
I have never had much luck with using anything but a blue screwdriver or next size up drill bit with my TGll's. Any time I have gone higher (3mm?) I get scorched hits. I felt that to use a bigger coil I would have to expand the wick chambers, as I have known some to do, and that is way out of the realm of what I am comfortable doing as a 'mostly" low watt vaporer
 

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New wicking, same coil build and wattage (but fresh coil), after 24 hours of use:


Believe it or not, this is a 100% improvement. My previous wicking would have looked this bad by noon. Still, this doesn't seem that great to me. I could've vaped this another day, but I think at most I'd have gotten 48 hours out of it. And this is at ~10 watts, and ~15ml of use. You can really see how dark it is on the underside.

I'm thinking a larger ID (3mm) may help? This is a 2mm coil currently. 7 wraps of 28ga Kanthal. Maybe try 30ga so the coil will cool off faster between vape? Or am I just being picky and this is 100% average after 24 hours?

Thoughts?
 

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this does not look like any of my coils even after a week.
You not being picky. I would not vape with that. You need to perfect this.
There are others way more experienced than I BUT I would clean every thing up good and start fresh. I would use 30 gauge.
I almost think you have too much wick but lets others weigh in (I use KGD) and do not have this much bulk coming out of the coil
 

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this does not look like any of my coils even after a week.
You not being picky. I would not vape with that. You need to perfect this.
There are others way more experienced than I BUT I would clean every thing up good and start fresh. I would use 30 gauge.
I almost think you have too much wick but lets others weigh in (I use KGD) and do not have this much bulk coming out of the coil

Well at least I'm not crazy and just being picky.

I really can't figure this out. I've been dealing with it a long time just assuming/hoping this was normal.

I will mention that my wick and coil looks way way better than this with the same juice in 100% VG. This is 60/40 VG/PG. I tried the VG last month, and intended to get it this month, but my order got screwed up. I plan to order 100% VG next. Why would VG vs PG effect this though?

Also, I take long pulls. The button is held down 3-4 seconds I'd guess, maybe more. It's hard to time because when I am conscious about it, I think it effects how I vape.
 
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New wicking, same coil build and wattage (but fresh coil), after 24 hours of use:


Believe it or not, this is a 100% improvement. My previous wicking would have looked this bad by noon. Still, this doesn't seem that great to me. I could've vaped this another day, but I think at most I'd have gotten 48 hours out of it. And this is at ~10 watts, and ~15ml of use. You can really see how dark it is on the underside.

I'm thinking a larger ID (3mm) may help? This is a 2mm coil currently. 7 wraps of 28ga Kanthal. Maybe try 30ga so the coil will cool off faster between vape? Or am I just being picky and this is 100% average after 24 hours?

Thoughts?
For me it does not looks as a built fault. May be your juice is too sweet? Or have sugar in it? Wick looks like gunked, not burnt. I vape very slightly flavored juice, so my wicks last for weeks. Sometimes I burn them, getting mild dry burn (when not filling a tank in time, or forgetting to open juice flow). But it's OK for me. After filling tank, slightly burnt wick works fine, may be even better than before.
 

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For me it does not looks as a built fault. May be your juice is too sweet? Or have sugar in it? Wick looks like gunked, not burnt. I vape very slightly flavored juice, so my wicks last for weeks. Sometimes I burn them, getting mild dry burn (when not filling a tank in time, or forgetting to open juice flow). But it's OK for me. After filling tank, slightly burnt wick works fine, may be even better than before.
I have no idea if it's my juice. I suppose it is slightly sweet. I didn't know some put actual sugar in it. How do you find juice that doesn't cook ifor that's what this is here?

Does anyone use a juice from ITC Vape that doesn't give them any trouble? I like them. Can't beat their prices on 240ml bottles.
 
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I have no idea if it's multiple juice. I suppose it is slightly sweet. I didn't know some put actual sugar in it. How do you find juice that doesn't cook ifor that's what this is here?

Does anyone use a juice from ITC Vape that doesn't give them any trouble? I like them. Can't beat their prices on 240ml bottles.
What is the PG/VG ratio?
 
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