The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

[banjo]

Just thought that since we now have a thread that labels juice suppliers by the standards established and outlined by this group, that we should have a special meeting room where they can all get together in one place, and reinforce each other with their fears and frustrations, while keeping them away from those of us who dare to question some of their assumptions - which almost immediately elicits personal attacks and innuendo about our motives. And, after they manage to destroy the businesses of suppliers who did not meet their dubious standards, those suppliers will know where to send their lawyers to find them.

We all want safe juice provided by suppliers who have the safety of their customers first and foremost in their business practices, and we all would like to know what chemicals are in their juices, but this group, after reading a couple of summaries of studies conducted on mice and workers in a popcorn factory, or just reading the rants of others, have decided that they now have enough knowledge to set the standards of our juice suppliers, and create and publish lists of those who do, or do not meet their standards.

 

[SimpleSins]

I know, Banjo. Truthiness is a much better concept than facts, huh? I can't believe some of these people are so ignorant that they would let science get in the way of their feel-good. Lame.

 

[banjo]

When I created this thread, I made a list of the 3 people who would be the first to respond negatively or sarcastically - one down 2 to go.

 

[SimpleSins]

And, after they manage to destroy the businesses of suppliers who did not meet their dubious standards, those suppliers will know where to send their lawyers to find them.

A little curious where you got your law degree Banjo. My years of watching LA Law, Law & Order, and Judge Judy seem to leads me to believe that if I have a web site showing that a vendor uses exclusively a flavoring agent known to contain diacetyl, and a thread on a vendor's forum posted under the vendor's ID stating that they know that they have diacetyl but don't feel it's a big deal. And say someone had the foresight to take screen shots of these and email them to confirm date and time. And so if someone did point out that yes, Vendor X does use diacetyl, and people stopped using Vendor X because they had no desire to inhale anything as unnecessarily damaging as that.

Now what exactly would the lawyers be basing their case on? And I wonder if Vendor X should be worried about their former customers getting together to file a class action suit because of Vendor X's willful negligence in using diacetyl, a known toxin, without the appropriate warnings in his juices shipped both domestically and internationally. That would sure be an interesting showdown, huh?

 

[banjo]

Jeez! Lets give the next 2 a chance to get a word in on this subject.

 

[Sdh]

OP posted this as an apparent joke! Everyone=anyone has the freedom to inhale what they want to. If one has to hide the fact related to their secret ingredients so be it. However, I know who I will buy my liquids from. Its a choice one can make. I cannot fanthom the concept of threats related to people wanting a product without this vile flavoring. *I suppose OSHA, CDC, and other numerous facts are tainted=huh?
Please with all do respect support your favorite supplier. That is your choice. Some folks do want to know what chemicals they are inhaling. In addition this should be respected. If one does not want to read about this=just click on another thread. Easy.

BTW. I do know what this thread is really about! People are not fools!

 

[trashguy]

could someone who is more familiar with the chemicals check this out , this is from the place i been buying my
juice from since i started vaping. http://www.esmoke.net/batch/090100/090100-GCMS.pdf

 

[banjo]

Hey thanks for the post and the attachment. I never realized that there were so many chemicals in some of our juice. I don't know what to make of it, but someone here should be able to give you a summary of what it all means. Was this document available on the web site where you purchased your juice?

 

[Sdh]

Hey trashguy
According to the pdf file-all the chemicals are labeled ND. I could and may be wrong on anaysis. Which means not detected. I would buy my e-juice from them. They have their lab reports for all to see. I would just google diacetyl and see the other aka names. I wish I could download some sites from my computer. Sounds like an honest supplier. I would use them.

 

[SimpleSins]

could someone who is more familiar with the chemicals check this out , this is from the place i been buying my
juice from since i started vaping. http://www.esmoke.net/batch/090100/090100-GCMS.pdf

Yes, Trashguy, Esmoke came up in the other thread on diacetyl, where one of our wise elders mentioned esmoke as the only vendor in the United States who is actually doing the lab tests that show safe, noncontaminated mixing of ingredients. That's not to say the others are contaminated; it is just that esmoke has gone above and beyond what any other vendor has done to ensure the integrity of their product and to have the ingredient information readily available for their customers in order to make as educated a choice as possible. That's not to say that all the ingredients are 100% safe, but the opportunity is there for you to investigate as much as you need to feel comfortable and to look for those that you know you want to avoid.

 

[banjo]

Hey trashguy
According to the pdf file-all the chemicals are labeled ND. I could and may be wrong on anaysis. Which means not detected. I would buy my e-juice from them. They have their lab reports for all to see. I would just google diacetyl and see the other aka names. I wish I could download some sites from my computer. Sounds like an honest supplier. I would use them.

Oh Great! Now you are going to use this thread to continue with your list making...........

 

[banjo]

Hey trashguy
According to the pdf file-all the chemicals are labeled ND. I could and may be wrong on anaysis. Which means not detected. I would buy my e-juice from them. They have their lab reports for all to see. I would just google diacetyl and see the other aka names. I wish I could download some sites from my computer. Sounds like an honest supplier. I would use them.

ND could also mean: Not Determined.

 

[Sdh]

Hey since this thread is a meeting group-I want to say "Hello" to simpleSins. You rock! This is SDh from Wisconsin! Live near Milwaukee! Close but not to close. BTW I am a nurse and see first hand what can happen to a compromized resp. system. See it all the time. It is why I switched to e-cigs. It was so cool this thread was opened to share/exchange informatin on diacetyl.

 

[Sdh]

ND could also mean: Not Determined.

It states on the bottom of pdf file not detected.

 

[banjo]

Thanks for catching that!

 

[Panini]

...those suppliers will know where to send their lawyers to find them.

This might be the funniest thing I've read on this topic so far!

 

[banjo]

Welcome Panini - 2 down 1 to go!

 

[Panini]

Welcome Panini - 2 down 1 to go!

Glad to be here, banjo

 

[banjo]

Glad to have you. We are just waiting on SeaBrook, then we came really get this thread going.

 

[trashguy]

yes the nd stands for not detected , it appears the only ingredients are the ones listed
on the bottom page of the pdf. i dont see diacetyl mentioned anywhere though.
just a side note iam not affiliated with them at all.they are the e cig brand
sold in a local mall kiosk that got me off analogs. ive since moved onto other
devices but use their juice almost exclusively due to their labeling
batch numbers and lab reports for every bottle.