Tauren and the auto-firing debacle

[escapetovape]

I hate to rain on your parade, but "every day normal use" of mech mods is possible only if you are an advanced user exactly because mech mods are for advanced users only so by saying you are not an advanced user, you are already invalidating the "every day normal use" part of that equation anyway in the first place. An advanced user does never, and especially if talking about every day normal use, leave the battery inside a mech mod excepting only after the button has been inspected by the advanced user in an equally advanced fashion as opposed to a fashion that, for reasons that are completely obvious, is incompatible with "every day normal use".

And said inspection would include testing equipment as well as setup to simulate any and all scenarios relating to any and all situations that said user might encounter and be able to recreate all those scenarios to 100% accuracy in order to prevent accidental auto-fire.

Didn't think so. So while my version of normal doesn't agree with yours, and while I could have definitely approached this differently/better and I have A LOT more to learn, and this is going in my close calls/lessons never forgotten batch, you're basically saying "know everything about your mod without replicating any situation that your mod would be in" which is contradictory/paradoxical.

 

[untar]

"every day normal use" of mech mods is possible only if you are an advanced user exactly because mech mods are for advanced users only

That may be a nice idea in theory, but that's not the real world. Why? Because all a human needs to get a mech is the money it costs. There's no mech driving license. There is no mandatory forum read. There's no test to determine if the user is advanced enough. So that cannot be the definition of normal everyday use. What does "normal" mean then?
Take all mech users on earth and look at what they're doing on average. Are all of them inspecting their mech, disassembling it and pondering over every single instance things could go wrong? Certainly not. I'm not debating if they should I'm saying they simply don't, even that probably the majority of them don't.
So a manufacturer has to build a device that satisfies that real world definition of normal use. If they don't then they designed their device wrong and failed.

Which is exactly what the FDA and CPSC will find and formulate their regulations around it, and if there's enough concern prohibit imports and sales of such devices. The less headlines with blown off testicles there are the better and manufacturers have a part in that. Not saying an adult vaper isn't responsible for their actions, just that mech design isn't a free for all let's stop the testing already I need a new beemer get that thing in the shops.

 

[escapetovape]

Even if it is a design flaw (it is), it is still up to the user to always figure that out before the description of "everyday fashion" can start to apply. Lest you are willing to accept the risk of personal injury.

You realise that by this post you're contradicting yourself?

You need to figure out the design flaws before everyday use can apply, yet you may not figure out the design flaws UNTIL you use it in the everyday fashion.

 

[dripster]

That may be a nice idea in theory, but that's not the real world. Why? Because all a human needs to get a mech is the money it costs. There's no mech driving license. There is no mandatory forum read. There's no test to determine if the user is advanced enough. So that cannot be the definition of normal everyday use. What does "normal" mean then?
Take all mech users on earth and look at what they're doing on average. Are all of them inspecting their mech, disassembling it and pondering over every single instance things could go wrong? Certainly not. I'm not debating if they should I'm saying they simply don't, even that probably the majority of them don't.
So a manufacturer has to build a device that satisfies that real world definition of normal use. If they don't then they designed their device wrong and failed.

Which is exactly what the FDA and CPSC will find and formulate their regulations around it, and if there's enough concern prohibit imports and sales of such devices. The less headlines with blown off testicles there are the better and manufacturers have a part in that. Not saying an adult vaper isn't responsible for their actions, just that mech design isn't a free for all let's stop the testing already I need a new beemer get that thing in the shops.

Normally it means that, even if you're driving the type of car that doesn't require you to get a driver's licence, then you still normally understand the normal reason why you need to visually inspect your tires before climbing behind the wheel. That's the most normal explanation of "normal" I can give normally.

 

[dripster]

You realise that by this post you're contradicting yourself?

You need to figure out the design flaws before everyday use can apply, yet you may not figure out the design flaws UNTIL you use it in the everyday fashion.

Advanced users don't assume every day use until they have sufficiently familiarized themselves with the mechanics. What that means is, they're better safe than sorry so they don't keep the battery in there like you did putting the mod in their pocket complaining they couldn't vape for the rest of the day denying they shouldn't use kitchen knives because they didn't sufficiently familiarize themselves with the mechanics of kitchen knives.

 

[escapetovape]

Advanced users don't assume every day use until they have sufficiently familiarized themselves with the mechanics. What that means is, they're better safe than sorry so they don't keep the battery in there like you did putting the mod in their pocket complaining they couldn't vape for the rest of the day denying they shouldn't use kitchen knives because they didn't sufficiently familiarize themselves with the mechanics of kitchen knives.

Right, and to achieve that level of knowledge at some point you're going to have to undertake some form of risk to find that out unless it's been documented elsewhere. In this instance it went badly, and unless something like this is a regular occurrence I see no reason that an advanced user is immune to things like this.

 

[Zaryk]

Wow, this went south quickly...

Skill level aside, one member found a potentially hazardous issue, another member verified it on a second unit. There does seem to be a repeatable issue with the mod in question. Brining it to the attention of others is the point of this thread, and keeping this thread open could be beneficial to others. Both sides made valid points, maybe it's time to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[dripster]

Right, and to achieve that level of knowledge at some point you're going to have to undertake some form of risk to find that out unless it's been documented elsewhere. In this instance it went badly, and unless something like this is a regular occurrence I see no reason that an advanced user is immune to things like this.

If you are unwilling to undertake some form of risk, then you shouldn't even be vaping. One thing that separates advanced users from new vapers is knowledge of the fact that, despite full immunity to things like this is not possible, there are a few basic rules to keep in mind, like, after only a few days of being new to the mech in question, don't go assuming things putting the mech in your pocket with the battery still in it. (Even, if you aren't new to mechs in general, and especially if you aren't new to mechs in general, as not being new to them is perfectly synonymous to understanding the reason why that is a necessity.)

 

[dripster]

Wow, this went south quickly...

Skill level aside, one member found a potentially hazardous issue, another member verified it on a second unit. There does seem to be a repeatable issue with the mod in question. Brining it to the attention of others is the point of this thread, and keeping this thread open could be beneficial to others. Both sides made valid points, maybe it's time to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Part of the reason this went south quickly is because the design flaw has already been brought to people's attention in two other threads each one of which has been closed. I get that there's a design flaw, but what I still don't get is why a normal person, or person who claims to be normal, would put a mech in his/her pocket with the battery still inside, without first familiarizing him/herself with the mechanics of ANY mech.

 

[Zaryk]

Part of the reason this went south quickly is because the design flaw has already been brought to people's attention in two other threads each one of which has been closed. I get that there's a design flaw, but what I still don't get is why a normal person, or person who claims to be normal, would put a mech in his/her pocket with the battery still inside, without first familiarizing him/herself with the mechanics of ANY mech.

You've made that point, and made it clear where you stand on it. It happened, I don't think anyone will be able to give you an answer you would be satisfied with. While I also disagree with anyone putting a live mech in a pocket, there really isn't anything we can do. People do what they want, you have already said it is an ill advised practice, that's really all that can be done.

 

[dripster]

You've made that point, and made it clear where you stand on it. It happened, I don't think anyone will be able to give you an answer you would be satisfied with. While I also disagree with anyone putting a live mech in a pocket, there really isn't anything we can do. People do what they want, you have already said it is an ill advised practice, that's really all that can be done.

I'm afraid you misunderstood my point. I don't think putting a live mech in a pocket is an ill advised practice, and in fact I do that all the time because I consider that to be a normal part of my every day normal use, but the key difference is that I went through the necessary steps to educate myself, properly, about the associated mechanics, BEFORE I started to consider that to be a normal part of my every day normal use instead of only AFTER that so my point is people who don't understand this key difference should stay as far away from both mechs and me as they possibly can, preferably farther.

 

[billthetroll]

If you rained then I hate to poor.it's a "battery tube"that's how it's ship that that's how it's sold.all because they put a disclaimer on it via and not limited to......manufacturer,seller reviewer or buyer *****{for advanced users only}*****dont legally or verbally cover nothing.that being said i can make a product and sell it and tell people "now this is for advanced users" that Don't mean that product is flawed.a car is for advanced used but they do come flawed..........alot that's why we have recalls all the time.this user was awake at the time this device auto fired.You're 100% right it's a mec "mod" a mechanical "modification" device.been using these since they was flashlights when we had to make a lot of our own stuff for them.but this device obviously has a design flaw that needs to be looked into and fast before someone manly a "advanced user" gets hurt.not to mention this guy just got this device.omg....lol it's new

 

[billthetroll]

Everytime we use a mec mod we're shorting out the battery, yes it is a controlled short but we're still not using it as recommended by the manufacturer.a battery is a simple thing to use but obviously all of us don't know how to use it right if you want to look at all this so black & white.to say someone isn't an "advanced user" just from seeing what he's wrote a couple times is kinda harsh.I don't take batterys out my mods when I sleep.I hold it in my hand alot of the time lay it on my stomach and read.all this reminds me of the cherry bomber(God I loved that mod)best mod I ever used but very i mean VERY!!!!!! Flawed you had to know how to use it or she's blow you up.we all knew how that mod was,you touch metal to it , it auto fired.I would never let or tell a noob to use it.but this mod isn't that.alot of people good smart people can use this even "advanced users" and this can happen.touching metal to a box mod and it auto firing because of a design flaw and a tube mod that auto fires when you turn it isn't the same thing to me.mcm or was it mcv that made the cherry bomber?came out and told people "now this mod is great and hits harder then any other mod, voltage drop is almost nothing.........but to do this it auto fires when you touch metal and cost 400$ OK FOLKS GOOD NIGHT!!!! Lol I'd love to have been there for that press conference

 

[Ben85]

So 3 threads later, including a 2 page argument, we have established there is a design flaw with this mod - so owners need to be aware.

Simples.

 

[billthetroll]

So 3 threads later, including a 2 page argument, we have established there is a design flaw with this mod - so owners need to be aware.

Simples.

you're 100% right all this isn't needed as I stated like one page back in the beginning, all he needs to do is contact the seller or the main company and he'll get a new switch or even his money back and they'll change the button(hopefuly contact owners which we know they won't they'll just make people but new ones)and that's that.

 

[escapetovape]

you're 100% right all this isn't needed as I stated like one page back in the beginning, all he needs to do is contact the seller or the main company and he'll get a new switch or even his money back and they'll change the button(hopefuly contact owners which we know they won't they'll just make people but new ones)and that's that.

Just an update - I contacted them and made them aware, they gave me a full refund which I put towards something else in their store. They were unbelievably helpful with this and appreciated the feedback.

 

[dripster]

If you rained then I hate to poor.it's a "battery tube"that's how it's ship that that's how it's sold.all because they put a disclaimer on it via and not limited to......manufacturer,seller reviewer or buyer *****{for advanced users only}*****dont legally or verbally cover nothing.that being said i can make a product and sell it and tell people "now this is for advanced users" that Don't mean that product is flawed.a car is for advanced used but they do come flawed..........alot that's why we have recalls all the time.this user was awake at the time this device auto fired.You're 100% right it's a mec "mod" a mechanical "modification" device.been using these since they was flashlights when we had to make a lot of our own stuff for them.but this device obviously has a design flaw that needs to be looked into and fast before someone manly a "advanced user" gets hurt.not to mention this guy just got this device.omg....lol it's new

I wasn't talking about the legal or verbal interpretations. Just the pure common sense part that allows normal people to normally know beforehand the normal fact that kitchen knives should not be used by those who are naturally inclined to get themselves hurt or their cotton burned with normally dangerous objects that they don't know how to use regardless of whether these objects are normally sharp, abnormally flawed, or normally sharp in addition to being abnormally flawed.

 

[billthetroll]

I wasn't talking about the legal or verbal interpretations. Just the pure common sense part that allows normal people to normally know beforehand the normal fact that kitchen knives should not be used by those who are naturally inclined to get themselves hurt or their cotton burned with normally dangerous objects that they don't know how to use regardless of whether these objects are normally sharp, abnormally flawed, or normally sharp in addition to being abnormally flawed.

Understandable, I get that.

 

[dripster]

Everytime we use a mec mod we're shorting out the battery, yes it is a controlled short but we're still not using it as recommended by the manufacturer.a battery is a simple thing to use but obviously all of us don't know how to use it right if you want to look at all this so black & white.to say someone isn't an "advanced user" just from seeing what he's wrote a couple times is kinda harsh.I don't take batterys out my mods when I sleep.I hold it in my hand alot of the time lay it on my stomach and read.all this reminds me of the cherry bomber(God I loved that mod)best mod I ever used but very i mean VERY!!!!!! Flawed you had to know how to use it or she's blow you up.we all knew how that mod was,you touch metal to it , it auto fired.I would never let or tell a noob to use it.but this mod isn't that.alot of people good smart people can use this even "advanced users" and this can happen.touching metal to a box mod and it auto firing because of a design flaw and a tube mod that auto fires when you turn it isn't the same thing to me.mcm or was it mcv that made the cherry bomber?came out and told people "now this mod is great and hits harder then any other mod, voltage drop is almost nothing.........but to do this it auto fires when you touch metal and cost 400$ OK FOLKS GOOD NIGHT!!!! Lol I'd love to have been there for that press conference

He claimed that what he did was everyday normal use. So basically he was being harsh to those who know how to use kitchen knives.

 

[billthetroll]

He claimed that what he did was everyday normal use. So basically he was being harsh to those who know how to use kitchen knives.

See I didn't really read that from what he said but like the other guy said.this just need a to end,the point of the thread has been derailed, what could have been information for someone looking to buy this mec has turned into whatever this is.