The cloud chasing fad

[dmetzcher]

I'd also like to make clear that just because I think that cloud-chasing is silly, I am not attacking those who do it. I'm free to hold an opinion, and they are free to go on doing whatever makes them happy. ... And I can understand the cloud-chasers here being upset about being attacked -- but not everyone who finds it silly is attacking you, and we don't appreciate being attacked for our opinions anymore than you like being attacked for cloud-chasing.

I'd like to say that my previous comments were in no way directed at you. At no point in this thread have you once attacked cloud chasers, mocked them, or been disrespectful in any way. It's fine to think something is silly. I think lots of things are silly, and I choose to have nothing to do with those activities. My problem with some others (in several comments) is that they seem to prefer to disrespect those they do not understand. There's a huge difference between your respectful view of not being into cloud chasing (for whatever reason) and the often disrespectful tone we've seen here.

 

[mecjac]

http://imgur.com/91sn32Q

I don't cloud chase but this came to mind.

 

[AndriaD]

I'd like to say that my previous comments were in no way directed at you. At no point in this thread have you once attacked cloud chasers, mocked them, or been disrespectful in any way. It's fine to think something is silly. I think lots of things are silly, and I choose to have nothing to do with those activities. My problem with some others (in several comments) is that they seem to prefer to disrespect those they do not understand. There's a huge difference between your respectful view of not being into cloud chasing (for whatever reason) and the often disrespectful tone we've seen here.

Very true, and I really don't understand the insulting ones either. There are a lot of things I don't do, because I find it silly -- watching football is a great example! -- but there are a lot of people who truly love the sport, and watch it at every opportunity -- my husband and son being prime examples. I don't share their appreciation, but I would really be irked at anyone who genuinely attacked them for it.

But I definitely urge that anyone who's going to vape using massive amperage know what they're doing, and use the proper materials and tools to do it safely -- I really wouldn't want to see anyone do themselves horrible damage just by pursuing a hobby; for their own sakes, and for the sake of all vapers, who have a great deal to lose if Big Nanny goes on a "for your own good" rampage against cloud-chasers, not realizing what a small percentage of vapers they are. We would ALL suffer from that.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Very true, and I really don't understand the insulting ones either. There are a lot of things I don't do, because I find it silly -- watching football is a great example! -- but there are a lot of people who truly love the sport, and watch it at every opportunity -- my husband and son being prime examples. I don't share their appreciation, but I would really be irked at anyone who genuinely attacked them for it.

Great example...


There are very few things on this earth more important to me than a Chargers game.
And that includes my wedding anniversary, which often conflicts with said Charger games.

I am considering taking off work Monday because I will be a basket case all day leading up to the 7:20pm Monday Night opener.
But I am also considering taking off work Tuesday, because I'm going to get quite drunk watching the game.

Maybe I'll just take off both days, don't know yet.

If we lose, I'm going to be depressed for days.
So maybe I should take a few days off, just in case.

Is this silly?

My wife certainly thinks so.
But she's a Redskins fan, so what does she know?

 

[B1sh0p]

Ok; I'm completely fine with all that. But I still reserve the right to THINK whatever I like, and as I'm not attacking cloud-chasers for what they DO, I expect to not be attacked for what I THINK.

Andria

Well, that's find but I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

 

[Zealous]

Well, that's find but I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

It has nothing to do with your post. It is a reiteration of her post, which you quoted & responded to.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Seems to me, it's fairly uncommon for cloud chasers to attack and belittle non cloud chasers. Furthermore, why do vapers who prefer a sub ohm build in an RDA automatically get lumped in with cloud chasers? I really enjoy an rda built at .4 or so from time to time but I'm not a cloud chaser....and I don't need a dirty diaper or dish towel. The whole thing is just a childish display of intolerance.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Kudos to JakeBailey, Beckdg and V00D00! Great points one and all. But, consider the source. The same poster uses a provari, yet he can't even post in a provari thread without making us cringe. The snobbery and elitism run far deeper than with just sub ohming. Sometimes the blanket is just permanently wet.

Wow. I just thought of something. Cloud chasing is the best thing to happen to Provari since I started vaping! Stick with me here... Not so long ago, every mention of Provari was met with a million " oh, a PRO-var-eeeee. Well good for you!" type responses. I've never seen a device so irrationally attacked just by it's pure existence. But now, well now the game has changed. Chances are, if you use a Provari, you aren't cloud chasing with it. So you might be snobby. elitist, it's the answer to everything Provari owner, but at LEAST you aren't a damn cloud chaser!

 

[MN_Mike]

There's a time and a place for everything. You want to blow big clouds, by all means go for it, just be considerate of other people.

 

[Asbestos4004]

There's a time and a place for everything. You want to blow big clouds, by all means go for it, just be considerate of other people.

I have yet to see anyone argue this point, and I have yet to see anyone blow clouds at innocent bystanders or at inappropriate locations. This leads me to ask, why do people keep making this point? The point should be Vape where you want, but be considerate of other people. What, ego users don't have to be considerate? Lil Stevie with his diamond encrusted ProVari doesn't have to be considerate? Gimme a break.

 

[FStopFive]

" oh, a PRO-var-eeeee. Well good for you!"

Personally I could care less what people do as long as they're not making a bad name for the rest of us. If people want to blow bubbles with a mechanical mod at .2 (which is actually kind of cool) I'm not bothered by that in the least.

I hope at some point I have enough free time that I can look for things about how other people vape that I can arbitrarily choose to dislike... </sarcasm>

 

[Ryedan]

I'd also like to make clear that just because I think that cloud-chasing is silly, I am not attacking those who do it. I'm free to hold an opinion, and they are free to go on doing whatever makes them happy. I was disappointed that ONE store which is my favorite was one day clouded with fog, because there are other stores in this area that cater a great deal more to the cloud-blowing crowd, while this one in particular is more of a newbie, starter-kit setup kind of store, which is why I prefer it -- I may have several "big honking" mods and even a mech, but I still consider myself a newbie, and I like to go to this particular store to taste new stuff, and clouds of oddly-scented fog make that very difficult. But what it means is that if I go in and see this, then I won't do any tasting that day; it's not far from me, so I can always go some other time.

And I can understand the cloud-chasers here being upset about being attacked -- but not everyone who finds it silly is attacking you, and we don't appreciate being attacked for our opinions anymore than you like being attacked for cloud-chasing.

Andria

I agree Andria. It's human nature for people to think they are better than others and probably from that comes the inclination for people to judge others and find them lacking. It simply reinforces the first person's view that they are better than the other person. Add some insecurity into the mix and things can and do get ugly.

IMO cloud chasing is not a fad and it's not going anywhere, any time soon. It could help vaping or it could bite us, time will tell. No-one knows the outcome right now and I have no problem with that. It's not that I like uncertainty, but cloud chasing is certainly not the only thing we do that could bite us down the road and if we stopped anything that had some uncertainty to it we would probably have to stop vaping. Some people prefer cigalikes and those people may end up being the lucky ones who are minimally affected by restrictions on vaping. They may well be the ones who will become the future of vaping and continue to drive vaping forward for everyone. I have no problem with that either.

I do have a problem when people judge and put the other guy down because the other guy is 'doing it wrong'. In-fighting amongst ourselves is counterproductive and helps our enemies because of the division it causes among us. Saying cloud chasing is dangerous is incorrect and gives ANTZ another weapon to use against us if they feel like it. People who vape in a dangerous manner should be helped as much as possible, but dangerous can be done with a eGo, a mech mod or a regulated mod, it's certainly not limited to cloud chasing nor is all cloud chasing dangerous. People like vape towel boy are obviously unsafe. I've commented on a number of his videos and reported them.

Vape on (everyone)

 

[Ryedan]

Seems to me, it's fairly uncommon for cloud chasers to attack and belittle non cloud chasers. Furthermore, why do vapers who prefer a sub ohm build in an RDA automatically get lumped in with cloud chasers? I really enjoy an rda built at .4 or so from time to time but I'm not a cloud chaser....and I don't need a dirty diaper or dish towel. The whole thing is just a childish display of intolerance.

But I wouldn't call it childish. It goes deeper than that and I think I covered my opinion about it in my last post.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

I agree Andria. It's human nature for people to think they are better than others and probably from that comes the inclination for people to judge others and find them lacking. It simply reinforces the first person's view that they are better than the other person. Add some insecurity into the mix and things can and do get ugly.

IMO cloud chasing is not a fad and it's not going anywhere, any time soon. It could help vaping or it could bite us, time will tell. No-one knows the outcome right now and I have no problem with that. It's not that I like uncertainty, but cloud chasing is certainly not the only thing we do that could bite us down the road and if we stopped anything that had some uncertainty to it we would probably have to stop vaping. Some people prefer cigalikes and those people may end up being the lucky ones who are minimally affected by restrictions on vaping. They may well be the ones who will become the future of vaping and continue to drive vaping forward for everyone. I have no problem with that either.

I do have a problem when people judge and put the other guy down because the other guy is 'doing it wrong'. In-fighting amongst ourselves is counterproductive and helps our enemies because of the division it causes among us. Saying cloud chasing is dangerous is incorrect and gives ANTZ another weapon to use against us if they feel like it. People who vape in a dangerous manner should be helped as much as possible, but dangerous can be done with a eGo, a mech mod or a regulated mod, it's certainly not limited to cloud chasing nor is all cloud chasing dangerous. People like vape towel boy are obviously unsafe. I've commented on a number of his videos and reported them.

Vape on (everyone)

Posting, ... You're doing it wrong.

 

[MN_Mike]

I have yet to see anyone argue this point, and I have yet to see anyone blow clouds at innocent bystanders or at inappropriate locations. This leads me to ask, why do people keep making this point? The point should be Vape where you want, but be considerate of other people. What, ego users don't have to be considerate? Lil Stevie with his diamond encrusted ProVari doesn't have to be considerate? Gimme a break.

I don't think you should be able to vape wherever you want to. I'm sorry, but when I go out to eat and I see someone vaping in the restaurant, I get annoyed with it. When I'm enjoying my meal, I don't want to be around smoke or vapor or anything like either. I was eating breakfast a couple weekends back and saw someone blowing vapor all over the place. It seriously irritated me. I went outside when I was finished eating and had a few puffs. People actually said "thanks for taking that outside." There are people, myself included, who really don't want to be around it all the time. It's helped me quit smoking, which is the important thing, but I don't feel I have the privilege to do it anywhere I want because it's not smoking.

 

[funkfist]

Eh I always ask if I can vape in places and I only take like 2 second pulls. I'm not running a cloud chasing build so it's minimal. ANYWAYS sometimes it's fun to chase dem clouds. I couldn't run a build like that all the time though it's annoying. I usually stay around .7. Cloud blowing indoors is beyond stupid I've never seen anything but disgust from the people not pushing the vape out. This one punk kid didn't even ask if he could vape inside Mc Donalds....it was a small lobby, not very many people but it was foggy inside. The manager told him to stop, he said no he can vape anywhere he wanted to. Caused a big scene and was forcibly removed from the joint. That makes any of us look bad.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I don't think you should be able to vape wherever you want to. I'm sorry, but when I go out to eat and I see someone vaping in the restaurant, I get annoyed with it. When I'm enjoying my meal, I don't want to be around smoke or vapor or anything like either. I was eating breakfast a couple weekends back and saw someone blowing vapor all over the place. It seriously irritated me. I went outside when I was finished eating and had a few puffs. People actually said "thanks for taking that outside." There are people, myself included, who really don't want to be around it all the time. It's helped me quit smoking, which is the important thing, but I don't feel I have the privilege to do it anywhere I want because it's not smoking.

Thank you for reiterating my point for me. I don't consider vaping in a crowded restaurant considerate to other people. But, it sounds like these folks were just "vaping" right? It doesn't sound like the offenders were dripping onto there super sub ohm rigs and ripping a bunch of huge clouds in there. Had that been the case, seems you might have mentioned it. I see offensive regular vapers all the time...
Like you, I prefer to step outside of an establishment to have a vape. Probably a kayfun mini on an ego twist or a kayfun on a ProVari. Not cloud chasing.

 

[ukeman]

This is the largest vaping forum on the internet and it has become the cloud chasing forum...

That brought a smile to my face... after I picked my jaw up from the floor.
Anyone who has been around here long enough (pre sub ohms in this case) knows better.

Up to about a year ago, any talk of sub ohms (and I'm talking above .5 ohms) was invariably met with 1. safety concerns, 2. some accusations of being lacking in brain cells, and I actually joined another forum just to get more discussion of sub ohms...

I came back because ECF is the largest, most comprehensive, well structured vape forum there is imo.

Around 2010 or so, we had a shift in what LR, SR, and HR stood for: from approx. 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 down to 1.5 to 2.0 ohms for LR and correspondingly down for the others. Then came RBA's (genesis) and I think the first below 1 ohm coils were being used.

It took me a good year to get the hang of "rebuilding" geni's and sub ohms, meanwhile RDA's hit and its only recently (in the last couple of years) that the popularity of sub ohms has become accepted here.

But "the cloud chasing forum" its not.

Cloud chasing may be a fad in its extremes but imo if a cloud is big on flavor, I'm in.
I actually prefer single coil, with the air source under the coil, at anywhere from .4 to .8 ohms and I get pretty good sized clouds.
As far as flavor goes, I think there's a point of diminishing returns the more cloudy things get (dual coil, dual big air holes, .2 ohms) ymmv.

 

[AndriaD]

Thank you for reiterating my point for me. I don't consider vaping in a crowded restaurant considerate to other people. But, it sounds like these folks were just "vaping" right? It doesn't sound like the offenders were dripping onto there super sub ohm rigs and ripping a bunch of huge clouds in there. Had that been the case, seems you might have mentioned it. I see offensive regular vapers all the time...
Like you, I prefer to step outside of an establishment to have a vape. Probably a kayfun mini on an ego twist or a kayfun on a ProVari. Not cloud chasing.

As much as I always rant 'vaping is NOT smoking' I also agree with this. I can vape after dinner, at home, when my husband is still eating, and it doesn't bother him a bit -- but that's one person, with very-high-PG vapor; if you take a crowded place of ANY variety -- restaurant, mall, wherever -- and even 1/10th of those present are vaping, there's going to be a fog, and it's bound to annoy somebody, maybe even some of the vapers. In a restaurant, ANY non-food smells are an EXTREME annoyance -- not only should the wait-staff not perfume themselves, I really wish the patrons would keep it in mind too, that taking a bath in perfume before going out to dinner is a REALLY BAD idea. For a bar, I think courtesy and consideration of others should be the guide -- if you ask the bartender and those around you if they mind, and they say no, go ahead, then it's fine -- if someone does mind, then just moving to a different area might be the best course, mainly because it's so difficult to change anyone's mind, and especially those who may have a snootful of booze -- you can't teach a drunk anything, they're SURE they know everything.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Cloud chasing may be a fad in its extremes but imo if a cloud is big on flavor, I'm in.
I actually prefer single coil, with the air source under the coil, at anywhere from .4 to .8 ohms and I get pretty good sized clouds.
As far as flavor goes, I think there's a point of diminishing returns the more cloudy things get (dual coil, dual big air holes, .2 ohms) ymmv.

I guess this is the main reason that it seems silly to me; I was under the impression that big clouds meant high-VG, so it seems there wouldn't be much flavor. However now that I'm starting the DIY thing, I realize that some VG is necessary if you want any vapor at all; the mixes I've made that come out to 90% PG, there's so little vapor that there really isn't a lot of taste, even though PG is supposed to carry flavor better. So I'm going more toward 75PG/25VG, so there is *some* vapor, and a much better flavor. I can see that those with normal lungs, who can vape 50/50 or even more VG without issues, probably would prefer a thicker vapor, just for flavor. I just don't get exchanging flavor for massive vapor; *that* is really what seems silly.

Andria