The Australian ban

[TropicalBob]

Australia banned e-cigs on Jan. 1 of this year, but I for one thought the ban was on sale and importation. Not so, apparently, as this new quote from an Australian in the social group subforum makes clear:

"An E cigarette is at present a regulated poison in Qld and is a breach of the H(D&P)R to obtain, possess, use, sell etc. An inspector under the Act/Regulation has the authority to investigate a person who may be in possession of an E cigarette and seize same. Legal proceedings may also be instituted."

This is first instance I can recall of a major country banning possession of an e-cig. A very bad omen for other countries considering or implementing bans. No possession. No use. A totally outlawed device.

Australians, chime in here about how things are going Down Under. We need to get this topic out of social groups and into areas read in the U.S., Canada and U.K.

 

[Nick O'Teen]

That is scary

 

[Caesarea]

Hi Tropical Bob! What are the Aussies doing to survive? Very interested to know how they are getting by.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Australia banned e-cigs on Jan. 1 of this year, but I for one thought the ban was on sale and importation. Not so, apparently, as this new quote from an Australian in the social group subforum makes clear:



This is first instance I can recall of a major country banning possession of an e-cig. A very bad omen for other countries considering or implementing bans. No possession. No use. A totally outlawed device.

Australians, chime in here about how things are going Down Under. We need to get this topic out of social groups and into areas read in the U.S., Canada and U.K.

This is very interesting and I definitely would like to hear more, but it does not affect Canada. Health Canada was very clear on their stance. They may have pushed the supply chain back a bit, but they are simply asking for their regulatory rights to nicotine, which they have by law. Nothing different than the US FDA seeking to have control over those suppliers who wish to make claims regarding health and quitting, as they have jurisdiction over such products.

And I might be wrong, so if someone can guide me properly, then please do so, but the UK has also allowed the e-cig to slip through poison regulations and as long as it is not marketed with health claims and has proper packaging it is good to go.

If anything, this would have more to do with Mexico and conundrum in the US. Personally though, I think the US will fall more in line with Canada and the UK than with Mexico and Australia (no offense to any of our members here in either country).

 

[Caesarea]

I'd still like to know how they are managing.

 

[TropicalBob]

We have quite a few Aussie members and I'm hoping they will let us know how they're coping.

 

[OutWest]

wow. Just wow. They've pretty much put e-cig users in the same class as pot smokers. *shaking head*

 

[LaceyUnderall]

wow. Just wow. They've pretty much put e-cig users in the same class as pot smokers. *shaking head*

and pot smokers in the same category as ....... users. *shaking head*

 

[Happy Jack]

and alcohol abusers in the same category as... as... what did you say about pot smokers, again? *shaking head*

 

[lachesis]

It's a sad status down there. really sad...

 

[Tone]

I'd still like to know how they are managing.

If I were in AUS I dont think I would tip my hand as to how I were getting supplies

 

[Nick O'Teen]

If I were in AUS I dont think I would tip my hand as to how I were getting supplies

I can certainly understand that!

But a bit of feedback about the impact would be interesting. Not that I imagine there was much high profile vaping going on before, but it would be interesting to know how people are taking it. And if there have been any articles in the Oz press in the run-up to the ban (and its aftermath.)

 

[Caesarea]

If I were in AUS I dont think I would tip my hand as to how I were getting supplies

No, no details wanted! 8-o

In the most general of terms though, is it survivable?


I'd hope to find support and workarounds, if such a famine came about.
No way could I go back to analogs. No way.

 

[gizmo]

Life goes on as usual,customs will not check everything coming in,its just not possible,to date I haven't heard of any personal supplies being seized by customs.

 

[Di]

I think most of usare carrying on same as before.........

I have heard nothing about siezures.......

I know several who have ordered and received from overseas....

As I understand it,
the ban is on
NICOTINE LIQUID
NOT ON HARDWARE

I personally have got several orders of hardware in the last 2 months, both have been -
opened and examined by customs,
passed as ok, nothing illegal found, nothing removed.

some here have ordered and received liquid without any problems also, the rule here is small .........

my experience to share with you,,,,,,

Di .......

 

[Guvernor]

From the aussie forums I havent seen any reports of siezure (liquid or otherwise)

edit: also LOTS of reports of "got mine today" etc etc.. /edit

My stuff is getting through customs just fine.
I'm considering selling PV's on the sly (purely by word of mouth among friends and aquantainces) They're even more unheard of here than in other countries but everyone I've talked to about them (esp. smokers) have been very interested.

Considering that the "toxic" or "carcinogenic" properties of nic-juice are at the same levels as NRT and that PG is the same stuff that I inhaled through my ventolin nebulizer during childhood asthma, I'm fairly sure I could develop a small customer base of people who want their nicotine without the extra cancer.

- Guv

 

[doots]

Id move to the UK or US. That stinks.

 

[Barbi355]

mmm, gotta be carefull here, but all seems swell. I think its the first time a product has had more of a political buzz before actually taking off to the public. Noone around here knows what they are by the looks of things. Everytime i take mine out i find myself doing the 'Salesman rant' to fellow smokers. Give em a puff or two, and they're sold. It is scary how the government is attacking this though- maybe there is a bigger conspiracy behind tobacca than we thought eh? There doesnt seem to be many, if any, reports in the papers, news.com.au, etc about them, but there is a fair whack of GOV bad hype.
So far im surviving fine, things are coming through, and EVERYONE who has seem me with it has been 'WOW, what IS that?' publicans and bouncers alike. actually, a few of the publicans with resturants attached are very keen on the devices themselves. we're in the technology age, we should be EMBRACING this kind of thing...
Ah well cant have the govt missing out on there $$$$ ey. how much is it, $6billion from smokers per year?

 

[breno]

Australia banned e-cigs on Jan. 1 of this year, but I for one thought the ban was on sale and importation. Not so, apparently, as this new quote from an Australian in the social group subforum makes clear:



This is first instance I can recall of a major country banning possession of an e-cig. A very bad omen for other countries considering or implementing bans. No possession. No use. A totally outlawed device.

Australians, chime in here about how things are going Down Under. We need to get this topic out of social groups and into areas read in the U.S., Canada and U.K.

What's Qld?
"An E cigarette is at present a regulated poison in Qld and is a breach.."

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Queensland