It's rare, maybe once a week or so .. after all these years, most if not all the ground has been covered at one time or another .. it gets boring and repetitive, IMO ..
The ANTZ have stooped to new lows
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It's rare, maybe once a week or so .. after all these years, most if not all the ground has been covered at one time or another .. it gets boring and repetitive, IMO ..
Not to Propagate a big Is it a "tobacco Product" or Not discussion. Because I think that Ship has Sailed. Just something to consider...
Is this item Statutorily defined as "tobacco Product"?
I Don't believe it is. I believe it is Statutorily defined as a Drug Delivery Device.
Because of the Intended Use. ie: Cessation of Smoking verses Recreational Use
We had to go down the Recreational Use route in Court back in 2009/2010. The Alternative was Unacceptable.
So from a Statutory standpoint, if the e-Liquids we use contain Nicotine which is Derived from Tobacco, then the e-liquid is a "Tobacco Product".
Like it or Not. That is what we Successfully Argued for in Court. And that is what we Got.
We had to go down the Recreational Use route in Court back in 2009/2010. The Alternative was Unacceptable.
That is because the alternative was that nicotine would be classified as a drug and folks that would be a disaster. We can afford to buy nicotine today because of this ruling. Had it been classified as a drug, none of us could have afforded to buy it. Plus it would not even be available except through prescriptions.
Having nicotine classified as a drug is also what the FDA is trying to push through the back door today, they are just not being very vocal about it. Just keep watching, it rears its ugly head every once in a while.
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IMO, endemic Narcissistic personality disorder.What blows my mind is the Juul challenge I heard in the video. Everything’s a challenge these days.
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Seems one hand doesn't know (or care) what the other is doing..
https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/11/02/feds-say-......-fentanyl-remain-biggest-drug-threat-us/
Yep... If we had Lost, and if the FDA had been able to get a Ruling that what we use are Drug Delivery Devices, I don't think Today there would be any Devices that had gone thru the Approval Process yet.
Like I said, I Don't see the Problem as the "Deeming". The Problem is lumping e-Cigarettes into an Outdated Regulatory Scheme where they Don't Belong.
It's like a Car and a Motorcycle.
Both are "Motorized Vehicles". But would it make sense to Require car drivers to were a Helmet? Or Motorcycle riders to wear a Seatbelts?
e-Cigarettes should have had there Own (Modern) FDA Regulatory Framework.
I don't think there are any. The PMTA and a drug application are very similar, presumably by design.
Officially they didn't get what they wanted (drug delivery device) but they made it so there is barely any difference now. To my knowledge there isn't a single approved PMTA for a vaping device or an e liquid.
The PMTA process Isn't designed to approve things. It is/was designed to Keep things out of the Market.
Because the prevailing thinking (or lack thereof) at the time is that we Don't Need any more "Tobacco Products" on the Market. What we Need is Less.
And maybe there was some Merit when Only Combustible Tobacco Products was considered. But e-Cigarettes was the Baby that got thrown out with the Bathwater.
Damn. Just damn.
I have a script, all legal for an opiod. The NP who allows me to keep that script open also ensures I'm not over using. My wife also ensures the same. Third, I ensure it as well by only taking one pill when my back pain gets severe. I am also doing yoga pretty regular to help keep myself limbered up and exercised. Yes, yoga gets my cardio going. It isn't merely "oh you're stretching" for me. Might seem it but there's more actual exercise going on than is obvious.
Got a full legal dose of morphine in the hospital a few years back, it was around 375 cc of morphine. I needed it then to help my body do a reboot and clear up diverticulitis. Loved the experience of completely not feeling a damn thing, it felt so good to have no pain. Could that steer me toward addiction? I'm not sure but could not say I would avoid addiction either and this is why such precaution is taken with the opiod I do use, now.
I think the FDA is still pushing the War on Appalachians. "Let's kill all those Hillbillies! We don't need them for nothing." A year or two passes and then everyone is upset that no work is being done. A dispatch is sent to WV and they return with a message. "All the Hillbillies are dead so we got no more folks to work." Cos' everybody knows we 'carry the can'. Would only seem that is what the FDA is attempting with approving something potent. I might be wrong but then how the hell else are we to look at it?
There’s lots of people who need opioids to be able to lead a halfway normal life, because despite what you hear right now in the media, it is absolutely possible to use opioid painkillers as a long term solution - most other painkillers are either almost useless if you’re seriously hurting, or they will cause serious organ damage within a relatively short time if you take them regularly on a high dosage. Also, if you do get addicted, there are drugs that can help you get off of them without the horrible withdrawal symptoms, so it’s not irreversible.
Let’s just hope that the result of this crisis won’t be that most doctors will be scared to prescribe opioids in the future.
Did not intend to imply there was not a valid use. I obviously have valid use of what I take. I am just aware though how quickly and easily an addiction can happen. I also see things with a bit of skewed lens at times as well. Do I know the FDA is indeed at war with the Appalachians? No, I do not. Do I maybe perceive that they could be? Yes, I do. It's a shame that folks even need to have an iota of doubt in regards to the government. That was where my point was reaching.
I'm not denying those facts. I used to work in the healthcare industry.
The problem is many people have an addictive personality (possibly a genetic trait) and become addicted unintentionally. I believe the last thing we need is another opioid that is 10 times more potent than the strongest pain killer available, Fentanyl. It's safe to say that once this reaches the market it will become the most deadliest opioid on the street. And the cycle continues.
Our government needs to change the classification of CMD, the non-psychoactive component of the herb that is illegal in most of the US. In those states in which it is legal as a medicine, it is showing great promise as an anti-inflamatory and analgesic for chronic pain and also in the treatment for opioid addiction. It is not addictive. But "nationally" it is still illegal. It will take an act of Congress to change its Class I narcotic classification.
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It's already gotten that way. Had a a-fib implant removed, asked for a single (1) Tylenol 3, to help sleeping.
Nope wouldn't prescribe one.
TRUTH ads cause me to smoke.
When I'm watching comercials on a dvd for upcoming movies and I'm digging on some pretzels and pop...then one of those stupid ads starts, I put down my pretzels and pop, go out to the car, light a cigarette, smoke it then come back inside all chilled and resume my snack-fest.
Otherwise I'd be throwing pretzels and pop at the tv and Mrs. States don't dig on me raging like that.
She don't like all the crumbs and stains on the floor (even though I clean it up). The dogs like it though. lol.
So I suppose my dogs like TRUTH ads.
When I'm watching comercials on a dvd for upcoming movies and I'm digging on some pretzels and pop...then one of those stupid ads starts, I put down my pretzels and pop, go out to the car, light a cigarette, smoke it then come back inside all chilled and resume my snack-fest.
Otherwise I'd be throwing pretzels and pop at the tv and Mrs. States don't dig on me raging like that.
She don't like all the crumbs and stains on the floor (even though I clean it up). The dogs like it though. lol.
So I suppose my dogs like TRUTH ads.
How much would it cost to mandate a professional agency to produce and run a number of pro-vaping ads? Since the word ‘truth’ can’t be copyrighted, we could also call them truth ads
. I would certainly be willing to donate for such a project, and I guess a lot of ecf subscribers would gladly contribute. The main ‘obstacle’ is that someone would have to step up and organize it all, but it would probably be doable.
I think vaping is slowly becoming more acceptable by the silent majority. The same people who pick the Hallmark channel over tv news shows each evening. (Ratings statistics show more watch that channel than news shows.) (Folks that don't believe fakebook, don't get hung up on tweets and don't even know what snap chat is.)
I study people in my walk of life. Watching how they react to ones haircut, wrist watch, overall appearance in general and judge the preverbial book by the cover. Lately I've been checking peoples reaction when I pull out a vape device.
When using a big ole battery box with a fish bowl tank that puts out a huge cloud the reaction is generally negative. They think it's some kind of MTV wanna-be deal for tattoo'd death squad looking folks.
Pull out a mini mod and again reactions are less than enthusiastic even though I toodle puff it. Again, they tend to think it causes popcorn lung or explodes.
But a small pod device tends to have a positive reaction. It's almost like they see nicorette gum or a nicotine patch and seem to be rooting for the user to stop smoking those dreadful cigarettes. Sometimes comments indicate the FDA should back off vaping so we can get away from cigarettes.
I've studied people ever since reading a story by Dr Joyce Brothers, who sent a friend in for a job interview dressed like a slob then the same guy with a nice haircut and better appearance who was hired on the spot. From then on I studied peoples reactions to me using certain visual cues to see if good or bad reactions would occur. And damifit doesn't work.
People do judge the book by the cover like it or not. And our favorite vape device may or may not get a negative reaction.
In closing, if one does choose to do a vape truth infomercial, the choice of device will likely go a long ways in the reaction by those the information is aimed at.
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It just occured to me that a local (and very popular) AM station has comercials that feature soldiers who stopped smoking by using Juul.
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I study people in my walk of life. Watching how they react to ones haircut, wrist watch, overall appearance in general and judge the preverbial book by the cover. Lately I've been checking peoples reaction when I pull out a vape device.
When using a big ole battery box with a fish bowl tank that puts out a huge cloud the reaction is generally negative. They think it's some kind of MTV wanna-be deal for tattoo'd death squad looking folks.
Pull out a mini mod and again reactions are less than enthusiastic even though I toodle puff it. Again, they tend to think it causes popcorn lung or explodes.
But a small pod device tends to have a positive reaction. It's almost like they see nicorette gum or a nicotine patch and seem to be rooting for the user to stop smoking those dreadful cigarettes. Sometimes comments indicate the FDA should back off vaping so we can get away from cigarettes.
I've studied people ever since reading a story by Dr Joyce Brothers, who sent a friend in for a job interview dressed like a slob then the same guy with a nice haircut and better appearance who was hired on the spot. From then on I studied peoples reactions to me using certain visual cues to see if good or bad reactions would occur. And damifit doesn't work.
People do judge the book by the cover like it or not. And our favorite vape device may or may not get a negative reaction.
In closing, if one does choose to do a vape truth infomercial, the choice of device will likely go a long ways in the reaction by those the information is aimed at.
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It just occured to me that a local (and very popular) AM station has comercials that feature soldiers who stopped smoking by using Juul.
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CASAA would be a likely candidate. Link in my sig below.How much would it cost to mandate a professional agency to produce and run a number of pro-vaping ads? Since the word ‘truth’ can’t be copyrighted, we could also call them truth ads
How much would it cost to mandate a professional agency to produce and run a number of pro-vaping ads? Since the word ‘truth’ can’t be copyrighted, we could also call them truth ads
I say that would be a very powerful purpose for this forum. Global social media campaign the truth about vaping and how to use vaping to quit smoking. With real people telling the actual truth of their experience and providing statistical facts. We would just have to agree on hashtags and use self created content maybe unified with a trailer or logo. Fight fire with fire...there is power in unified voices.
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