Illinois and Wisconsin have the x Feet from doorway law as well. All federal buildings have a 25 foot law.
The big public vape debate and an honest, polite way to conduct yourself.
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Illinois and Wisconsin have the x Feet from doorway law as well. All federal buildings have a 25 foot law.
I consider myself a pretty damn polite vaper. I DID, however, find myself in an awkward situation the other day at one of my favorite local bars...
I was vaping away in one corner of the room with some friends and they are all smokers, so they really didn't care about the vapor. I have vaped here before with no problems. Suddenly a bouncer approaches me and calmly explains that I can't use the vape inside. I politely ask why. (This is the infuriating part) He told me that some people do not know what an ecig is, and therefore think that it's okay to smoke inside, and apparently some idiots tried to smoke some nails INSIDE the bar based on the assumption that I was doing it so it was okay. >_<"
I told the bouncer that I would stop and I did, no big deal. I am worried, though, because I don't intend to stop vaping at this location until I get told by management, not a bouncer... I think I will have to switch it to stealth mode when I am here in the future.
My question is: What is a good way to convince someone that I should be allowed to continue vaping (when they know that it's not 'real' smoke), but other people, over whom I have no control, are messing up by making silly assumptions and breaking laws??
Has anything like this happened to anyone else?
I was vaping away in one corner of the room with some friends and they are all smokers, so they really didn't care about the vapor. I have vaped here before with no problems. Suddenly a bouncer approaches me and calmly explains that I can't use the vape inside. I politely ask why. (This is the infuriating part) He told me that some people do not know what an ecig is, and therefore think that it's okay to smoke inside, and apparently some idiots tried to smoke some nails INSIDE the bar based on the assumption that I was doing it so it was okay. >_<"
I told the bouncer that I would stop and I did, no big deal. I am worried, though, because I don't intend to stop vaping at this location until I get told by management, not a bouncer... I think I will have to switch it to stealth mode when I am here in the future.
My question is: What is a good way to convince someone that I should be allowed to continue vaping (when they know that it's not 'real' smoke), but other people, over whom I have no control, are messing up by making silly assumptions and breaking laws??
Has anything like this happened to anyone else?
Just be cool about it. If they ask you to stop, step outside for a few mins and just puff away. No real reason to argue with someone in their place of work, you know? Keep it cool. And if you're running a variable voltage piece, drop the voltage down lower so you're not ripping huge puffs of vape around the people in the restaurant/store/coffee shop, wherever. If you get a chance, do talk to the owner! And if someone is uncomfortable with it, try and explain to them what exactly it is and it's not really harmful. If they're still not cool with it, I'd just put it away and not cause a scene. No need to get decked by a bouncer over an ecig
I dont understandy why everyone makes a stink about this.. Respect private establishment requetsts and don't vape in their store/restraunt / bar. Or if you do take a quick hit in the bathroom or under your jacket or something.
Public perception is that vaping is in comparison to smoking:
You can't say 100% what is being exhaled because very few studies have been done.
It Looks like smoke.
If I see a no smoking sign.. I don't openly vape.. only stealth. Edit: or not at all
If you want to vape in a no-smoking place.. ask questions first. open vape later
It's my opinion that forceful vaping is leading ppl to think vapers are asses.
Public perception is that vaping is in comparison to smoking:
You can't say 100% what is being exhaled because very few studies have been done.
It Looks like smoke.
If I see a no smoking sign.. I don't openly vape.. only stealth. Edit: or not at all
If you want to vape in a no-smoking place.. ask questions first. open vape later
It's my opinion that forceful vaping is leading ppl to think vapers are asses.
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At least the guy was honest about the reason. But I gotta tell you, I am getting pretty tired of hearing that reason. Having your liberties curtailed because of the ignorance of others is an insult. I've never liked it and I never will.
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In VA you can open carry a rifle into a convience store.. Sure it's your right.. Doesn't make a it a good idea.
Lets spell it out a different way:
It's my neighbors right to drive by my house at 3am with his straight pipes (Legal in my state) on his harly doign the speed limit.
He can turn off the main street, and go through is 2-3 gears all the way through the RPM range to his first turn then do the same to get to his house making sure everyone knows he's coming home.
But he's polite and courteous and once he's off the main road he Idles home because he knows that ppl are sleeping
This isn't about "rights" and "Liberties" it's about being courteous and polite and not being an ....
When you forceably vape in public without asking if it's okay.. you're the guy with the motorcycle going through the gears at 3am.
I think I'm the polite vaper. I prefer to vape indoors but I'll go outside and vape with the smokers. And why would I do this? I want people to ask me questions about what that thing I'm smoking is. I'm like one of only two people in my town who vape as far as I know. When I order e-cigs take the business cards the companies I order from send me and put them in my wallet so when people ask questions and seem interested after getting an answer I have business cards to hand out to them so they know where they can get a PV. I seriously wish though I just had time to print off some pamphlets that breaks down everything a vape noob needs to know because I remember being a noob and it sucked I was scared and confused everyone was throwing around numbers like 510 and 808 and 18650 and words like ego threading, mod, APV, PV, tank, variable voltage, dripping, steeping, etc. Frankly I had no idea what the hell everyone was talking about and because of that whole holy crap so much lingo and so many options I got a bit system shocked by how complicated e-cigs seemed compared to just pulling out a Camel and setting it on fire. It almost scared me away from vaping but I was determined to get myself off cigs and cold turkey or stepping down slowly just never worked. Nicotine Gun made me feel like I was swallowing skoal spit, and patches were bloody expensive. Vaping seemed to be my only choice so I stuck with it, but not everyone is gonna stick with it. People have to overcome being shy about putting a "robot penis" in their mouth yea I know nobody likes that term but that's how a lot of us likely felt about it when we start vaping in public for the first time. So Yea I'm polite I try to show off my e-cig so people can see it, know what it looks like, know how it works, and hopefully get interested in it enough to want one of their own.
Very interesting to think about and very true. I work as a tutor at a college and a couple days ago I was helping a student in the learning center (read busy room with students and faculty everywhere) when the student breaks out his PV and starts blowing clouds. I'm a vaper too but I was slightly mortified, I don't want my PV to be banned on campus all together because of this type of behavior.
I no longer call it "common sense" do to the fact it isn't common any more. I now refer to it as "Instinctual Knowledge" because obviously it has been genetically passed down and only to a chosen few.
I vape in public following these 2 rules, which have kept me incident free and not one negative experience yet.
1- if you vape somewhere and smoking is not allowed you are instantly going to throw up a huge look at what I can do flag, and upset people who do not know what you are doing and instantly be single out as the one person making clouds in an otherwise clear room. This just makes you look tacky and most people who don't smoke will become upset about this. Also perception is what your first reaction is based off of and to the family across the restaurant from you with 4 little ones will only see a cloud of "smoke" and not your nifty little device. So they automatically assume that is what you are doing.
2- I vape openly when outside or in a place that allows it, however some people do not like the smell of certain flavors, to include my wife and to be honest a few of the flavors my father in law uses are offensive to me( I got him off analogs after it worked for me). So as to not inconvenience my wife or anyone around me you have to be observant of your surroundings, even though I vape I would not vape directly around my daughter or anyone else's children, because even though it is "safe", I don't want anything that is in my control to ever effect my daughter(or anyone else's kids) and I certainly don't want her to pick up my bad habits. Yes vaping is safer, however I am vaping as an alternative to a nasty old habit of mine and not for any other reason.
So that is pretty much my 2 step program to avoid people getting upset over my vaping in public, do I agree with people perceptions, NO but I cannot change people's minds if the first time they are exposed to it, it is in an offensive manner. Just my opinion about vaping in public. Love it or hate it, it works for me.
1- if you vape somewhere and smoking is not allowed you are instantly going to throw up a huge look at what I can do flag, and upset people who do not know what you are doing and instantly be single out as the one person making clouds in an otherwise clear room. This just makes you look tacky and most people who don't smoke will become upset about this. Also perception is what your first reaction is based off of and to the family across the restaurant from you with 4 little ones will only see a cloud of "smoke" and not your nifty little device. So they automatically assume that is what you are doing.
2- I vape openly when outside or in a place that allows it, however some people do not like the smell of certain flavors, to include my wife and to be honest a few of the flavors my father in law uses are offensive to me( I got him off analogs after it worked for me). So as to not inconvenience my wife or anyone around me you have to be observant of your surroundings, even though I vape I would not vape directly around my daughter or anyone else's children, because even though it is "safe", I don't want anything that is in my control to ever effect my daughter(or anyone else's kids) and I certainly don't want her to pick up my bad habits. Yes vaping is safer, however I am vaping as an alternative to a nasty old habit of mine and not for any other reason.
So that is pretty much my 2 step program to avoid people getting upset over my vaping in public, do I agree with people perceptions, NO but I cannot change people's minds if the first time they are exposed to it, it is in an offensive manner. Just my opinion about vaping in public. Love it or hate it, it works for me.
Sounds like a plan.
My program is only one step: When I vape in public, I don't act like a .... about it.
It is only found in the uberman right? Lol, but more seriously I have been telling my friend we need to make a comic for "Common Sense Man" because so few people have it, might as well be a super power.
But onto the topic of this tread. Vaping in public almost always gains attention, I have had a few misguided people that confronted me with a hostile nature but if your like me and live in america it ends up one of two ways they allow you to explain what it is, and then bombard you with other questions (please don't be short with these people they most likely know someone who smokes). The other type of person is the one that does not care what you say they just want to anger you. Don't feed into just walk away. I have vaped just about everywhere but in a restaurant, I think most of the time the space us too small not to be rude. The other thing I found to watch for, at the door of the establishment it may say smoke free environment, however sometimes it says a nicotine free environment this means no vaping. One of the places I use to work switched all there signs and policy just because of e-cigs. I just shows you that they don't care if you smoke or vape they just don't want you to enjoy yourself. But on a less cynical note most people are cool especially bartenders most are just interested so don't be a type three vaper and ruin it for everyone else.
i've learned to deal with no smoking zones --offices, restaurants, bars, etc. so i don't vape where it's normally not allowed to smoke. it's that simple. i started vaping for health reasons, not to get my nicotine fix anywhere and everywhere.
my right to vape ends where someone's right to clean air starts. too many people here use the "rights" argument only to justify their rude behavior. i can legally fart in a crowded elevator if i wanted to, but i don't.
my right to vape ends where someone's right to clean air starts. too many people here use the "rights" argument only to justify their rude behavior. i can legally fart in a crowded elevator if i wanted to, but i don't.
I will fall under the polite and stealth categories. I was always the furthest one from the door when I smoked. When I was with my friends, I would step back a few feet and stand downwind of them. I'm waiting on juice to start vaping, but when I do, I'll probably stick with the stealth method when in public. I don't like confrontation...
Shoot! I might ride an elevator once a year...and you can take bets that I am gonna have all the fun I can in one!
Shoot! I might ride an elevator once a year...and you can take bets that I am gonna have all the fun I can in one!
I have fallen under 1,2, and 4. It depends on the place and circumstance. Category 3 is not relevant to me because of my personality. I might vape openly, but would never be aggressive and confrontational. On the other hand, I WILL defend myself against unfair attacks by trying to educate the uninformed in a polite manner.
If you limit yourself to vaping to only areas where smoking is permitted ...
you signal to others vaping is the same as smoking.
Smoking bans are being enacted all over the place ... in some areas of the country
smoking is banned in your own homes as well as e-smoking.
Doesn't make any difference to me if you only vape with smokers
HOWEVER ...
Smoking bans DO NOT apply to ME
I vape "Everywhere" ...
That doesn't mean I always blow huge vapor clouds
you signal to others vaping is the same as smoking.
Smoking bans are being enacted all over the place ... in some areas of the country
smoking is banned in your own homes as well as e-smoking.
Doesn't make any difference to me if you only vape with smokers
HOWEVER ...
Smoking bans DO NOT apply to ME
I vape "Everywhere" ...
That doesn't mean I always blow huge vapor clouds
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