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I don’t know what exactly is banned, I can tell you that “natural” flavorings are a concept based on a peculiarity of USA law about the official technical definition of the word natural that may not apply outside of the US.
Basically natural flavorings don’t actually exist. They only appear to due to a peculiarity of the way “natural” is defined in US law. There are a very few exceptions such as where, say, orange oil actually tastes like oranges, but for the vast majority of flavorings the “natural” version is the exact same chemical used in the artificial flavoring, but merely obtained from an organic source which may or may not (usually not) have anything at all to do with the original food being mimicked.
Basically natural flavorings don’t actually exist. They only appear to due to a peculiarity of the way “natural” is defined in US law. There are a very few exceptions such as where, say, orange oil actually tastes like oranges, but for the vast majority of flavorings the “natural” version is the exact same chemical used in the artificial flavoring, but merely obtained from an organic source which may or may not (usually not) have anything at all to do with the original food being mimicked.
If your post was dealing with the topic of "natural" products, that can be considered drug related, then yes it will be banned... even if it is not psychoactive. You might want to read the forum rules to see what is/isn't permitted (other things can also get a thread deleted). You also can read Why we don't allow drug talk (if applicable).
I hope that helps.
I hope that helps.
the post was about making summer juice using terpenesIf your post was dealing with the topic of "natural" products, that can be considered drug related, then yes it will be banned... even if it is not psychoactive. You might want to read the forum rules to see what is/isn't permitted (other things can also get a thread deleted). You also can read Why we don't allow drug talk (if applicable).
I hope that helps.
can't see anything in the rules checked x2
I'm i missing something
"considered drug related" air and water could be technically drug related
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Since terpenes can be derived from a plant that is not allowed to be discussed here (threads about C B D, usually hemp, have been deleted as well), that's probably why.
madness
water can be taken from that plant
ban the talk of water ??
are we allowed to say i had a orange today for snack because the same flavour profile init that can be found in a plant that is banned in some places
you Americans are nutty as hell
we would be better have a list of words we are allowed to use when signing in and a reminder popup when we try to add a thread or reply
looks like im of to find a better forum
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The forum is founded and rules made by a Brit.
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a British person that was no doubt advised by a American lawyer that hasn't a clue about vaping or flavours
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@mac-nutty, since you got a PM, I would suggest (politely) replying to the same PM; and ask the admin/moderator for further clarification.
Since we can't ask you to re-post the deleted content; we are all just grasping at straws.
Since we can't ask you to re-post the deleted content; we are all just grasping at straws.
what are you talking about
terpenes are derived from every plant!!!!!!!
thay are just flavours in a more pure form,
being taken from one plant to the next doesn't change that flavours profile it is the same no matter what it as taken from
just because one plant has them too and that plant is banned in some places does this means we can't talk about making ejuice from these flavours
do we now have to look into what flavours we use to make our ejuice to make sure we are not posting about making juice with a terpine made flavouring.
terpines are just pure forms of flavour without a carrier liquid
or is it ok for us to use and post flavours from company's like inw, tpa etc because they are in a carrier liquid(ie less pure form) and are mixed with other synthetic flavours ???
hopefully everyone can see the madness about the terpines talk ban a little clearer now
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ironic isn't it that a ecig forum can talk about TOBBACCO plant extracted and not citrus etc
WTF
what do u think is in the fruit flavourings we buy
pmsl
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Terpene - Wikipedia
Wikipedia says not all plants even. Mostly conifers and some insects.
This sounds like the whole “natural flavoring” thing.
A more complete explanation:
To get a flavoring you have to go down to the molecular level. At that level the place from which a molecule was derived or it’s method of forming ceases to matter. As a result “natural flavorings” are generally easier to derive from things that they don’t “naturally” come from, and on a commercial basis generally are. Digging a given terpenoid out of, say, some exotic tropical tree bark instead of the fruit the flavoring mimics is easier, and technically still “natural” so that is where it comes from because capitalism. Even if the terpenoid is derived from the actual food the flavoring is designed to mimic, which no one generally does because the cost is astronomical, it’s still the exact same molecule as that gotten from, say, petrochemical waste, at far lower cost. This whole thing is so prevalent that “natural flavorings” are generally created as imitations of artificial flavorings using “naturally sourced” chemicals to acquire the “natural flavoring” label. They’re just a whole lot more expensive without any actual difference from the artificial one.
Natural flavorings are therefore effectively fake. They don’t DO anything except cost more.
Wikipedia says not all plants even. Mostly conifers and some insects.
This sounds like the whole “natural flavoring” thing.
A more complete explanation:
To get a flavoring you have to go down to the molecular level. At that level the place from which a molecule was derived or it’s method of forming ceases to matter. As a result “natural flavorings” are generally easier to derive from things that they don’t “naturally” come from, and on a commercial basis generally are. Digging a given terpenoid out of, say, some exotic tropical tree bark instead of the fruit the flavoring mimics is easier, and technically still “natural” so that is where it comes from because capitalism. Even if the terpenoid is derived from the actual food the flavoring is designed to mimic, which no one generally does because the cost is astronomical, it’s still the exact same molecule as that gotten from, say, petrochemical waste, at far lower cost. This whole thing is so prevalent that “natural flavorings” are generally created as imitations of artificial flavorings using “naturally sourced” chemicals to acquire the “natural flavoring” label. They’re just a whole lot more expensive without any actual difference from the artificial one.
Natural flavorings are therefore effectively fake. They don’t DO anything except cost more.
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I remember reading the thread posts, before it got pulled. IIRC, there were a couple of ____ used in it, instead of a word. Another member even said that he/she "got it"...as to what terpenes you were probably talking about, , without mentioning them and using a blank instead. Pretty sure that was probably seen as trying to evade ECF filters. But, that's just a guess based on what I'd read.
, without mentioning them and using a blank instead. Pretty sure that was probably seen as trying to evade ECF filters. But, that's just a guess based on what I'd read.
Accepted.apologies, i was on a ranting spree
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