I was wondering a way to test flavors (economically) in a way I use my final mix. My final mixes are all 50PG/50VG. My nic (48mg/L) does not change flavor much (negligible) so I don't test with that. I just need to know how to go about testing to get a flavor percentage right to use in mixes.
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Just another note. The ways I have seen on here aren't explained very well. Well, at least for me. They don't explain how to use this test in a multiple mix use. I just see single flavor percentages. I know that you have to know the flavor of a single flavor to use it in a mix, but what if you have a recipe that calls for say 5 flavors. I have mixed a recipe with my base plus flavors and came up with something that tastes like camel urine and some come out tasting alright only to fade as they sit. The only tests I have seen quote using a flavor of say 10 percent. If you use all flavors at 10 percent (because that is where you taste them individually) then a 5 flavor mix will be 50 percent or more and that will be too much and blow out flavor leaving the juice tasting awful.
I just put a few drops in the atty I intend to use and see how it tastes.
The nic base itself may not impart much flavor, BUT the dilution of adding it to the mix will. When am not sure I mix up some unflavored juice. Then add flavors and base 1%or2% at a time till I get something I want........ Now after mixing I will age the juice, others will steep it. The aging or steeping may make a bad juice good and a good juice can go bad. Also , using the full 10% when mixing multiple juices can be problematic. As most of the juices I make are total of 10-25% flavoring. This mean if I were using 5 flavors they may be only 2or3% of each. Or maybe 10-15 of 1 and the balance of the 10-25% split between the rest.
The nic base itself may not impart much flavor, BUT the dilution of adding it to the mix will. When am not sure I mix up some unflavored juice. Then add flavors and base 1%or2% at a time till I get something I want........ Now after mixing I will age the juice, others will steep it. The aging or steeping may make a bad juice good and a good juice can go bad. Also , using the full 10% when mixing multiple juices can be problematic. As most of the juices I make are total of 10-25% flavoring. This mean if I were using 5 flavors they may be only 2or3% of each. Or maybe 10-15 of 1 and the balance of the 10-25% split between the rest.
Look on the tfa thread about 100 drop test. Each drop is a percentage point of the recipe ( obviously like bottles is important). Uses very little material to come up with a test batch to try, tweak, and mix more of when happy with the results.
I saw that. I don't think it takes into effect multiple flavor mixes. It does for single flavor percentages. I'm not good with math.
It's always best to try a new flavor by itself so you get a feel for it. Mix it up with PG/VG at 5% (in a 10 ml batch, 5% is 0,5 ml), then add more or thin it if needed. You can mix this mixture together with other mixtures to create new flavors. Unfortunately, there is going to be math involved no matter how you mix, but there are lots of juice calculators out there that do the math for you. Make sure you keep notes of what worked, and what didn't.
Drip into a regular 510 atomizer or small rebuildable for testing flavors.
I make each flavor individually at the appropriate % and then use them to make multi-flavored mixes. To recreate from scratch just calculate the % used as a single by the % used in the multi.
example: 15% as a single flavor used at 25% in multi would be 15 x .25 = 3.75% from scratch.
I make each flavor individually at the appropriate % and then use them to make multi-flavored mixes. To recreate from scratch just calculate the % used as a single by the % used in the multi.
example: 15% as a single flavor used at 25% in multi would be 15 x .25 = 3.75% from scratch.
One thing to note is just because when mixed by itself a flavor calls for 10%. Does not mean you will maintain that 10% when mixed with other flavors. Sometimes that 10% refers to the total amount of flavorings vs a specific flavors.
I have a couple that by themselves, they are best at 20-25%........ But when mixed with other flavors, they become overpowering above 10%. Now why in a mix, a flavor would seem stronger at lower percentage IDK.
I have a couple that by themselves, they are best at 20-25%........ But when mixed with other flavors, they become overpowering above 10%. Now why in a mix, a flavor would seem stronger at lower percentage IDK.
I must be dumb because none of that makes sense...thanks everyone...I'll just use ejuicemeup to calculate ml, but that still doesnt give me percentages...I have to know them beforehand.
Sure it does.
If something was
12% flavor x
7% flavor y
1% flavor z
12 drops flavor x
7 drops flavor y
1 drop flavor z
and 80 drops base depending on pg vg ratio
I thought the 100dt was for finding what percentage of a single flavor tastes good to you and not for applying to a recipe. This is what I can't wrap my head around...how does one take say a flavor that tastes good to you at 12 percent and convert that to a multiple mix with other flavors? And how would the 100dt come into play? Not really understanding this and can't really go back to store bought because I don't make that kind of money.
All the calculator does is the MATH. YOU have to do the deciding and thinking. It is called TRIAL and ERROR or experimentation. Mix it, try it, decide, adjust. look at some of the recipe site and threads, try some, and adjust to your taste.
Yep...gotta dedicate time to it I guess...something else I'm short on...lol...anywho....thanks everyone.
Think of it another way...
If I have X at 10% and Y at 10% as single flavoring mixes and I mix equal amounts of each into a bottle, I have 5% of flavorings X and Y now.
There are 2 factors with multiple flavoring mixes, total flavoring % and ratio of each flavoring in the total. That's how I think of it and why I like Scubabatdan's calculator as it approaches mixing the same way. So I have recipes with 12% total flavoring with 75% of X and 25% of Y. (most on here would call that 3% of Y and 9% of X, but that glosses over the total flavoring % have one impact on taste and the ratio of the individual flavorings having a completely different impact on taste.)
If I have X at 10% and Y at 10% as single flavoring mixes and I mix equal amounts of each into a bottle, I have 5% of flavorings X and Y now.
There are 2 factors with multiple flavoring mixes, total flavoring % and ratio of each flavoring in the total. That's how I think of it and why I like Scubabatdan's calculator as it approaches mixing the same way. So I have recipes with 12% total flavoring with 75% of X and 25% of Y. (most on here would call that 3% of Y and 9% of X, but that glosses over the total flavoring % have one impact on taste and the ratio of the individual flavorings having a completely different impact on taste.)
I guess I have to think of it as 30 mls (that's what I mix) as 100...so if like a sinle flavor at 18% and another at 25% then I would have to do the math (of which I don't know) to come up with their percentages in a multiple mix. Right?
Goodness man, I don't think you are grasping the entire concept.
Unless you are following some one elses recipe, then the percentages are up to you. What taste good to you. When you blend more than one flavor they are going to taste different then they did originally. Your total flavor percentage should be not greater than around 25% (and probably less) that would mean say 8% vanilla 4% strawberry for a total of 12% for total flavoring. What exact percentages of each are up to you and your taste buds.
Use a calculator!
Unless you are following some one elses recipe, then the percentages are up to you. What taste good to you. When you blend more than one flavor they are going to taste different then they did originally. Your total flavor percentage should be not greater than around 25% (and probably less) that would mean say 8% vanilla 4% strawberry for a total of 12% for total flavoring. What exact percentages of each are up to you and your taste buds.
Use a calculator!
To answer the testing question, I use an older Cisco style 510 atty. You know the ones we used to use for dripping before RDA's took off with the high wattage craze. I tried to link where to get them but if you just search 510 dripper cisco, you'll come up with one for sure.
I don't know how much time you guys have in hand...say I want to make a blueberry melon...do you know how many combinations percentage wise your have to go through? millions...that's why I'm asking and a calculator is no good if you don't know the percentage to go in....it doesn't know what tastes good...I understand that I have to find a percentage I like....that is why it makes no sense of I like a flavor at 25% and another at 20%...that's 45% flavor and way too much...see what I'm saying or am I just not explaining it right.
Your explaining it properly and we are answering it. You just don't like the answer. The answer is YOU have to figure it out. We can't tell you what will taste good to you. Yes there are a lot of combinations. You don't need to try every one of them but you have to experiment on your own. If it was easy, every one would do it. Your not even telling us actual flavors or manufacturers that you want to mix, how can we possibly recommend percentages for you.
I really think if you want to do this you will be much better off finding one or two recipes that look good to you and buying flavors specifically for that recipe. That will start to give you an idea of how flavors go together.
I really think if you want to do this you will be much better off finding one or two recipes that look good to you and buying flavors specifically for that recipe. That will start to give you an idea of how flavors go together.
Gotcha...all I wanted was a math to use, but I'm stuck wasting time and everyone's here time...thank you guys for commenting....might have to give this up and go back to analogs....much easier on the brain.
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