The Anti-Smoker View on E-Cigs

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paise

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Bonnie: I can't go into too much detail because of a confidentiality clause signed when I worked as a medical transcriptionist for a major teaching hospital but I transcribed many reports over the years that verify exactly what you are saying here. There are many many many lung cancer patients who 1) never smoked and 2) were never around smokers so nobody can claim smoking or second-hand smoke as the cause of these patients dying from lung cancer and/or fighting to survive it were among the smoking class.

Like you, I am sick of being treated like a second-class citizen too.

My second husband has finally stopped sniping about my smoking in the house since using the e-cigs. He hated the analog cigarettes in the house. He swears up and down it caused the walls to discolor, which is a crock because they are the same color they were the day I painted them - a yellowish shade of linen to almost beige but he and I have spent many evenings and nights arguing over my smoking despite the fact he knew I smoked before we were dating, while we dated, when we married, and for the 20+ years we have been married.

I started smoking at around 12-13 years old and began drinking about the same time. I was a child of an abusive alcoholic who thought his children and wife were better at being his personal punching bags than a family. My mother was an enabler because she refused to leave him and stay away from him. I left home, married the wrong man who walked out when our child was 10 months old. I got pregnant on our first anniversary so we were married less than 2 years when he walked. I stopped smoking for two years for the pregnancy but the night he walked, I started smoking again and haven't stopped since; however, I do not drink except socially and even that is only a few times a year. Every now and again my second husband of 20+ years will drink a couple of glasses of wine with dinner or drink a couple of beers when the kids are with his mother or spending the night with a friend. I have a hydrotherapy spa in a wet room built onto the house to help combat joint disease resulting from the bones fractured and broken throughout my childhood, severe osteoporosis, and the effects of lupus (SLE) and Sjogren's disease. We spent some quality husband and wife wind-down time in the spa, drink a few beers, and listen to good music. We don't get the opportunity often or rather we didn't used to do anyhow. Our oldest (the 10-month-old from my first marriage is now my 2nd husband's daughter and has been since we got married) is now 21 years old, out on her own, and a college student less than a year from graduating with her undergraduate degree. Our little one is still at home though.

I hope the government leave our e-cigs alone. It's nice not to have to fight and argue constantly with my husband over my smoking especially now that I'm vaping and the vape doesn't smell like cigarette (analog) smoke. It's a quiet evening when he comes home and I don't hear his usual first words of the night as he walks in the door (I smell the smoke!) Ugh... It was all I could do not to knock those words back down his throat. Thankfully I gained better control of my temper after intense psychiatric therapy to deal with an alcoholic abusive father an enabling mother not to mention my own problem with alcohol, which was on the verge of making me an alcoholic too but I had not yet crossed that bridge. I was close but not there yet... I was lucky. ALCOA meetings helped too.

E-cigs have brought some harmony that was missing from my marriage for several years now back to me. I don't want to lose that to some bureaucrat with a hair up his .... and some personal agenda to use as a stepping stool to a better position in the government so he can make a name for himself/herself. I am not a child and the government isn't my parents. I believe I can make choices for myself without needing a guardian looking over my shoulders. Big brother needs to go back under some rock and stay there until such a time as WE THE PEOPLE call him out.

That's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary... Forgive my rant. I got started and just couldn't stop. It's the occupational hazard of a freelance writer. Since I can't work as an MT anymore thanks to damage to my ulnar nerve in my right arm, I freelance write articles and beta test products then write reviews, and I published my first novel a few years ago, it's hard to stop writing once I start.
 

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Until our society will learn to address the true diagnostic reality of the reality of addiction, we will remain in the same sub category as junkies and whinos. My Dr will not refer patients to the pv's, "not enough research" he says. Ok do you want the obituary page instead to read on the troilet? There is research done in Australia, UK and in Germany. All my research finds are non-hazardous substances vaporized into lungs. I want to be heard by the FDA and have written letters to senators, congressmen, world health organization and even our president. I am not a second class citizen because of my addiction.....are fat people who are addicted to cupcakes treated as second hand citizens? NO- we give them gastric bypass and if unisured and the cupcake eating causes them to be at risk of death, taxpayers pay for it. Need to calm myself-get riled up and heart races like it did when I smoked 2 packs a day, I now vape low- 2 carts a day:} Keep up the good fight!

Smokers may be considered outcasts, but we sure dump enough money into this sh*thole of a country that they still love us. You think those hypocritical .......s WANT us to quit? Hell no. And they spare no expense, right down to banning a safer alternative. Too much $$$ lost. I live for the day the US turns into a banana republic pwned by China because of it's self-rightious, arrogant, and hypicrotical attitude. And China does own a good chunk of our asses as it is already. That day is coming.

Can anybody give me a good recipe to beef terriyaki?
 
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BullyBoy

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Can anybody give me a good recipe to beef terriyaki?

Yep, and it's better than ....... I have independent testimony to back it up.

And yes, the govt doesn't want us to stop smoking. They love the tax revenue too much. If it was so evil, deadly, what have you, they'd ban it today.

It's all about $$$ and smokers everywhere are being manipulated.
 

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Bonnie: I can't go into too much detail because of a confidentiality clause signed when I worked as a medical transcriptionist for a major teaching hospital but I transcribed many reports over the years that verify exactly what you are saying here. There are many many many lung cancer patients who 1) never smoked and 2) were never around smokers so nobody can claim smoking or second-hand smoke as the cause of these patients dying from lung cancer and/or fighting to survive it were among the smoking class.

Like you, I am sick of being treated like a second-class citizen too.

My second husband has finally stopped sniping about my smoking in the house since using the e-cigs. He hated the analog cigarettes in the house. He swears up and down it caused the walls to discolor, which is a crock because they are the same color they were the day I painted them - a yellowish shade of linen to almost beige but he and I have spent many evenings and nights arguing over my smoking despite the fact he knew I smoked before we were dating, while we dated, when we married, and for the 20+ years we have been married.

I started smoking at around 12-13 years old and began drinking about the same time. I was a child of an abusive alcoholic who thought his children and wife were better at being his personal punching bags than a family. My mother was an enabler because she refused to leave him and stay away from him. I left home, married the wrong man who walked out when our child was 10 months old. I got pregnant on our first anniversary so we were married less than 2 years when he walked. I stopped smoking for two years for the pregnancy but the night he walked, I started smoking again and haven't stopped since; however, I do not drink except socially and even that is only a few times a year. Every now and again my second husband of 20+ years will drink a couple of glasses of wine with dinner or drink a couple of beers when the kids are with his mother or spending the night with a friend. I have a hydrotherapy spa in a wet room built onto the house to help combat joint disease resulting from the bones fractured and broken throughout my childhood, severe osteoporosis, and the effects of lupus (SLE) and Sjogren's disease. We spent some quality husband and wife wind-down time in the spa, drink a few beers, and listen to good music. We don't get the opportunity often or rather we didn't used to do anyhow. Our oldest (the 10-month-old from my first marriage is now my 2nd husband's daughter and has been since we got married) is now 21 years old, out on her own, and a college student less than a year from graduating with her undergraduate degree. Our little one is still at home though.

I hope the government leave our e-cigs alone. It's nice not to have to fight and argue constantly with my husband over my smoking especially now that I'm vaping and the vape doesn't smell like cigarette (analog) smoke. It's a quiet evening when he comes home and I don't hear his usual first words of the night as he walks in the door (I smell the smoke!) Ugh... It was all I could do not to knock those words back down his throat. Thankfully I gained better control of my temper after intense psychiatric therapy to deal with an alcoholic abusive father an enabling mother not to mention my own problem with alcohol, which was on the verge of making me an alcoholic too but I had not yet crossed that bridge. I was close but not there yet... I was lucky. ALCOA meetings helped too.

E-cigs have brought some harmony that was missing from my marriage for several years now back to me. I don't want to lose that to some bureaucrat with a hair up his .... and some personal agenda to use as a stepping stool to a better position in the government so he can make a name for himself/herself. I am not a child and the government isn't my parents. I believe I can make choices for myself without needing a guardian looking over my shoulders. Big brother needs to go back under some rock and stay there until such a time as WE THE PEOPLE call him out.

That's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary... Forgive my rant. I got started and just couldn't stop. It's the occupational hazard of a freelance writer. Since I can't work as an MT anymore thanks to damage to my ulnar nerve in my right arm, I freelance write articles and beta test products then write reviews, and I published my first novel a few years ago, it's hard to stop writing once I start.
You are a strong woman. Thanks for sharing your compelling story, one that should be repeated to one of these beaurocrats, maybe post it over at change.org
 

Lildeer223

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Hey I wanted to tell you that today I went to my cardiologist and told her that I have totally quit cigarettes using an ecig. I showed it to her, explained it to her and she said that she would have to "allow" anything that helps me quit cigarettes. She said that she has 'heard' of ecigs but does not know enough about them to recommend them as a substitute or cessation product but if it works for me then she wouldn't condemn the use. The worse she said was concerning the pg ingredient because although it is approved as an additive to food consumed it is not approved for inhalation. But, one ingredient unapproved for inhalation pales in comparison to the many carcinogens inhaled in each cigarette...I'll take my chances. She also said that since my last visit, a week before I started vaping, just 4 1/2 weeks ago, my lungs already sound clearer. If only we had more doctors who would, if not endorse, reluctantly agree that this is a better alternative. Talk with your doctors...maybe we can get some actual testing done.
 

dperino

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i think there may be another arena concerning the use of ecigs and juice that hasn't been considered. is it somewhat relevant? perhaps. the current scenario is that most personal vaping products come from china. due to this, we get into the hazy terrain of trade issues.

it use to be that our federal government got the bulk of its operating capital from tariffs on imported goods. of course this no longer applies, and one of the primary reasons is that tariffs are viewed as barriers to free trade. so, the supply side can't be touched, china is free and clear to manufacture and distribute their product throughout the world, but there's one major glitch: the health issue.

attaching the health issue to ecigarettes provides the ammunition to ban them from being allowed in this, and many other countries. it's the way that big pharma, tobacco and anti-smoking interests have to circumvent the issue of trade, and they're winning not only because of their resources but due to the bias that exists in science--not to mention elements of public perception-- concerning anything resembling tobacco products and the use of nicotine.

the ecig is a marked product in this country. it's going down in a relatively short period of time and no argument pertaining to free trade can stand up to those perpetuating the "health" myth; it's the ace in the hole, so to speak.

i hope someone reads this and replies, as i'd like to another take on the issue. thanks.
 
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