Temp Control Mods?

[H3artl3ss696]

Opinion of Temp Control mods? Probably not a new topic, but still, I'm curious. What does everyone think of them? I just ordered mine a few days back and waiting for my nickel wire to come in. Those of you who do own one, how's it treating you?


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[sofarsogood]

After going back and forth for a couple of months I prefer temperature control. I'm willing to use watts control when battery efficiency is paramount.

 

[edyle]

Opinion of Temp Control mods? Probably not a new topic, but still, I'm curious. What does everyone think of them? I just ordered mine a few days back and waiting for my nickel wire to come in. Those of you who do own one, how's it treating you?


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I consider the current generation of TC mods to be like a beta/prototype, because the resistances being used are too low for practical use in the consumer market.

I'm looking forward to the day when TC gets implemented with either any wire, or perhaps a special wire of higher resistance.
I suspect we'll end up with something like a nickel/iron/aluminium alloy.

 

[crxess]

We have a whole sub-forum full of opinions and TC Users.

Visit us.

 

[dbrandt01]

Sigelei 75w is my first TC Mod. Nice mod, TC seems useless for how I like to vape now. I probably won't be keeping it for much longer. I keep grabbing my hexohm and RDA more. Even at 55w and 520f it's good, but not great. I've tried to like it, I really did, but it lacks the power I enjoy with vaping.

 

[GeorgeS]

You know there is a complete sub-forum on TC APV's?

I've only had experience with regulated: voltage, wattage and now temperature mods. So what do I think of the latest craze?

I'm used to taking long, slow draws on my APV. On a VV/VW device I may need to wait a while before hitting it and while drawing the heat/temperature and amount of vapor will increase. Almost all my experience with VV/VW came with using Aspire Maxi, K1 and Nautilus tanks. When "dialed in" the setups worked well however I tossed more adamizers than I care to admit because of burnt taste or clogged coils.

I started trying TC mods/setups when I got tired of replacing store bought coils. I made the switch to RTA's at the same time as switching to TC as the NI coils at the time cost a large premium over Kanthal coils and DIY seemed the way to go.

Three out of 4 of my TC mods apply extra power to ramp up to my set temperature. In 2 of 3 the power is adjustable. This basically means I can have instant flavor+vapor production, take nice slow and long draws and as long as the juice supply and wicking hold up and are up to the task, the experience is the same start to finish.

My coils will still "gunk up" however I don't believe as quickly as they did on VV/VW as the heat is less. I use much more juice than I did with my VV/VW setups. Battery life is about the same.

The last 4 mods I've purchased are TC enabled and while VW mode is available on all of them, I've not used them in VW mode other than testing newly built coils. So yes, I guess I'm sold on the TC thing.

 

[Completely Average]

I consider the current generation of TC mods to be like a beta/prototype, because the resistances being used are too low for practical use in the consumer market.

Umm, why do you think that? Since these mods are controlled by temperature what difference does the coil resistance make? 450F is 450F, it doesn't matter if it's a .02 or 2.0 ohm coil.

Why is my Nautilus with TC coils not practical for the consumer market? Why is it any less practical than the same Nautilus tank using kanthal?


Why is this practical...

But this is not practical...

 

[edyle]

Umm, why do you think that? Since these mods are controlled by temperature what difference does the coil resistance make? 450F is 450F, it doesn't matter if it's a .02 or 2.0 ohm coil.

A 0.02 ohm coil is not practical if your mod has contact resistance that varies from day to day between 0.05 to 0.15 ohms on good days, and more on bad days.

 

[vapo jam]

just a disclaimer - I almost exclusively use rebuildable tanks.

I think temp control is great. For me, the improvement in flavor was immediately noticeable. But... with a nickel coil, I've found it very difficult to replace the cotton and clean without messing it up, so I've since gone back to kanthal for the convenience.

 

[mooreted]

Well, I don't have much experience. I just got my Evic VT yesterday, but I"m totally blown away. It makes my MVP 2.0 look so weak. I can adjust it for the heat and air I want. The taste is as pure as dripping. I can use lower nic and not get cravings. For me, at least, it's the best thing I have ever bought. I don't do my own coils though.


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[coolerat]

Opinion of Temp Control Mods? Probably not a new topic, but still, I'm curious. What does everyone think of them? I just ordered mine a few days back and waiting for my nickel wire to come in. Those of you who do own one, how's it treating you?


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I've got a couple of them, frankly I'm not sold just yet.

In fact my most recent mod purchase is non-TC.

Its ok. I have a dual nickel coil build on a Derringer thats out of this world. A Lemo 2 nickel that ok. A few store bought coil nickel tanks. And I don't hate it.

But I can get good results with Kanthal as well and its easier to work with. With store bought coils nickel costs the same and works pretty well.

I will say this, of all my TC mods the little iStick gives the best vape. Eleaf is on the right path.

 

[bluecat]

I bought a vt 40 a couple weeks ago. I haven't built a nickel coil yet because the kanthal builds are great on it. I am also afraid I will grab the nickel atty and put it on one of my other devices out of stupidity.

I may try this weekend but fiddling with nickel wire after reading about how frustrating it is doesn't make me want to try.

 

[H3artl3ss696]

Ah...so in other words, my Clapton coil is going to be a pain in the .... to build with the nickel wire...time to figure out how the heck I'm gonna do it.


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[Completely Average]

A 0.02 ohm coil is not practical if your mod has contact resistance that varies from day to day between 0.05 to 0.15 ohms on good days, and more on bad days.

And you can of course demonstrate this variance on a temperature control mod, right? You can show me a real world example of this making the temperature control mod malfunction, correct?


Because quite frankly I'm not buying it. I use a Nautilus with a temperature control coil every day. From personal experience having actually used one I see absolutely ZERO difference between the way it works and the way the exact same tank works with a kanthal coil.

It's the exact same tank either way. The coils look identical except for the color of the silicon o-ring. The coils screw in the same way, the tank is filled the same, from the user perspective there is absolutely no difference between using the tank with a kanthal coil and using it with a nickel coil. The ONLY differences I've found is that the nickel coil has a cleaner taste, I never get dry hits under any circumstances, and my coils last longer. How exactly does that make it "impractical" for me or anyone else?

And please keep in mind that we're talking about the CONSUMER MARKET (Your own words) which would mean prebuilt coils provided by the manufacturer that you can buy in stores. Why are they not practical? I don't recall any manufacturer providing .02 ohm coils. Could you name a few that do?

 

[edyle]

Umm, why do you think that? Since these mods are controlled by temperature what difference does the coil resistance make? 450F is 450F, it doesn't matter if it's a .02 or 2.0 ohm coil.

A 0.02 ohm coil is not practical if your mod has contact resistance that varies from day to day between 0.05 to 0.15 ohms on good days, and more on bad days.

And please keep in mind that we're talking about the CONSUMER MARKET (Your own words) which would mean prebuilt coils provided by the manufacturer that you can buy in stores. Why are they not practical? I don't recall any manufacturer providing .02 ohm coils. Could you name a few that do?

You said "it doesn't matter if it's a 0.2 or 2.0 ohm coil.
I tried to explain why a 0.02 ohm coil is not practical.

So to your apparent question : "I don't recall any manufacturer providing 0.02 ohm coils. Could you name a few that do?"
The answer is no, I can't and I wouldn't expect anybody to do so, because as I said, it would not be practical to use.
You are the one who brought up a 0.02 ohm coil, so it's for you to show that somebody can use such in a practical way.

 

[crxess]

I bought a vt 40 a couple weeks ago. I haven't built a nickel coil yet because the kanthal builds are great on it. I am also afraid I will grab the nickel atty and put it on one of my other devices out of stupidity.

I may try this weekend but fiddling with nickel wire after reading about how frustrating it is doesn't make me want to try.

Nailed my Ni200 Dual coils on the first try.
Vaping my Orchid on the SX Mini M is a excellent experience.
IPV-D2 almost matches it.

 

[Mazinny]

I consider the current generation of TC mods to be like a beta/prototype, because the resistances being used are too low for practical use in the consumer market.

I'm looking forward to the day when TC gets implemented with either any wire, or perhaps a special wire of higher resistance.
I suspect we'll end up with something like a nickel/iron/aluminium alloy.

That day may be sooner than you think. Innokin has already come out with the prototype ( apparently they use an actual temperature sensor rather than using the change in resistance in Nickel coils ) :

We proudly introduce the new Disrupter°TC, the newly styled curved InnokinCell and the new ATC-Atlas Innokin Advanced Temperature Control System!

The new Innokin ATC System uses a revolutionary new temperature control technology which is very easy to use and accurately maintains the set temperature within 5° for as long as you vape! No Dry Hits, No Burning and No Limits!

This new Innokin ATC System can use Kanthal and other standard coil wire types and is totally different from current temperature control technologies. If you are at ECC2015 please drop by the Innokin booth in building 9 Booth #1414 and say Hi to George, Mike and the team and try out the new Disrupter°TC, ATC-Atlas and the new iSub-Apex for yourself!

If you have any questions or feedback please post them as we would love to hear them! Thank you!

Here is a High-res photo of the Disrupter°TC poster that we have on display at ECC2015.

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